Nearly Half of Federal Employees in the Swamp Plan to Resist Trump, Poll Finds

[Vambram]

A surprising number of federal government employees admit they are gearing up to act like a deep state, opposing the incoming second administration of Donald Trump.

Most Americans, even many of the elites who voted for Vice President Kamala Harris, are willing to support Trump’s administration, according to an RMG Research survey commissioned by the Napolitan Institute. Yet 42% of federal government managers who work in the Washington, D.C., swamp intend to work against the administration.
Federal Government Managers, however, proved evenly split, with only 44% saying they would support the administration and 42% saying they would resist it.

DEEP STATE GEARING UP: Nearly Half of Federal Employees in the Swamp Plan to Resist Trump, Poll Finds

A groundbreaking survey from RMG Research finds that bureaucrats in the federal government plan to act like a deep state opposing Trump.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[Zaha Torte]

A surprising number of federal government employees admit they are gearing up to act like a deep state, opposing the incoming second administration of Donald Trump.

Most Americans, even many of the elites who voted for Vice President Kamala Harris, are willing to support Trump’s administration, according to an RMG Research survey commissioned by the Napolitan Institute. Yet 42% of federal government managers who work in the Washington, D.C., swamp intend to work against the administration.
Federal Government Managers, however, proved evenly split, with only 44% saying they would support the administration and 42% saying they would resist it.

DEEP STATE GEARING UP: Nearly Half of Federal Employees in the Swamp Plan to Resist Trump, Poll Finds

A groundbreaking survey from RMG Research finds that bureaucrats in the federal government plan to act like a deep state opposing Trump.

www.dailysignal.com

It's crazy. He should have a lot of layoffs his first day.

 

[Vambram]

3 Republican Senators Respond to Poll Showing Nearly Half of DC Federal Bureaucrats Aim to Oppose Trump

Republican senators raised the alarm after a poll revealed a large portion of the federal bureaucracy aims to oppose President Trump.

www.dailysignal.com

Republican senators highlighted a growing deep state opposition to President-elect Donald Trump, citing a revealing new poll on the federal bureaucracy and urging Trump to be vigilant as he enters office next week.

The poll, which the firm RMG Research conducted on behalf of the Napolitan Institute and released Monday, revealed that 42% of what the survey calls “federal government managers”—federal employees who live in the National Capitol Region around Washington and earn at least $75,000 annually—plan to politically oppose the incoming administration.

Nearly two-thirds (64%) of the federal government managers who voted for Vice President Kamala Harris in November said they would ignore a lawful order from Trump if they considered it to be bad policy. Only 17% of the Harris voters in the federal bureaucracy said they would follow Trump’s order.

“Bureaucracy is the real threat to democracy,” Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, told The Daily Signal in an emailed statement Wednesday. Ernst leads the Senate DOGE Caucus, an effort to help the DOGE, or Department of Government Efficiency, a nongovernmental panel led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and aimed at rooting out waste and abuse in the federal government. Conservatives often warn that insulating federal bureaucrats from Congress and the president weaken the voters’ ability to have a say in their government.

“The bureaucrat class has forgotten that their job is to serve the American people, and I am happy to help remind them,” Ernst added. “As the Senate DOGE Caucus Chair, I am rooting out the rot in Washington. Federal employees are paid by taxpayers to work for taxpayers. They can either do their job or find another.”

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, noted other efforts bureaucrats are taking to tie the incoming president’s hands.

“Entrenched bureaucrats are already subverting President Trump’s agenda and working to box in the incoming administration and Republican Congress, including and especially on foreign policy,” Cruz told The Daily Signal. “President Trump and administration officials are going to have to focus immediately on ensuring such bureaucrats are fired.”

Sen. Katie Britt, R-Ala., condemned the deep state effort as “shameful” and endorsed some policies to combat it.

“This polling data is shameful—civil servants must serve our nation, not their political party,” she told The Daily Signal. “The administrative state is a huge problem that demands serious reforms.”

 

[Fantine]

The headline gives "The Daily Signal" away as fake news.

"Deep State" is a euphemism promoting the fantasy of a corrupt beauacracy (although over the next four years it may become less of a fantasy...people who promote these fantasies often have aspirations of creating the fantasy in real life.)

That being said, I am sure it is very discouraging for federal employees to see their departments being threatened by Elon Musk and a group of unbelievably inexperienced cabinet members, chosen because they are billionaires, democracy (election) deniers, department dismantlers, etc. How can you work for someone who doesn't respect you, doesn't respect the function of your department, doesn't respect the tens of millions of Americans who need its services?

For example, how can the dedicated scientists in the FDA work for anti-vax conspiracy theorists like RFK, Jr. who would fire people like Dr. Fauci and replace them with pseudo-scientists who could endanger Americans' lives?

One of my neighbors has a son who was one of the researchers that checked out an Alzheimer's drug that can keep elderly Americans with dementia out of nursing homes and give them years of wisdom and love to share with grandchildren. Will we continue to see our government guard our health instead of stopping vaccines and reintroducing polio, meningitis, and other life threatening illnesses?

