Dinosaurs would still be here.

[Eternally Grateful]

I"d like to know how you account for the Yellowstone Hot Spot that was off the Oregon coast 50 million years ago and shows up in Southern Oregon 17 million years ago as the North American Plate moved over it. And where today we can physically see its burn path to it's present location. Where do you see any sign of a Global Flood in that burn path, or signs of a young Earth? Those signs simply do not exist.

And then we have the Columbia River Basalts which is sourced from the Yellowstone Hot Spot 17 million years ago poured out basalt for several million years. Where are the signs of a Global Flood in those over 300 different layers of basalt? And how do we get a young earth capable of that many basalt flows in a short 6000 year span?

And then we have the Glacial Ice Age. Where are the signs of a Global Flood there? And how does the Ice Age fit into a 6000 year old earth?

St Helens that you brought up has a 275,000 year history. How do we get a young earth from that? And around and on the mountain, where are the sign's of a Global Flood? Hint: There are no such signs.

And I'm just hitting a few highlights here in the Pacific North West. We have on exhibit the entire Earth that shows no sign of being a young Earth as well as no signs of a Global Flood.

I was not around 50 millions years ago. neither were you. or anyone else that is alive today.

so where are you getting your dates from?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I answered that wrong.

Why would they go out and look, when they're already convinced the Flood was global?

They did go out and look. Dr Andrew Snelling and many other of his counterparts are still out doing research.. it never ends..

If they, or anyone, can't sleep at night without having tangible proof of the Flood (or any other miracle in the Bible), then that's a good question.

If reading GOD DID IT in the Bible isn't good enough, then by all means, knock yourself out.

Get back out there with more sophisticated equipment than you had 200 years ago and look again.

And when -- as usual -- you find nothing, then man-up and admit God cleaned it up.

 

[dlamberth]

No one wanted to go out and look again with updated and more sophisticated instruments?

Or, as I suspect, did they stamp DID NOT HAPPEN on it and forgot about it?

Those first geologist worked under the Biblical belief of a global flood. The looked and looked but could find no evidence of said flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

They did go out and look. Dr Andrew Snelling and many other of his counterparts are still out doing research.. it never ends..

Then what's this?

Scientists moved on from the global flood about 200 years ago.

 

[dlamberth]

I was not around 50 millions years ago. neither were you. or anyone else that is alive today.

so where are you getting your dates from?

From the Siletzia terrane.
So basically from the Earth.

Here's a Wiki:
Siletzia - Wikipedia

If wanted, I could provide more detailed papers on the serious terrines here in the Pacific Northwest. But I thought a simple Wiki page would be a start.

 

[AV1611VET]

Those first geologist worked under the Biblical belief of a global flood.

Okay.

They looked and looked but could find no evidence of said flood.

My question is:

Why have they stopped looking, if indeed they have?

 

[dlamberth]

Okay.



My question is:

Why have they stopped looking, if indeed they have?

When the entire Earth shows no sign of a Global Flood, why keep looking? At some point they have to admit that to do so is a complete waste of time and they move on to the geology that the Earth is actually showing of itSelf.

 

[River Jordan]

taken from Biologos webpage.. should i read that to see what it says?

No, it's from a university website and I think they got the image from the NPS.

But yes. All of those are sedimentary layers.. take a look for an example of the tapeats sandstone, and bright angel. look how sharp that line is.. Now when I read science in school. I was told there were thousands maybe millions of years between these layers. but again, No evidence of eriosion. No evidence of the plant life or animals life or anything happening in between these two lays. it appears as we look at it that one was layed down quickly over the other one.. And we can trace these layers in many cases across continents.

Do you believe all the strata in the image I posted were laid down by the flood?

 

[River Jordan]

many of them have.. why do you think those of us who have seen it have changed our views.

they did not just come up0 with their ideas. and we did nto just blindly agree with them and change our views.

Who? Where can I read their results?

 

[River Jordan]

Why would they go out and look, when they're already convinced the Flood was global?

Because one would think if it could be scientifically supported it would be a boon to ministry.

