There Wont Be A Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth Don't Be Deceived

[Diamond72]

I believe the words (Thousand Years) is (Symbolic) (Not Literal)

IF you believe they are symbolic, then you still believe in the 1,000 years Kingdom age. You just believe it is symbolic and not literal.

Everything in the Bible is literal. We teach Sunday school students, the literal Bible. Jesus says you have to be as a child. "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 18:3

Jesus will return to the Earth. His feet will touch the ground. I am beginning to think this is after the 1,000 year kingdom age. I think you are post-millennial also. In that Jesus is not physically here on the earth for that 1,000 years. Even though we rule and reign with Him for 1,000 years.

 

[Jan001]

You just said the prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD.

You said Jesus came in 70 AD .Do you not pay attention to anything you post?

Jesus came in judgment against the unbelieving Jews in 70 AD. He used the Roman armies to mete out his justice against them for their unbelief. They rejected him as their Savior.

First you say Daniel prophecy was fulfilled in 164 BC.

Then you say Daniels prophecy was fulfilled in. 70 AD.

Then you say Daniels prophecy was fulfilled in 33 AD.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 164 BC was the precursor event.
The end of the 70th of week of Daniel was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple.
Jesus' death on the cross in 33 AD made the first covenant obsolete.

Can you not make up your mind what year was the time of the end when Jesus came and raised the dead?

Jesus raised the righteous dead who were in Hades after his death on the cross. Their spirits are now in heaven with him. That is why they do not fear the second death.

Daniel said these things happen at the same time.
Tribulation like no other.
Daniels people are delivered,everyone who's names are written.
Them who sleep in the dust of the earth awake .Some to everlasting life and others to everlasting shame.

God makes no promise of physical protection from harm for the righteous while they live on earth. He does make a promise of no physical harm for the righteous after they enter into heaven. The people who die during this time period (sleep in the earth) are either judged to be worthy to enter into heaven or else they are judged to be worthy to enter hell.

And why are you saying them who are raised to everlasting shame and contempt are righteous?You believe it's righteous to do wrong?

Those who are condemned are definitely not righteous.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus came in judgment against the unbelieving Jews in 70 AD. He used the Roman armies to mete out his justice against them for their unbelief. They rejected him as their Savior.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 164 BC was the precursor event.
The end of the 70th of week of Daniel was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple.
Jesus' death on the cross in 33 AD made the first covenant obsolete.


Jesus raised the righteous dead who were in Hades after his death on the cross. Their spirits are now in heaven with him. That is why they do not fear the second death.

God makes no promise of physical protection from harm for the righteous while they live on earth. He does make a promise of no physical harm for the righteous after they enter into heaven. The people who die during this time period (sleep in the earth) are either judged to be worthy to enter into heaven or else they are judged to be worthy to enter hell.

Those who are condemned are definitely not righteous.

According to the word of God,the dead are raised at the time of the great tribulation.

Were the dead raised in 70 AD or not?

 

[Jan001]

What part of the word "bodies" are you having trouble understanding?
"The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life."
Matthew 27:52

This resurrection was like Jesus' friend Lazarus' resurrection. He did not receive his glorified body when he rose from the dead. After these "raised" holy people showed themselves in Jerusalem, they returned their mortal bodies to their graves, and then their spirits ascended into heaven with Jesus to await Jesus' second coming. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

Jesus had a body and He was taken up. So we assume they were taken up in the same way Jesus was. Even He ate a fish to prove He had a body. Although we are told there will be no more death.

I do not assume that. Physical death is not completely destroyed on earth until Jesus' second coming. The righteous will get their immortal bodies on that day.

We do eat from the tree of life in Heaven. Of course the tree does not die and continues to produce fruit.

After our bodies are glorified, we cannot ever get weak, or sick, or die. We can eat if we want to eat, but we won't have to eat to stay alive.

 

[Jan001]

According to the word of God,the dead are raised at the time of the great tribulation.

Were the dead raised in 70 AD or not?

The spirits of those who died in the great tribulation in the first century AD either ascended into heaven or descended into hell.

Not every verse or passage of the Bible is the "literal" word of God: avoiding the use of exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment.

 

[tailgator]

The spirits of those who died in the great tribulation in the first century AD either ascended into heaven or descended into hell.

Not every verse or passage of the Bible is the "literal" word of God: avoiding the use of exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment.

And you say ,them who slept in the dust of the earth were raised in 70 AD?
Some to everlasting life and others to everlasting contempt?
Yes or no?


Mathew 25:46
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Yes or no,?

 

[tailgator]

The spirits of those who died in the great tribulation in the first century AD either ascended into heaven or descended into hell.

Not every verse or passage of the Bible is the "literal" word of God: avoiding the use of exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment.

I noticed you keep avoiding the question.
Let's make the question very clear .

Were the dead raised to everlasting life or everlasting shame in 70 ad ?

Yes or no?

 

[Diamond72]

This resurrection was like Jesus' friend Lazarus' resurrection.

My heart stopped twice and needed a defibulaor to get going again. Does that mean I have already been resurrected twice?

After our bodies are glorified, we cannot ever get weak, or sick, or die. We can eat if we want to eat, but we won't have to eat to stay alive.

Tree of Life in Heaven:​

• Book of Revelation: The Tree of Life reappears in the Book of Revelation, symbolizing eternal life in the new heaven and new earth. > "Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." (Revelation 22:1-2)

Heavenly Manna:​

• Spiritual Nourishment: In Christian theology, "heavenly manna" can be understood as a metaphor for the spiritual sustenance and life given by God, especially through Jesus Christ.

