Trump EO eliminates Birthright Citizenship; 18 states and civil rights organizations sue to stop implementation, pointing to the 14th Amendment

[Always in His Presence]

Actions are illegal. People are children of God.

And people who commit illegal actions are called criminals.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And...?

You said ( from what I gathered that everyone had a problem with it now and I said that the problem was not new and that some people have had a problem with birthright citizenship for years or decades.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And people who commit illegal actions are called criminals.

Now, how that criminal should be treated depends on the crime not all crimes or criminals are equal. Which is why I and others support some type of path to citizenship for those whose only crime is being here, and why there are a number of programs for certain non violent criminals focused on addressing the issue that led to their crime.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The position that illegals are "not subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States is an interesting take for a group of people who want to fight crime. If they're "not subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, you can't arrest them for crimes; you can only expel them.

 

[Say it aint so]

He may as well wrote an EO demanding Mexico pay for the wall.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The position that illegals are "not subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States is an interesting take for a group of people who want to fight crime. If they're "not subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, you can't arrest them for crimes; you can only expel them.

And that is EXACLTY what they should do - no courts - no long process - just ship them home.

 

[iluvatar5150]

And that is EXACLTY what they should do - no courts - no long process - just ship them home.

So, somebody is here illegally, commits a violent crime like murder or rape, and all you want to do is put them on a bus to go home?

 

[essentialsaltes]

And that is EXACLTY what they should do - no courts - no long process - just ship them home.

Once again, two words -- "No person" -- are very important. This time in the Fifth Amendment with regard to who can be deprived of due process and other legal protections.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And that is EXACLTY what they should do - no courts - no long process - just ship them home.

Except that people are entitled to due proccess in this country. I could see someone shoot you dead for no reason know it was for no reason, but you STILL have the right to fight it in court and yes win if the police did not dot their Is and cross their TS.

 

[rstrats]

Actions are illegal. People are children of God.

If they are would He cast His children into the lake of fire to be tortured 24/7 for eternity?

 

[Bradskii]

And people who commit illegal actions are called criminals.

You do know who signed the executive order..?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Actually as the 14th amendment precudes that pretty sure that such an EO would not be enforceable.

And this is how you enforce the unenforceability of this illegal order

 

[Always in His Presence]

You do know who signed the executive order..?

Wait! Let me guess!

The person who outperformed the very best Candidate the Democratic Party had - winning the Popular Vote - The Electoral College - every Swing State - the highest percentage of minority votes for a Republican in 40 years.

That guy?

 

[ozso]

Having kids become US citizens is one of the main reasons why people enter the US illegally. The idea is to put an end to that incentive.

 

[Nithavela]

If you want to remove an amendement, there is a process for that.

 

[Bradskii]

Wait! Let me guess!

The person who outperformed the very best Candidate the Democratic Party had - winning the Popular Vote - The Electoral College - every Swing State - the highest percentage of minority votes for a Republican in 40 years.

That guy?

Yep. He's the one. And I guess that you think that by noting that that guy won the election to become the man who now represents your country to the world it becomes some kind of positive. I suppose that's the alternative reality we now live in. 'Not only is he a criminal, but goshdarn, he's our president as well!'

You know that it's been suggested by Tr*mp (I've disguised his name for privacy reasons) that convicted criminals who have then been found to have sexually assaulted American women should be deported. What's your personal view on that?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Except that people are entitled to due proccess in this country. I could see someone shoot you dead for no reason know it was for no reason, but you STILL have the right to fight it in court and yes win if the police did not dot their Is and cross their TS.

Right - and when a person is ILLEGALLY in the US - what is the penalty?

 

[ozso]

If you want to remove an amendement, there is a process for that.

It's not a matter of ending it. It's a matter of it shouldn't apply to those who are in the US illegally.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Right - and when a person is ILLEGALLY in the US - what is the penalty?

It depends if you just deport them for serious crimes all that does is basically give them no penalty either. On the other hand, if a person is only here illegally and that is their only crime that does not mean that they are a bad peson and in many cases they want to do well and help soceity.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's not a matter of ending it. It's a matter of it shouldn't apply to those who are in the US illegally.

The amendment was set up to apply to anyone born here, so until it is editted that is what we are working with, and thus it cannot be changed without a process.