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Trump Found Guilty on All 34 Counts In Hush-Money Trial

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Which defendant? Michael Cohen? Not prosecuted in exchange to plead guilty to a federal crime for a non disclosure agreement? Oh, wait, that technically would make him not have to defend himself.... nice deal
You keep claiming falsely that Cohen was not prosecuted when, in fact, he was not only prosecuted and convicted but spent YEARS in the federal penitentiary. After the first few times you repeat this disinformation, your credibility becomes ...questionable....
 
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I'll give one example: Colorado. There are plenty, though. But either of us can cherry pick cases to "prove" our point. I'm simply saying that when you look at the body of evidence, I learned from experience to ignore his lower court losses because they were overturned so often. It's actually become a meme in the circles and forums I hang out at. And the fact that those that disagree so often want to impeach the integrity of the higher courts to "explain it" is comical. There is a reason higher courts are a different pay grade. :cool:
That was an oddity because states supposedly set their own election laws and rules providing they comport with the Constitution. But okay, he did win one thanks to his appointees on the USSC. The highest court has come under some disrepute thanks to Alito's fealty to Magadonia (as shown by his flying their freak flags at two of his residences) and Thomas' wife helping run the insurrection attempt and Thomas' receiving but not reporting millions of dollars worth of gifts while never recusing himself on matters concerning his good friends.
 
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Steeped in denial flows both ways
Didn't you mean to say "lying flows both ways" or is the differene between denial and lying not so trivial ??
Who cares about this stuff. Corrupt judges, prosecutors, constitutional violations, make the above trivial.
It's far from trivial (and you know it). If it's so trivial why are you even posting your 2cents worth on this thread ?
Sounds like you're so frustrated/confused as to not know who's the better choice for President now or come November.

Maybe just flip a coin ... heads Conservative Republican Party or tails Socialist Democratic Party
 
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Trump is not batting 1000 in the courts. Who does? But he does very, very well. That's my point.
Yup losing every single case but one is really, really doing well. ???

That was Trump's record regarding the 2020 election cases.
 
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In what way is he doing well? He was sanctioned a million dollars for his frivolous suit against Hillary Clinton and several others. He lost several million, twice, to E. Jean Carroll. He and his two oldest boys are not allowed to run a business in NY. He is not allowed to run a charity in NY. He defrauded his own fans with his Trump University scam.
It depends on what you mean when you say "doing very well".

For some, losing every case is a mark of doing very, very well. I guess that Trump only did "very well" in the election cases after the 2020 elections. After all he won one case out of dozens.

And he does well when he and is company are found guilty and pay millions in fines.
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One must understand that Trump ALWAYS does very, very well, no matter what he does and no matter what the courts decide. Just ask him, or his family or his supporters in the House.
 
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It depends on what you mean when you say "doing very well".

For some, losing every case is a mark of doing very, very well. I guess that Trump only did "very well" in the election cases after the 2020 elections. After all he won one case out of dozens.

And he does well when he and is company are found guilty and pay millions in fines.
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One must understand that Trump ALWAYS does very, very well, no matter what he does and no matter what the courts decide. Just ask him, or his family or his supporters in the House.
As a convicted felon, Trump is no longer allowed to hold a liquor license in NY, NJ and FL.

Actually, it seems to me that he should have lost his NJ liquor license after he was adjudicated a sexual assaulter against E. Jean Carroll.

Looks like he'll also lose his NY gun license (so, he could have shot someone on Fifth Ave?)
 
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Yup losing every single case but one is really, really doing well. ???

That was Trump's record regarding the 2020 election cases.
You are cherry picking. I've spent enough time talking about this on this site. I normally save this stuff for political sites where posters are a bit more savvy on current events as well as geopolitical history. I'll return my focus to there.
 
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You keep claiming falsely that Cohen was not prosecuted when, in fact, he was not only prosecuted and convicted but spent YEARS in the federal penitentiary. After the first few times you repeat this disinformation, your credibility becomes ...questionable....
Copy and paste"
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When a person is guilty, they may choose to avoid prosecution through various legal mechanisms. Here are a few relevant points:

  1. Plea Bargains and the Trial Penalty:
    • Prosecutors often incentivize plea bargains, where a defendant pleads guilty in exchange for a reduced sentence or other benefits.
    • The fear of facing a harsher “trial penalty” (a significantly longer sentence if convicted at trial) leads many defendants to choose plea deals.
    • Approximately 97% of criminal cases are resolved through plea bargains1."

