Historic Catholic Church Given to the Orthodox

[Michie]

In some ways, this is already ‘old news.’ The agreement was made last year to give away the ancient church at Smyrna, the first Greek Orthodox liturgy was celebrated months ago, and the church was inaugurated over a week ago. But these stories are often intentionally forgotten, being inconvenient for the narrative that Pope Francis is a perfectly ‘orthodox’ or even ‘conservative‘ Pontiff.

It is easy to brush aside the important divisionswe have with the Orthodox, especially since their liturgies are often much more ‘reverent’ than the average Novus Ordo. However, as we show in the attached video, the Catholic Church had the Eastern schismatics in mind when it made its condemnations, declaring that even martyrdom could not save a schismatic. Similarly, it is easy for those desperately acting as Pope Francis-apologists to claim that he upholds the necessity of Christ for all, yet little attention is given to the behavior of the post-conciliar Church and its relations with non-Catholic communities. One could write hundreds of pages of treatises, articles, and defenses asserting that the documents of Vatican II are completely orthodox and did not effect any substantial changes to Catholic doctrine.

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In some ways, this is already 'old news.' The agreement was made last year to give away the ancient church at Smyrna, the first Greek Orthodox liturgy was celebrated months ago, and the church was inaugurated over a week ago. But these stories are often intentionally forgotten, being...

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[RileyG]

Hmmmm….not sure how I feel about this.

 

[chevyontheriver]

In some ways, this is already ‘old news.’ The agreement was made last year to give away the ancient church at Smyrna, the first Greek Orthodox liturgy was celebrated months ago, and the church was inaugurated over a week ago. But these stories are often intentionally forgotten, being inconvenient for the narrative that Pope Francis is a perfectly ‘orthodox’ or even ‘conservative‘ Pontiff.

It is easy to brush aside the important divisionswe have with the Orthodox, especially since their liturgies are often much more ‘reverent’ than the average Novus Ordo. However, as we show in the attached video, the Catholic Church had the Eastern schismatics in mind when it made its condemnations, declaring that even martyrdom could not save a schismatic. Similarly, it is easy for those desperately acting as Pope Francis-apologists to claim that he upholds the necessity of Christfor all, yet little attention is given to the behavior of the post-conciliar Church and its relations with non-Catholic communities. One could write hundreds of pages of treatises, articles, and defenses asserting that the documents of Vatican II are completely orthodox and did not effect any substantial changes to Catholic doctrine.

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Historic Catholic Church Given to the Orthodox - Catholic Family News

In some ways, this is already 'old news.' The agreement was made last year to give away the ancient church at Smyrna, the first Greek Orthodox liturgy was celebrated months ago, and the church was inaugurated over a week ago. But these stories are often intentionally forgotten, being...

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Not sure what the point is here.

 

[Michie]

I think he is implying that we gave a Church to heretics which I completely disagree with.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I think he is implying that we have a Church to heretics which I completely disagree with.

Some Orthodox might enjoy calling us Catholics ‘heretics’ but we should never be returning the favor. The Orthodox are our rather stubborn brothers and sisters in Christ. We should be cooperating with them if they let us.

As to what the article was trying to say about pope Francis, that wasn’t clear either. He’s a very confusing fellow.

 

[Bob Crowley]

It was difficult to find numbers of Orthodox and Catholics in Smyrna, which is in modern day Turkey. Turkey is Moslem, with official figures saying that 99% of the population is Moslem. About .2% are other religions, including Christianity.

I was a bit surprised there was a Catholic Church in the first place considering its history and location.

My guess is that the great majority of local Christians are Orthodox, and they would have more need of a church than the Catholics.

Without knowing much of hte historical background it's hard to form an accurate opinion, but I think a gesture of reconciliation would be far more important than a perpetual bunfight over church ownership in area where Christians are a very small part of the population.

I can't help thinknig the article was just one more attempt to bludgeon Pope Francis, and anything will do.

 

[RileyG]

It was difficult to find numbers of Orthodox and Catholics in Smyrna, which is in modern day Turkey. Turkey is Moslem, with official figures saying that 99% of the population is Moslem. About .2% are other religions, including Christianity.

I was a bit surprised there was a Catholic Church in the first place considering its history and location.

My guess is that the great majority of local Christians are Orthodox, and they would have more need of a church than the Catholics.

Without knowing much of hte historical background it's hard to form an accurate opinion, but I think a gesture of reconciliation would be far more important than a perpetual bunfight over church ownership in area where Christians are a very small part of the population.

I can't help thinknig the article was just one more attempt to bludgeon Pope Francis, and anything will do.

I wonder if most Turkish Catholics are part of the Eastern Rite, rather than Latin? I would guess so. And they would be a very small minority.

 

[WarriorAngel]

It was difficult to find numbers of Orthodox and Catholics in Smyrna, which is in modern day Turkey. Turkey is Moslem, with official figures saying that 99% of the population is Moslem. About .2% are other religions, including Christianity.

I was a bit surprised there was a Catholic Church in the first place considering its history and location.

My guess is that the great majority of local Christians are Orthodox, and they would have more need of a church than the Catholics.

