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Excellent point, and this is exactly what I am trying to diverge.. why are we so divided, is there a way we can all become united. And is there anyone a person on the outside or someone who is truly searching even on the inside, can see through the word which ay they should go?
The firs time he mentions saved by grace is in the first few verses though, why would you go to the verses later in the chapter. When it is all explained in the first 9 verses..
That is a great place to start amen.. And considering the word was written in greek, hebrew aramaic ad Chaldean. i think if we are looking for defenitions, true defenitions at that, we shoudl see what they mean in their native language.. as the English language can be fickle (baptize, baptism, and baptismal are not even native english words. So it is in my mind foolish to go to an english dictionary to find the meaning.
I think it is pretty clear that the lack of godly wisdom in those who crucified the Lord (vss 7-8) followed the principle laid out in the OT scripture (quoted in vs 10) that godly wisdom is not assimilated by excercising one's physical senses. In other words, the wise people of this world use philosophy, logic, intelect, human effort, etc to gain wisdom.
No, I'm not referring to that. I'm simply demonstrating that I understand what the Scriptures at issue are saying (i.e., that godly wisdom comes by direct revelation from God, not from the excercise of human knowledge, skills, and abilities). This passage supports my original postulate that the reason behind so many divergent views of Scripture may be that not everyone is holding fast to the Lord and to the things He is revealing to us.
This is a good thing. His promptings are continuous and never ending. Walking, talking, thinking, and doing as He prompts is the only way to live a successful Christian life.
Those are not the only two choices.
As in born again. . .which has nothing to do with human birth, and everything to do with (spiritual) resurrection from (spiritual) death into eternal life?
Perhaps that Godly wisdom can come in simply looking around and in seeing the turmoil of this planet, we question why, understand it is because of the self serving ways mankind has as a default setting, an action that goes right back to Eve, then coming to an understanding the God since the beginning has said and given examples of why we should put His will first and not ours. This of course will make us outcasts in this world as it should (something many Christians wish to avoid) and focused on the Kingdom rather than the wisdom and ways of man. No epiphanies required, but it can turn out to be a spiritual awakening. Just an understanding that this world is a mirror of God's will, a backwards reflection in nature. This lets down the barriers and invites the HS to come in and do its work.
Exactly. They are trying to make the Kingdom over in their own image so they think they can have it both ways, avoiding the outcast part of following God rather than man. For those who are weak in this respect this is where their congregating should come into play, but even the church bailed on the Kingdom centuries ago to re-join the world of man so as not to be an outcast itself. Seek out other outcasts for communion, not the blind leading the blind.
I respect your desire and drive to be as accurate as humanly possible in your understanding of Scripture and the things of God in general. However, my "criticisms", as they may be, are meant to be constructive. In regard to the Charismatic movement, many have thrown out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, not wanting to be associated with them. We need the Holy Spirit in our lives daily because He is the vine that provides the sustenance we need to grow spiritually and intellectually, and without the insights He provides all our learning is in vain. The prime example of this is in 1 Corinthians 2, as we discussed. I meant to point you to the real things it is describing, real things that happen all day every day, not to criticize your methods.
Thank you. This is quite a bit, to be clear you are saying that others regard grace as something one earns by what one does, and you are saying this is not so. And to this I agree.
Your right, the cost was the cross. the giver paid the debt in full.
I think you mean someone else. I did nto mention this passage someone else did. and I did not make post 168, someone else did.