Leaving things as they are just maintains the status quo, where science moved on from the global flood 200 years ago and the only people who still cling to it are mostly from specific American Protestant denominations. IOW, it'll remain a sectarian religious belief.

If they, or anyone, can't sleep at night without having tangible proof of the Flood (or any other miracle in the Bible), then that's a good question.

If reading GOD DID IT in the Bible isn't good enough, then by all means, knock yourself out.

Get back out there with more sophisticated equipment than you had 200 years ago and look again.

And when -- as usual -- you find nothing, then man-up and admit God cleaned it up.

Again, that's for the handful of people who still believe it literally to do. Everyone else moved on centuries ago.

 

[River Jordan]

Then what's this?

Snelling isn't a scientist. He works for a Christian apologetics ministry that has all its employees agree to work under a framework that is the opposite of science.

 

[AV1611VET]

When the entire Earth shows no sign of a Global Flood, why keep looking? At some point they have to admit that to do so is a complete waste of time and they move on to the geology that the Earth is actually showing of itSelf.

Well one says they quit 200 years ago, and another says they're out there right now looking.

Looks like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because one would think if it could be scientifically supported it would be a boon to ministry.

If they want to "boon their ministry," why don't they look for scientific evidence of the Resurrection?

Other than an empty tomb, I'm sure they can find SOMETHING to hunt for.

Leaving things as they are just maintains the status quo, where science moved on from the global flood 200 years ago and the only people who still cling to it are mostly from specific American Protestant denominations.

I'm getting the impression that no one knows what science is doing re looking for evidence of the Flood.

Again, that's for the handful of people who still believe it literally to do. Everyone else moved on centuries ago.

So I'm right then?

They stamped DID NOT HAPPEN and have now forgotten about it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Snelling isn't a scientist.

Andrew Snelling holds a Ph D in geology from the University of Sydney, Australia.

 

[dlamberth]

If they want to "boon their ministry," why don't they look for scientific evidence of the Resurrection?

Other than an empty tomb, I'm sure they can find SOMETHING to hunt for.

Science works with objectivity in research and not with religious beliefs.

I'm getting the impression that no one knows what science is doing re looking for evidence of the Flood.



So I'm right then?

They stamped DID NOT HAPPEN and have now forgotten about it?

How does the saying go? “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. If geologist keep looking for something that doesn't exist, at which point does it become insanity to keep doing so?

 

[River Jordan]

If they want to "boon their ministry," why don't they look for scientific evidence of the Resurrection?

Other than an empty tomb, I'm sure they can find SOMETHING to hunt for.

If we agree that there's no geological evidence for the flood, that's good.

I'm getting the impression that no one knows what science is doing re looking for evidence of the Flood.

So I'm right then?

They stamped DID NOT HAPPEN and have now forgotten about it?

Yeah, for the same reason scientists aren't looking for evidence that the sun orbits the earth. It's settled unless someone comes up with some significant new data.

[Andrew Snelling holds a Ph D in geology from the University of Sydney, Australia.

That makes him a college graduate, not a scientist. If after I got my degrees in biology I went and worked as a truck driver, I can't say I'm a scientist.

Snelling works for AiG, which is a self-described apologetics ministry (not a scientific institution) that has all their employees agree to work under an anti-scientific framework. Therefore he's not a scientist.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then what's this?

thats someone trying to insist something that is not true

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From the Siletzia terrane.
So basically from the Earth.

Here's a Wiki:
Silesia - Wikipedia

If wanted, I could provide more detailed papers on the serious terrines here in the Pacific Northwest. But I thought a simple Wiki page would be a start.

sorry, I do not get my science data from wikepedia.

However, I see they are using radiometric data to determine the age.

I would not trust this to determine how old something was.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My question is:

Why have they stopped looking, if indeed they have?

most people stop looking because they are afraid to find the answers they find may be against what they believe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, it's from a university website and I think they got the image from the NPS.

When you find it let me know

I found it here

Flood Geology and the Grand Canyon: What Does the Evidence Really Say? - BioLogos

Do you believe all the strata in the image I posted were laid down by the flood?

yes. in rapid succession.