These employees are repositories of knowledge and experience that will be under attack in the next four years but which will be needed when Americans realize they made a mistake.

 

[Zaha Torte]

The headline gives "The Daily Signal" away as fake news.

"Deep State" is a euphemism promoting the fantasy of a corrupt beauacracy (although over the next four years it may become less of a fantasy...people who promote these fantasies often have aspirations of creating the fantasy in real life.)

That being said, I am sure it is very discouraging for federal employees to see their departments being threatened by Elon Musk and a group of unbelievably inexperienced cabinet members, chosen because they are billionaires, democracy (election) deniers, department dismantlers, etc. How can you work for someone who doesn't respect you, doesn't respect the function of your department, doesn't respect the tens of millions of Americans who need its services?

For example, how can the dedicated scientists in the FDA work for anti-vax conspiracy theorists like RFK, Jr. who would fire people like Dr. Fauci and replace them with pseudo-scientists who could endanger Americans' lives?

One of my neighbors has a son who was one of the researchers that checked out an Alzheimer's drug that can keep elderly Americans with dementia out of nursing homes and give them years of wisdom and love to share with grandchildren. Will we continue to see our government guard our health instead of stopping vaccines and reintroducing polio, meningitis, and other life threatening illnesses?

These employees are repositories of knowledge and experience that will be under attack in the next four years but which will be needed when Americans realize they made a mistake.

Or they are bloated and corrupt and are just in it for themselves. Let's flip that coin.

 

[Fantine]

My experience with federal employees, and my few years as a federal employee in the 1970's have shown me differently.

Wall St. hedge fund managers are far more likely to be "just in it for themselves." And those are the kinds of people they will be working for.

 

[Vambram]

The headline gives "The Daily Signal" away as fake news.

"Deep State" is a euphemism promoting the fantasy of a corrupt beauacracy (although over the next four years it may become less of a fantasy...people who promote these fantasies often have aspirations of creating the fantasy in real life.)

LOL
you can dismiss the Daily Signal and the Heritage Foundation as fake news. No one is going to stop you from doing that. However, the article is using real polling that was done. But, what the federal employees ought to understand that they should be accountable to their bosses.... instead of resisting their bosses.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yet 42% of federal government managers who work in the Washington, D.C., swamp intend to work against the administration.
Federal Government Managers, however, proved evenly split, with only 44% saying they would support the administration and 42% saying they would resist it.

DEEP STATE GEARING UP: Nearly Half of Federal Employees in the Swamp Plan to Resist Trump, Poll Finds

A groundbreaking survey from RMG Research finds that bureaucrats in the federal government plan to act like a deep state opposing Trump.

www.dailysignal.com

The question they’re describing is about these “managers’” “political efforts.” The article doesn’t link to the original poll or define “political efforts,” but I wouldn’t necessarily equate my professional work with my “political efforts.” I would assume “political efforts” to constitute things like voting, organizing, donations, etc.

The only part of the article that even remotely supports the headline’s implications is this:

The survey also asked Federal Government Managers what they would do if Trump gave them a lawful order that they considered to be bad policy. Only 17% of Democratic managers who voted for Harris would follow Trump’s order. Three times as many (64%) said they would ignore the order and do what they thought was best. This amounts to a declaration that they plan to act like a deep state, opposing the people’s elected president.

But the threshold for “manager” in this poll is working for the federal government and making $75k/yr, which is pretty laughable. It’s very likely that a lot of the people responding to this poll aren’t in a position to decide whether or not to follow policy in the first place.

This is the same polling firm that defined “elite” as those “who have postgraduate degrees, earn more than $150,000 annually, and live in densely populated areas”, something which we’ve already ripped apart as ludicrous a couple times on this board. IOW, this polling firm is putting out nonsense.

 

[Fantine]

I just looked at the headline of this thread.
You mean federal employees work in the everglades? I didn't know. Swamps in the South? Mississippi maybe? Unless that's what you're referring to, it's flaming them, and flaming us inappropriate for people who have spent their lives in public service.
What would federal employees do in the everglades, except for a few national park workers?

 

[Vambram]

I just looked at the headline of this thread.
You mean federal employees work in the everglades? I didn't know. Swamps in the South? Mississippi maybe? Unless that's what you're referring to, it's flaming them, and flaming us inappropriate for people who have spent their lives in public service.
What would federal employees do in the everglades, except for a few national park workers?

Please go deeper than the words of the headline. Thank you.

 

[Vambram]

The question they’re describing is about these “managers’” “political efforts.” The article doesn’t link to the original poll or define “political efforts,” but I wouldn’t necessarily equate my professional work with my “political efforts.” I wouldn’t necessarily equate assume “political efforts” to constitute things like voting, organizing, donations, etc.

The only part of the article that even remotely supports the headline’s implications is this:



But the threshold for “manager” in this poll is working for the federal government and making $75k/yr, which is pretty laughable. It’s very likely that a lot of the people responding to this poll aren’t in a position to decide whether or not to follow policy in the first place.

