Trump Found Guilty on All 34 Counts In Hush-Money Trial

[ralliann]

None of this is relevant to Mr Trump's convictions. Only to your psyche.

And the scholars psyche, as well as the Feds investigating this at the time... Which forms my psyche..

And only you can choose truth to help shape your perceptions. Opinions are not facts. Facts led to these convictions.

And Facts also lead to the the federal investigators to not charge Trump

Try to acknowledge the facts before reaching for more biased opinions to assuage your suffering. This judge has at LEAST as many scholarly credentials as your overworked cable TV scholars.

The DOJ was hardly biased in it's investigation and decisions..This is not over, it will go to appeal....
I just agree with the scholars, and evidently the federal investigators.

 

[Brihaha]

And the scholars psyche, as well as the Feds investigating this at the time... Which forms my psyche..

And Facts also lead to the the federal investigators to not charge Trump

The DOJ was hardly biased in it's investigation and decisions..This is not over, it will go to appeal....
I just agree with the scholars, and evidently the federal investigators.

Which is so easy for folks when they continue to choose not to educate themselves. In my opinion, you are doing a disservice to yourself in not trying to educate yourself and understand the charges and evidence. As it obviously stresses Trump fans more than it should. One day people might detach themselves from the man altogether and return to the real world.

 

[ralliann]

Which is so easy for folks when they continue to choose not to educate themselves. In my opinion, you are doing a disservice to yourself in not trying to educate yourself and understand the charges and evidence. As it obviously stresses Trump fans more than it should. One day people might detach themselves from the man altogether and return to the real world.

I have continually cited those who know. You refuse the federal investigation, and choose Bragg, and Merchan. That is the difference. You think yourself of a more educated opinion for it. So be it.
The appeals process will sort these things out.

 

[Pommer]

I have continually cited those who know. You refuse the federal investigation, and choose Bragg, and Merchan. That is the difference. You think yourself of a more educated opinion for it. So be it.
The appeals process will sort these things out.

I’m fairly certain that the DOJ doesn’t prosecute crimes that are only crimes New York State.
That’s probably why a New York DA brought the charges.

 

[Brihaha]

I have continually cited those who know. You refuse the federal investigation, and choose Bragg, and Merchan. That is the difference. You think yourself of a more educated opinion for it. So be it.
The appeals process will sort these things out.

Yes, but why the inability and unwillingness to admit that Donald Trump has proven himself to be a fraud many times over? In his businesses, charities, elections etc. Why such intense denials that Mr Trump could possibly be guilty? Education means acknowledgement of reality, once one finds it. Appeals or not, Donald Trump has a history of this sort of fraud. Yet to some people his guilt seems inconceivable.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Ami was not prosecuted
"JURISPRUDENCE

The Government Should Have Prosecuted AMI​

I thought paying people to prevent them from airing their stories was not a crime?

Oh that's right; it is illegal when it's to influence an election (and exceeds campaign donation limits or is misreported). FTA:

With AMI, the government has also secured an admission from the company that it, too, made the payments to help Trump’s campaign, fully knowing they were illegal.

In fairness, two key factors also complicated any potential case against AMI. First, its role as a media company grants it a special status in criminal investigations.

Which points to the second factor: that David Pecker is a small fish when compared with Cohen and possibly Trump, the actual candidate who engaged in campaign finance fraud. It is hard to criticize the prosecutors who, along with the investigating agents, have done an incredible job finding and presenting often difficult-to-uncover evidence. The case exposes the many ways wealthy individuals like Trump can leverage their resources to abuse the electoral system.

And that's why David Pecker was a key witness in the trial against Donald Trump.

 

[DaisyDay]

Again the fed's investigating this did not think there was any accountability on Trumps part either.
As Turley explains
"The Justice Department declined any criminal charges against Trump under federal election law over the alleged “hush money” payments. The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution"

I believe the scholars are correct as well.

One political pundit is "the scholars" now.

Ami was not prosecuted
"JURISPRUDENCE

The Government Should Have Prosecuted AMI​

BY LIAM BRENNAN
DEC 17, 201810:55 AM
When a Manhattan judge sentenced Michael Cohen to three years in prison, the Justice Department issued what appeared to be a standard press release trumpeting the events. The announcement, however, carried an unexpected subhead, stating that the Justice Department had also entered into a nonprosecution agreement with American Media Inc., the parent company of the National Enquirer. "

"A Sept. 20 letter detailed the nonprosecution agreement between the Justice Department and AMI, which both parties agreed to keep secret until after the November midterm elections."

"There are no charges against AMI. The DOJ did not even require that AMI pay a fine."

So? And your link is not direct to the article, but only to a section of the site.

Cohen got perks for his guilty plea. AMI sure did....
I am sure
Prosecution is to prove guilt. To plead guilty is a form of avoiding that......No need for to face trial.

What "perks" did Cohen get for his guilty plea other than the usual afforded to plea bargainers? He served three years in prison - should the man who solicited his services and conspired with him for his own benefit get a similar sentence even without a plea bargain?

Cohen did not receive any "perks" for his testimony despite your saying otherwise without evidence.

 

[DaisyDay]

I have continually cited those who know.

You have continuously cited political commentator Turley and the contrarian defense lawyer Dershowitz generously referring to them as "scholars" although what you cite is not any scholarly writings but merely political bloviating. You continuously ignore others who know but disagree with your own opinion.

You refuse the federal investigation, and choose Bragg, and Merchan. That is the difference. You think yourself of a more educated opinion for it. So be it.

Were the actual results of the federal investigation made public? The indictment, statement of facts and judicial orders are all public as are the transcripts of the trial - which as far as I can tell you have not read or made yourself familiar with.