As a convicted felon, Trump is no longer allowed to hold a liquor license in NY, NJ and FL.
And people will still vote for him, so this is really another, nothing burger.
 
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Copy and paste"
Begin quote
When a person is guilty, they may choose to avoid prosecution through various legal mechanisms. Here are a few relevant points:

  1. Plea Bargains and the Trial Penalty:
    • Prosecutors often incentivize plea bargains, where a defendant pleads guilty in exchange for a reduced sentence or other benefits.
    • The fear of facing a harsher “trial penalty” (a significantly longer sentence if convicted at trial) leads many defendants to choose plea deals.
    • Approximately 97% of criminal cases are resolved through plea bargains1."
Yes, Cohen took a plea bargain with Trump's DOJ in 2018 and was sentenced to three and a half years. He avoided a trial, but not prosecution - a guilty plea counts as a successful prosecution for the people (as opposed to the defense).

His plea bargain had nothing to do with the hush money trial as he had already served his sentence by the time Donald Trump was indicted. He did not gain anything legally by testifying.
And people will still vote for him, so this is really another, nothing burger.
It's not a nothing burger because he is a convicted criminal now and penalties are attached to the verdict, but all those hysterical claims of election interference don't hold any water.
 
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And people will still vote for him, so this is really another, nothing burger.
Former president and current convict Donald John is banned from visiting the UK and Australia, Canada, China and a few others due to his being a convicted criminal. There is the possibility for waivers, but no guarantee.

If he were elected, would he retaliate and forbid visits from the heads of state of those nations?
 
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Former president and current convict Donald John is banned from visiting the UK and Australia, Canada, China and a few others due to his being a convicted criminal. There is the possibility for waivers, but no guarantee.

If he were elected, would he retaliate and forbid visits from the heads of state of those nations?
Nothing burger.
 
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Well fed while his run for office continues

It can easily be argued Donald Trump is running FROM accountability. Using the reelection bid to pay lots of money to stay out of prison. People like Donald can pay good money to be a criminal while escaping punishment. That's your two tiered system right there. We serfs haven't the means to enjoy such a privilege.
 
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It can easily be argued Donald Trump is running FROM accountability. Using the reelection bid to pay lots of money to stay out of prison. People like Donald can pay good money to be a criminal while escaping punishment. That's your two tiered system right there. We serfs haven't the means to enjoy such a privilege.
Again the fed's investigating this did not think there was any accountability on Trumps part either.
As Turley explains
"The Justice Department declined any criminal charges against Trump under federal election law over the alleged “hush money” payments. The Federal Election Commission likewise found no basis for a civil fine. With no federal prosecution"

I believe the scholars are correct as well.
 
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Again the fed's investigating this did not think there was any accountability on Trumps part either.
I believe the scholar's are correct as well.

None of this is relevant to Mr Trump's convictions. Only to your psyche. And only you can choose truth to help shape your perceptions. Opinions are not facts. Facts led to these convictions. Try to acknowledge the facts before reaching for more biased opinions to assuage your suffering. This judge has at LEAST as many scholarly credentials as your overworked cable TV scholars.
 
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You keep claiming falsely that Cohen was not prosecuted when, in fact, he was not only prosecuted and convicted but spent YEARS in the federal penitentiary. After the first few times you repeat this disinformation, your credibility becomes ...questionable....
Ami was not prosecuted
"JURISPRUDENCE

The Government Should Have Prosecuted AMI​

BY LIAM BRENNAN
DEC 17, 201810:55 AM
When a Manhattan judge sentenced Michael Cohen to three years in prison, the Justice Department issued what appeared to be a standard press release trumpeting the events. The announcement, however, carried an unexpected subhead, stating that the Justice Department had also entered into a nonprosecution agreement with American Media Inc., the parent company of the National Enquirer. "

"A Sept. 20 letter detailed the nonprosecution agreement between the Justice Department and AMI, which both parties agreed to keep secret until after the November midterm elections."

"There are no charges against AMI. The DOJ did not even require that AMI pay a fine."

Cohen got perks for his guilty plea. AMI sure did....
I am sure
Prosecution is to prove guilt. To plead guilty is a form of avoiding that......No need for to face trial.
 
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