More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken

[Fantine]

We are not 36 trillion dollars in debt because of some few tax cuts by 1 president.

And needless endless wars based on lies about WMD's.
Subsidies to big oil and other companies.
But to get back to the tax cuts.
Our government was in a lot of debt in 2017. Should an entity in debt give away trillions it doesn't have---or pay down the debt.
By now we know that money didn't trickle down to us...nor did it trickle back into the treasury.
As Pres. Clinton, a leader with federal budget surpluses to his credit, would say, "It's arithmetic."

 

[A2SG]

The whole trans propaganda is part of woke culture. To be blunt. It’s putting feelings above reality.

And many people were pretty vocal about their objections to it. Far as I can tell, no one wasn't allowed to disagree or express their views against whatever this "woke culture" is.

Note: you are, in fact, doing it right now!

-- A2SG, and I don't see anyone saying you're not allowed to do that....

 

[KCfromNC]

As long as you and others continue to make wild accusations and misrepresentations

Can't help but notice the post couldn't actually manage to list a specific example of this happening in my post. Must have been an oversight.

 

[KCfromNC]

I wish that was the case. I dont know if anyone claimed it was GONE. I think wokeness is ending. It's on its way out. But it's so ingrained in many that it's not easy to root it out. It will take work and continual assessment to get rid on completely. It will dearer below the surface and if it's not continually addressed it can come back. I want to see actual legislation in place to stop as much as possible.

Maybe we need a war on it, like the super-successful republican War on (some) Drugs.

 

[KCfromNC]

Keep it up. This kind of nonsensical rhetoric is precisely why Democrats are in trouble.

One could imagine a series of posts like this which can't actually identify which rhetoric is nonsensical or why it might be so is of the "if you can't do either, pound on the table" type of response.

 

[KCfromNC]

Yes, what people apparently want these days are the newer, right-leaning flavors of fear mongering about transgender people and cat-eating Haitians.

Don't forget abandoned promises about lower egg prices.

 

[KCfromNC]

We are not 36 trillion dollars in debt because of some few tax cuts by 1 president.

No, it is obviously because of a $22.5 billion dollar aid agency. The math wouldn't lie.

/s, sad I have to include it.

 

[KCfromNC]

And needless endless wars based on lies about WMD's.
Subsidies to big oil and other companies.
But to get back to the tax cuts.
Our government was in a lot of debt in 2017. Should an entity in debt give away trillions it doesn't have---or pay down the debt.

Don't forget bailouts to Americans hurt by Trump's tariffs.

 

[Hazelelponi]

No, it is obviously because of a $22.5 billion dollar aid agency. The math wouldn't lie.

/s, sad I have to include it.

Look it's not one thing, it's everything.

We've somehow managed to decide money grows on trees all the way around, and it began Jan 20, 2009 I'm fairly certain...

That was when we lost the plot fiscally as a nation and it never stopped. We just bloated government larger and larger and spent more than any nation in the history of mankind... All of it to our detriment and all self inflicted.

We just need to get back to responsible government, use AI in limited form where applicable within government systems to cut costs by reducing personnel and then see what we can do about healthcare. It's a huge expense that we can ill afford honestly, so we have to decide what we can do.

Mandatory spending is as big if not bigger a problem than discretionary spending so we will see what DOGE can do mainly.

I am really hopeful here for a non partisan coalition in the House who feels up to the task of cutting spending in perhaps more creative and helpful ways.

But shrink government we must.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Look it's not one thing, it's everything.

We've somehow managed to decide money grows on trees all the way around, and it began Jan 20, 2009 I'm fairly certain...

That was when we lost the plot fiscally as a nation and it never stopped.

lol, of course it started when a Democrat president took over in the middle of a recession and not before that with the financial crisis that triggered the recession or before that with several years of badly-prosecuted wars, one of which was predicated on falsehoods and wholly unnecessary.

As you can see from this chart, we've been running deficits pretty consistently since the end of WW2.

Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product

Graph and download economic data for Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product (FYFSGDA188S) from 1929 to 2024 about budget, federal, GDP, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

The only president who presided over a change in that direction of more than a couple years was Clinton.

 

[Hazelelponi]

lol, of course it started when a Democrat president took over in the middle of a recession and not before that with the financial crisis that triggered the recession or before that with several years of badly-prosecuted wars, one of which was predicated on falsehoods and wholly unnecessary.

As you can see from this chart, we've been running deficits pretty consistently since the end of WW2.

Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product

Graph and download economic data for Federal Surplus or Deficit [-] as Percent of Gross Domestic Product (FYFSGDA188S) from 1929 to 2024 about budget, federal, GDP, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

The only president who presided over a change in that direction of more than a couple years was Clinton.

Until the bailout we weren't completely in the weeds.

I don't think the bailout should have ever ever happened, and neither should the Iraq war... But it did and here we are and yes I blame the Democrats because they actually did it - you can blame whoever you wish, Obama's economic policies are our death unless we can fix this mess and that's the truth.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The 20-30% that approve of the current DNC will never gain a majority if they hold onto the platform that drove them down to 20-30%.

Anyone watch the clown show that ended in a new DNC chairman? Oh, my goodness!

 

[iluvatar5150]

Until the bailout we weren't completely in the weeds.

The bailout bill was signed in 2008 and the TARP program ultimately garnered $15 billion in profit.

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It wasn't the bailout that ran up the deficit. It was the recession (and its resulting lack of tax revenues).

I don't think the bailout should have ever ever happened, and neither should the Iraq war... But it did and here we are and yes I blame the Democrats

You blame the Dems for a war started by W and a bipartisan bill signed into law by W?

because they actually did it

or... perhaps... because you're remembering your history through a skewed partisan filter.

- you can blame whoever you wish, Obama's economic policies are our death unless we can fix this mess and that's the truth.

What about "Obama's economic policies" are we experiencing that "are our death"?

 

[Hazelelponi]

You blame the Dems for a war started by W and a bipartisan bill signed into law by W?

The war didn't cause the crash and it didn't kick off the biggest spending spree in all of world history.

It was a misguided war where people were listening to the wrong intelligence, some intentionally, some not - just misled.

We spent more than we should have but it was in no way the catalyst to said spending extravaganza and the new mindset called we own the printing presses.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The war didn't cause the crash

That's correct. The war was separate.

and it didn't kick off the biggest spending spree in all of world history.

It was a misguided war where people were listening to the wrong intelligence, some intentionally, some not - just misled.

We spent more than we should have but it was in no way the catalyst to said spending extravaganza and the new mindset called we own the printing presses.

You're just wrong. Current estimates for the total cost of the Iraq war are around $1.8-3 Trillion, depending on how exactly you're defining "costs" and how far out you project things like veteran care. Call it roughly $2 trillion to date on a total US federal debt of $36.2 trillion. That means that the Iraq war alone comprises 5.5% of our national debt.

TARP, on the other hand, was $700 billion and, again, made money. Whether or not you thought TARP should've happened, it didn't add anything to the debt.

 

[RileyG]

And many people were pretty vocal about their objections to it. Far as I can tell, no one wasn't allowed to disagree or express their views against whatever this "woke culture" is.

Note: you are, in fact, doing it right now!

-- A2SG, and I don't see anyone saying you're not allowed to do that....

I guess woke culture is very related to liberal social issues? I dunno

 

[rjs330]

Yes, what people apparently want these days are the newer, right-leaning flavors of fear mongering about transgender people and cat-eating Haitians.

I dont think we've claimed that the end of democracy is because of transfender people nor car-eating Haitians.

It was disgust and not fear over the cats which turned out to be a big nothing of information given by people who were there.

No one is scared of transgender people. Don't be silly.

The density sure arw scared though with all the end of democracy talk.

 

[RileyG]

The 20-30% that approve of the current DNC will never gain a majority if they hold onto the platform that drove them down to 20-30%.

Anyone watch the clown show that ended in a new DNC chairman? Oh, my goodness!

How embarrassing!

 

[RileyG]

I don't worry. Once Trump is done screwing up the country. Americans will praying for relief. Unless their news station keeps lying.

He’s getting the job done and is doing everything he promised. He’s working hard. Odd that’s considered “screwing up the country.”

 

[rjs330]

The purpose of US Aid is more than charity.
Many countries helped are terrorist breeding grounds when famines, water shortages, and poverty increase. USAid bolsters democracy by compassionate support.
USAid works with HIV, an epidemic that will explode without treatment. Other illnesses and epidemics can also threaten our own population, and we no longer have the science-based expertise that fought ignorance and quack remedies during COVID.

And yet with all the tax money we have spent over the years they are still "are terrorist breeding grounds when famines, water shortages, and poverty increase."

Our tax money should be spent here in America, taking care of Americans. It should not be going to corrupt countries who steal from their people and take our money.

We need to get control of where our money is going and what it's going for and make sure it's doing what it's supposed to be doing. It's not our job to take care of the world.

Can you imagine what we could do with those dollars at home?