The appeals process will sort these things out.

On what grounds?

 

[Desk trauma]

Former president and current convict Donald John is banned from visiting the UK and Australia, Canada, China and a few others due to his being a convicted criminal. There is the possibility for waivers, but no guarantee.

If he were elected, would he retaliate and forbid visits from the heads of state of those nations?

If he gets back in power he will be vindictiveness made flesh.

 

[SarahsKnight]

If he gets back in power he will be vindictiveness made flesh.

There is little doubt of that, unfortunately.

And most of his defenders will be cheering it on. =/

 

[mark46]

Former president and current convict Donald John is banned from visiting the UK and Australia, Canada, China and a few others due to his being a convicted criminal. There is the possibility for waivers, but no guarantee.

If he were elected, would he retaliate and forbid visits from the heads of state of those nations?

Also, DiSantis will need to get him a waiver if he is to vote in FL in November. Felons don't usually vote in Florida.

 

[mark46]

You are cherry picking. I've spent enough time talking about this on this site. I normally save this stuff for political sites where posters are a bit more savvy on current events as well as geopolitical history. I'll return my focus to there.

Do I understand you to say that the Republican position regarding the results of the 2020 election are not a relevant political issue in the 2024 election?

There are many, many, many Republicans who strongly disagree.

Or perhaps you are simply saying that court cases and decisions regarding the protests against the accuracy of the 2020 results don't matter?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ami was not prosecuted
"JURISPRUDENCE

The Government Should Have Prosecuted AMI​

That's what a non-prosecution agreement is. An agreement that the government *should* prosecute someone, but are agreeing not to, usually because the party has evidence of the crimes of others.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Do I understand you to say that the Republican position regarding the results of the 2020 election are not a relevant political issue in the 2024 election?

There are many, many, many Republicans who strongly disagree.

Or perhaps you are simply saying that court cases and decisions regarding the protests against the accuracy of the 2020 results don't matter?

I'm an independent. I left the R party in the middle of Dubya's second term. I finally saw what I now strongly believe was happening. i.e. we have a uniparty that is playing "good cop/bad-cop" with us. Which one a person sees as the good cop depends on their schema. But I no longer buy it at all. One reason I'm a Trump fan is that I see him as outside the uniparty. He joined one of its branches because that is the only way you can get elected president. An independent doesn't have a chance.

It's why it seems sometimes that the R's are fighting him. They are! They just try not to be so obvious about it. They do it in a more subtle back-stabbing way.

Thanks to Trump, and how both wings of the Uniparty are treating him, I will never again vote for a career politician in a presidential election. It is not a job for a politician. It's a job for a leader. And most, if not all of them come from the private sector.

Oh, and OF COURSE the 2020 election was stolen. IMO, of course. The math alone is the strongest evidence.

 

[essentialsaltes]

As a convicted felon, Trump is no longer allowed to hold a liquor license in NY, NJ and FL.

NJ Does Not Renew Trump's Liquor Licenses At 2 Golf Clubs After Felony Conviction​

The golf clubs are temporarily allowed to continue to serve alcohol until a final hearing on the renewals is held in July.​

[Great, all he has to do is pardon himself, and everything's jake.]

 

[ralliann]

NJ Does Not Renew Trump's Liquor Licenses At 2 Golf Clubs After Felony Conviction​

The golf clubs are temporarily allowed to continue to serve alcohol until a final hearing on the renewals is held in July.​

[Great, all he has to do is pardon himself, and everything's jake.]

I hope he does not pardon himself. This political corruption needs to be exposed....
The corrupt prosecutors drop everything before it gets overturned as it is......let it run it's course, to come to a lawful conclusion.

 

[DaisyDay]

I hope he does not pardon himself.

You do know that Trump can not pardon himself from a state conviction, right? He can only pardon federal convictions. How do you not know this by now?

This political corruption needs to be exposed....
The corrupt prosecutors drop everything before it gets overturned as it is......let it run it's course, to come to a lawful conclusion.

Of greater concern are the corrupt judges who seem to be trying to run the clock.

 

[essentialsaltes]

You do know that Trump can not pardon himself from a state ...

My bad, I started it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sentencing and appeal​

The 34 charges against the former president are Class E felonies, the lowest level in New York law. As a first-time offender, Trump is unlikely to face any prison time.

And he won't.

Judge upholds Trump’s felony conviction, but does not plan to order jail time​

Sentencing is scheduled Jan. 10 for President-elect Donald Trump, who was found guilty by a jury in May of falsifying business records.

New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote in his ruling that he does not intend to sentence Trump to jail. He said he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.

“The Defendant has presented no valid argument to convince this Court [that the whole thing should be tossed],” he said. “Binding precedent does not provide that an individual, upon becoming President, can retroactively dismiss or vacate prior criminal acts nor does it grant blanket Presidential-elect immunity. This Court is therefore forbidden from recognizing either form of immunity.”

 

[Fantine]

I am glad to know that Judge Merchan has reaffirmed his conviction on all 34 counts. The rule of law is alive and well in New York City and New York State, where the incoming president is also dealing with two huge financial judgments for business fraud and sexual assault (amounting to about $500 million, with interest accruing every day). Then of course, justice was served in the federal courts when the defrauded students of the now defunct Trump University received a $25 million judgment about 9 years ago.
When everyday citizens see the wealthy and powerful avoid accountability for their crimes and misdeeds it creates anger and mistrust of our judicial system.
We owe New York, my home state, a debt of gratitude for taking these cases seriously, undeterred by the defendant's wealth and power.