Without knowing much of hte historical background it's hard to form an accurate opinion, but I think a gesture of reconciliation would be far more important than a perpetual bunfight over church ownership in area where Christians are a very small part of the population.

I can't help thinknig the article was just one more attempt to bludgeon Pope Francis, and anything will do.

Turkey used to be Constantinople

 

[Bob Crowley]

Turkey used to be Constantinople

Actually I think Istanbul used to be Constantinople. They're cities, not states.

Before it became Constantinople it was called Byzantium. The modern name of Istanbul was only adopted in the late 1920's and 1930 by the Ataturk government.

It is quite a recent development.

History of Istanbul - Wikipedia

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The city's current name İstanbul is a shortened version with a Turkish character of the Medieval Greek phrase "εἰς τὴν Πόλιν" [is tin ˈpolin], meaning "to the city", which had long been in vernacular use by the local population. The international name Constantinople also remained in use until Turkey adopted the Latin alphabet in 1928 and urged other countries to use the city's Turkish name in their languages and their postal service networks.[citation needed] In 1929 Lloyd's agents were informed that telegrams now must be addressed to "Istanbul" or "Stamboul", but The Times stated that mail could still be delivered to "Constantinople".[48] However, The New York Times stated that year that mail to "Constantinople" may no longer be delivered.[49] In 1929 Turkish Nationalists advocated for the usage of Istanbul in English instead of Constantinople.[50] The U.S. State Department began using "Istanbul" in May 1930.[51]

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The Catholic church building in the nearby town was given to an orthodox religion.

The parish was merged into a larger parish not far from it and the building had to be either
sold off or torn down. I believe the orthodox, not sure which one, came in and now its an
orthodox church,

Oh and the Catholic school which was part of that parish was sold to a protestant church, and one
half is now operated as a diner by that religion. Not sure if its tax free, which to me would be
unfair to the other restaurants which have to pay taxes.

 

[RileyG]

The Catholic church building in the nearby town was given to an orthodox religion.

The parish was merged into a larger parish not far from it and the building had to be either
sold off or torn down. I believe the orthodox, not sure which one, came in and now its an
orthodox church,

Oh and the Catholic school which was part of that parish was sold to a protestant church, and one
half is now operated as a diner by that religion. Not sure if its tax free, which to me would be
unfair to the other restaurants which have to pay taxes.

Ah, that’s too bad. Praying for an increase in vocations and an increase of devotion of the faithful.

 

[RileyG]

Actually I think Istanbul used to be Constantinople. They're cities, not states.

Before it became Constantinople it was called Byzantium. The modern name of Istanbul was only adopted in the late 1920's and 1930 by the Ataturk government.

It is quite a recent development.

History of Istanbul - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for the info!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Ah, that’s too bad. Praying for an increase in vocations and an increase of devotion of the faithful.

It had to do with the lack of attendance. The parish it merged with has a school and they're doing fine.

 

[RileyG]

It had to do with the lack of attendance. The parish it merged with has a school and they're doing fine.

That’s good to know!

 

[JSRG]

Actually I think Istanbul used to be Constantinople. They're cities, not states.

Before it became Constantinople it was called Byzantium. The modern name of Istanbul was only adopted in the late 1920's and 1930 by the Ataturk government.

It is quite a recent development.

History of Istanbul - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sorry, I have to post it:

 

[Gnarwhal]

Hmmmm….not sure how I feel about this.

Yeah I'm not a fan at all.

 

[WarriorAngel]

The Catholic church building in the nearby town was given to an orthodox religion.

The parish was merged into a larger parish not far from it and the building had to be either
sold off or torn down. I believe the orthodox, not sure which one, came in and now its an
orthodox church,

Oh and the Catholic school which was part of that parish was sold to a protestant church, and one
half is now operated as a diner by that religion. Not sure if its tax free, which to me would be
unfair to the other restaurants which have to pay taxes.

Constantinople Bishop was the 1st of the schism.
So the first schismatic it stands to reason the majority is EO

 

[WarriorAngel]

Yes, Constantinople is in modern-day Turkey and is now known as Istanbul. The city was renamed in 1930.

Explanation

• The city was originally called Byzantium, a Greek colony, and was settled in the 7th century B.C.
  
  
• In 330 C.E., Emperor Constantine the Great renamed the city “New Rome” and made it the capital of the Roman Empire.
  
  
• The city was the capital of the Byzantine Empire, the Latin Empire, and the Ottoman Empire.
  
  
• The Ottomans conquered the city in 1453 after a 55-day siege.
  
  
• • The city was officially renamed Istanbul in 1930.
    

Importance

• • Constantinople was a major port city due to its location between Europe and Asia.
    
  • It was the largest and wealthiest city in Europe from the mid-5th century to the early 13th century.
    
  • The city is famous for its architecture, including Hagia Sophia, the Galata Tower, and the Hippodrome.
    
  • Istanbul is the largest city and financial center of Turkey.

 

[RileyG]

Yeah I'm not a fan at all.

I’d rather the Orthodox submit to the Bishop of Rome, but that won’t happen in my lifetime

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I’d rather the Orthodox submit to the Bishop of Rome, but that won’t happen in my lifetime

Not with Popes like Francis. He's consistently cited as the reason people leave right now.