Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

According to your theology, 'why' did God need or decide to create the Universe with age embedded into it?

Some things work better old.

Like aged cheese has advantages over fresh cheese.

And some things won't work, unless it's old.

Like the sun.

Is there a verse or passage of Scripture that describes 'why' He did this?

Not that I know of.

This verse says He made the earth old ...

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

... but it doesn't say why.

I would think why is obvious.

 

[AV1611VET]

What's the difference?

Apparent age can fool someone.

Here's a picture of Jim Parsons:

He was actually 34 years old when The Big Bang Theory started.

 

[River Jordan]

Apparent age can fool someone.

Here's a picture of Jim Parsons:

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He was actually 34 years old when The Big Bang Theory started.

You're being evasive again. Not a good look for Christians to act that way.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're being evasive again. Not a good look for Christians to act that way.

Let me make this plain as day.

Apparent age deals with looks.

Something can look younger than it is, it can look its age, or it can look older than it is.

Embedded age is the actual, physical age, irrespective of how it looks.

Can God make a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age?

I say He can.

What say you?

 

[BCP1928]

Let me make this plain as day.

Apparent age deals with looks.

Something can look younger than it is, it can look its age, or it can look older than it is.

Embedded age is the actual, physical age, irrespective of how it looks.

Can God make a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age?

I say He can.

What say you?

I say so what?

 

[AV1611VET]

I say so what?

So I'm not being evasive.

If that dress only had apparent age, it wouldn't fall apart.

If that dress had embedded age, it would fall apart.

 

[River Jordan]

Let me make this plain as day.

Apparent age deals with looks.

Something can look younger than it is, it can look its age, or it can look older than it is.

Embedded age is the actual, physical age, irrespective of how it looks.

Can God make a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age?

I say He can.

What say you?

You're still avoiding my point.

If God creates a tree with 50 rings in it a dendrochronologist would say the tree is 50 years old. Did God create that tree with embedded age?

Also there's no reason to ask if God can do things. God can do anything. The question is what God did do.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're still avoiding my point.

What else is old.

Rather than trying to see my point, you're bringing up scenarios to try and critique something you're not familiar with.

If God creates a tree with 50 rings in it a dendrochronologist would say the tree is 50 years old.

Okay, the tree is 50 years old.

It is 50 years old physically, 0 years old existentially.

Re the dendrochronologist, if he counts 50 tree rings, he counts 50 tree rings.

That doesn't mean that tree grew one over a period of 50 years.

And before you go claiming "Last Thursdayism" or "Omphalos," I say those tree rings serve a purpose other than being there just to be counted.

IN MY OPINION, none of the trees in existence at the end of the Creation Week had any tree rings; unless they were detrimental to the tree's age.

But I wouldn't know.

I wasn't there.

Did God create that tree with embedded age?

Yes.

Also there's no reason to ask if God can do things.

I'm only doing it to try and get you to see my point of view.

You know -- the one you're trying to critique, without even understanding it first?

 

[River Jordan]

Okay, the tree is 50 years old.

It is 50 years old physically, 0 years old existentially.

Re the dendrochronologist, if he counts 50 tree rings, he counts 50 tree rings.

That doesn't mean that tree grew one over a period of 50 years.

What you seem to be describing is something like "embedded appearance of age". God created the tree with the appearance of age (50 rings) embedded into it, even though the tree is actually only 0 days old.

And before you go claiming "Last Thursdayism" or "Omphalos," I say those tree rings serve a purpose other than being there just to be counted.

IN MY OPINION, none of the trees in existence at the end of the Creation Week had any tree rings; unless they were detrimental to the tree's age.

But I wouldn't know.

I wasn't there.

I hope you appreciate just how unique (and unscriptural) your beliefs are.

Yes.

Then it has embedded appearance of age.

I'm only doing it to try and get you to see my point of view.

You know -- the one you're trying to critique, without even understanding it first?

It's unique, I'll give you that.