This is the same polling firm that defined “elite” as those “who have postgraduate degrees, earn more than $150,000 annually, and live in densely populated areas”, something which we’ve already ripped apart as ludicrous a couple times on this board. IOW, this polling firm is putting out nonsense.

We shall have to wait and see whether or not they are putting out nonsense.

 

[Fantine]

Please go deeper than the words of the headline. Thank you.

I looked deeper. This piece of questionable journalism used more propaganda lies of the extreme right: swamp, deep state, elites, gung-ho.
These buzz words are used to dumb down the electorate and also to try to normalize the trash talk they hear at the highest level.
The low level of the article convinces me any questions they would pose would be slanted and biased.
But the headline alone would put it in my spam folder.

 

[Vambram]

I looked deeper. This piece of questionable journalism used more propaganda lies of the extreme right: swamp, deep state, elites, gung-ho.
These buzz words are used to dumb down the electorate and also to try to normalize the trash talk they hear at the highest level.
The low level of the article convinces me any questions they would pose would be slanted and biased.
But the headline alone would put it in my spam folder.

Therefore, I'm betting that you are of the opinion that there will not be a significant amount of federal bureaucrats in the federal government who shall be actively resisting the agenda and the instructions from President Trump and their own bosses in the various agencies?

 

[Fantine]

I believe federal employees will do their jobs, even when their Cabinet heads are inexperienced billionaires and others determined to undermine them.
Obviously, morale will be bad as it is if your boss is what corporate lingo calls an empty suit.
And if there are layoffs the survivors will be overworked and ineligible for overtime.
Lots of them will have their resumes out with recruiters, and it will be harder to recruit new people, but they'll try to ride it out.
VA will no longer be a purple state.
2.9 million disrespected, undervalued employees can flip lots of elections.

 

[Vambram]

I believe federal employees will do their jobs, even when their Cabinet heads are inexperienced billionaires and others determined to undermine them.
Obviously, morale will be bad as it is if your boss is what corporate lingo calls an empty suit.
And if there are layoffs the survivors will be overworked and ineligible for overtime.
Lots of them will have their resumes out with recruiters, and it will be harder to recruit new people, but they'll try to ride it out.
VA will no longer be a purple state.
2.9 million disrespected, undervalued employees can flip lots of elections.

The Federal employees should not be resisting the agendas and instructions from their Cabinet heads, their bosses, and the President of the United States. The Federal employees have not won any elections. Therefore, since those employees are not voted upon by the American people, those employees really ought to follow the instructions and agendas of those over them in the chain of command.

 

[Pommer]

The Federal employees should not be resisting the agendas and instructions from their Cabinet heads, their bosses, and the President of the United States. The Federal employees have not won any elections. Therefore, since those employees are not voted upon by the American people, those employees really ought to follow the instructions and agendas of those over them in the chain of command.

There’s not a great deal of leeway in Federal Agencies, due to them having to comply with [whatever Act of Congress authorizes a particular agency (or other), and the statutes as well as whatever rulings by the Judicial Branch metes out].

If the Executive Branch “decides” to cut the workforce, there’s already rules* about how that should go.

*”rules” in the Executive Branch have the force of Law, though there’s always some wiggle-room to set policy

 

[Aryeh Jay]

The leader of the Coast Guard has been removed! Time to build up a loyal military to follow the orders of the President!

 

[BCP1928]

When a federal employee is hired, he or she takes an oath. It is not an oath of loyalty to the President, but to the Constitution.

 

[rjs330]

A surprising number of federal government employees admit they are gearing up to act like a deep state, opposing the incoming second administration of Donald Trump.

Most Americans, even many of the elites who voted for Vice President Kamala Harris, are willing to support Trump’s administration, according to an RMG Research survey commissioned by the Napolitan Institute. Yet 42% of federal government managers who work in the Washington, D.C., swamp intend to work against the administration.
Federal Government Managers, however, proved evenly split, with only 44% saying they would support the administration and 42% saying they would resist it.

DEEP STATE GEARING UP: Nearly Half of Federal Employees in the Swamp Plan to Resist Trump, Poll Finds

A groundbreaking survey from RMG Research finds that bureaucrats in the federal government plan to act like a deep state opposing Trump.

www.dailysignal.com

Well that would fit the voter demographic because that percentage of voters voted Democrat. And we all know they oppose Trump on everything he does. So it makes sense to me. When they do though they should go through the proper chain of command and if they are told to do whatever and refuse then they should be fired. Or uf tg.hey just obatruct without following the chain, they should be fired.

I don't get to do stuff like that in my job and still keep it. Why should they be exempt?

 

[rjs330]

My experience with federal employees, and my few years as a federal employee in the 1970's have shown me differently.

Wall St. hedge fund managers are far more likely to be "just in it for themselves." And those are the kinds of people they will be working for.

If they are are just doing their job and doing it well that's great. But we have 42% who are going to politically obstruct. That's being in it fir yourself because you dont like your boss for political reasons. Thise are NOT good employees.