 

[AV1611VET]

What you seem to be describing is something like "embedded appearance of age".

Congratulations.

You have now confused yourself beyond the ability to backtrack and understand.

Just ask Warden.

He still says I say God embedded history into His creation, when I have repeatedly said otherwise.

I define embedded age as "maturity without history."

God created the tree with the appearance of age (50 rings) embedded into it, even though the tree is actually only 0 days old.

Happens every time.

Science creates mental blocks that smart people just can't get around.

I hope you appreciate just how unique (and unscriptural) your beliefs are.

And what is my belief?

You call it "unscriptural," despite the fact that I posted a verse of Scripture back in Post 2686.

I knew this was going to happen, when you started trying to pwn my belief with your academics.

Then it has embedded appearance of age.

Okay, chief.

You're the expert.

It's unique, I'll give you that.

That's about all you can say for it, isn't it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You're being evasive again. Not a good look for Christians to act that way.

Well, this is where an understanding a person's denomination of affiliation goes some ways in understanding their hermeneutical and exegetical methodology.

 

[River Jordan]

Congratulations.

You have now confused yourself beyond the ability to backtrack and understand.

Just ask Warden.

He still says I say God embedded history into His creation, when I have repeatedly said otherwise.

I define embedded age as "maturity without history."

I understand you don't believe God embedded history into the tree. You believe God embedded the appearance of history in the tree by creating it with 50 rings (even if He did it for practical reasons).

Since tree rings are something we use to estimate age, that makes "embedded appearance of age" pretty accurate.

And what is my belief?

See above.

You call it "unscriptural," despite the fact that I posted a verse of Scripture back in Post 2686.

There is nothing in scripture about tree rings, or God creating trees with rings already in them.

That's about all you can say for it, isn't it?

It's just a fact. These beliefs of yours are very, very unique.

 

[River Jordan]

Well, this is where an understanding a person's denomination of affiliation goes some ways in understanding their hermeneutical and exegetical methodology.

I was speaking to the behavior, not the beliefs or interpretations.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I was speaking to the behavior, not the beliefs or interpretations.

But some of the behavior comes from the beliefs and interpretations and sense of identification with said denomination.

I don't have that identification, but some Christians do.

 

[AV1611VET]

I understand you don't believe God embedded history into the tree. You believe God embedded the appearance of history in the tree by creating it with 50 rings (even if He did it for practical reasons).

Since tree rings are something we use to estimate age, that makes "embedded appearance of age" pretty accurate.


See above.


There is nothing in scripture about tree rings, or God creating trees with rings already in them.


It's just a fact. These beliefs of yours are very, very unique.

Anything else I can't help you with?

 

[River Jordan]

But some of the behavior comes from the beliefs and interpretations and sense of identification with said denomination.

I don't have that identification, but some Christians do.

Very true. Unfortunately I've seen Christians justify all kinds of behaviors via particular interpretations of scripture.

 

[dlamberth]

Just ask Warden.

He still says I say God embedded history into His creation, when I have repeatedly said otherwise.

I define embedded age as "maturity without history."

You forgot me. I also say that history had to be embedded in the whole thing. That comes from looking at things like geological activity and past history of events like the Yellowstone Hot Spot. That history that we see as well as a lot of other geological events are literately burned into the Earth.

 

[River Jordan]

Anything else I can't help you with?

Do we agree there's nothing in scripture about tree rings?

 

[River Jordan]

You forgot me. I also say that history had to be embedded in the whole thing. That comes from looking at things like geological activity and past history of events like the Yellowstone Hot Spot. That history that we see as well as a lot of other geological events are literately burned into the Earth.

As I understand it, he's saying God created all that with the appearance of a history but that history never actually occurred. That's why I think "embedded appearance of age" is an appropriate term.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Very true. Unfortunately I've seen Christians justify all kinds of behaviors via particular interpretations of scripture.

Yes, that seems to be a thing. Unfortunately.