The concept of manna serves as a powerful symbol of God's provision and care for His people, both in physical sustenance and spiritual nourishment. If you're interested in more biblical themes or related topics, let me know!

Jesus and the Bread of Life: In the New Testament, Jesus refers to himself as the "bread of life," drawing a parallel between manna and the spiritual nourishment he provides. > "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." (John 6:51)

 

[Jan001]

And you say ,them who slept in the dust of the earth were raised in 70 AD?
Some to everlasting life and others to everlasting contempt?
Yes or no?

No.

After Jesus rose from the dead in 33 AD, the spirits of all the righteous in the "Abraham's bosom" part of Hades were raised to heaven. They are in heaven so they do not need to fear the second death (hellfire). However, the spirits who were in the hell part of Hades will remain there forever. Once, a person arrives in hellfire, he cannot ever leave. Luke 16:19-26

Mathew 25:46
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Yes or no,?

Neither.

A person is judged by Jesus as soon as he dies. His spirit will then go his own prepared place immediately. The persons who are condemned to hell can never leave hell.

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment, 28 so also Christ, offered once to take away the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to take away sin but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await him.

The righteous will go to Jesus' Father's house where Jesus has prepared a place for him.

John 14:2 In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?

The unrighteous will find his own place in the fire of hell.

Acts 1:25 to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas turned away to go to his own place.”

The judgment of the sheep and goats is when the judgment of each person is made known to everyone who has ever lived. This sheep and goats judgment narrative symbolically shows us that after Jesus' second coming, it will be made known to every person who has ever lived who was saved and who was lost, and why.

Billions of people cannot literally, physically stand near God's throne on Jesus' left and right sides.

 

[Jan001]

My heart stopped twice and needed a defibulaor to get going again. Does that mean I have already been resurrected twice?

No. Your physical body has to die and not be able to be resuscitated before you can be brought back/raised to life like Lazarus. He was in the tomb for four days and his body was already decaying. Jesus raised his physical body from the dead. Later on, he physically died and his body was entombed again. His body is now still awaiting its resurrection at Jesus' second coming. John 11:17-27

 

[tailgator]

No.

After Jesus rose from the dead in 33 AD, the spirits of all the righteous in the "Abraham's bosom" part of Hades were raised to heaven. They are in heaven so they do not need to fear the second death (hellfire). However, the spirits who were in the hell part of Hades will remain there forever. Once, a person arrives in hellfire, he cannot ever leave. Luke 16:19-26

Neither.

A person is judged by Jesus as soon as he dies. His spirit will then go his own prepared place immediately. The persons who are condemned to hell can never leave hell.

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment, 28 so also Christ, offered once to take away the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to take away sin but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await him.

The righteous will go to Jesus' Father's house where Jesus has prepared a place for him.

John 14:2 In my Father’s house there are many dwelling places. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?

The unrighteous will find his own place in the fire of hell.

Acts 1:25 to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas turned away to go to his own place.”

The judgment of the sheep and goats is when the judgment of each person is made known to everyone who has ever lived. This sheep and goats judgment narrative symbolically shows us that after Jesus' second coming, it will be made known to every person who has ever lived who was saved and who was lost, and why.

Billions of people cannot literally, physically stand near God's throne on Jesus' left and right sides.

Then the time of the end was not in 70 AD.

The word of God says at the time the great tribulation takes place is the time them who are in the dust of the earth awakens to everlasting life or everlasting contempt.

Thank you for agreeing this prophecy was not fulfilled in 33 AD or 70 AD.It is still not fulfilled because the dead are raised at the time of great tribulation.Not 37 years before great tribulation.

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.​

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[tailgator]

Billions of people cannot literally, physically stand near God's throne on Jesus' left and right sides.

He said before.
You need to explain to Jesus that people can not stand before him.Maybe you can convince Jesus that he is wrong and you will not stand before him.

Mathew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

 

[Diamond72]

Your physical body has to die and not be able to be resuscitated

The fire chief told me my chance of being resuscitated was one in 1200.

One in 1200 is approximately 0.0833%
Percentage=(11200)×100
So, 11200×100=0.0833%.

That does not take into consideration what brain damage may have taken place.

Hypothermia can slow down metabolic processes, potentially allowing for successful resuscitation even after prolonged periods of cardiac arrest. The body's reduced need for oxygen in such a cold state can help preserve brain and organ function, making resuscitation possible under the right conditions.

 

[Diamond72]

The word of God says at the time the great tribulation takes place is the time them who are in the dust of the earth awakens to everlasting life or everlasting contempt.

So you are Premillennial not Amillennial or Postmillennial?

 

[tailgator]

So you are Premillennial not Amillennial or Postmillennial?

Daniel 12:1-2 is about Daniels people.


"thy people "

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

I'm not saying that no one else will be saved at that time ,this this says "thy people".Not the whole world.


I'm premill.
Jesus comes are raises Israel before the 1000 years.

 

[Diamond72]

Daniel 12:1-2 is about Daniels people.

Matthew 25 32 Jesus tells us: All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Jesus knows more about this than Daniel.

 

[tailgator]

Matthew 25 32 Jesus tells us: All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

Jesus knows more about this than Daniel.

I don't believe all the dead are raised on that day like the revelation of Jesus Christ says.
If you want to believe the revelation of Jesus Christ is wrong then you will preach that this is wrong.

Revelation 20
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[Diamond72]

If you want to believe the revelation of Jesus Christ is wrong

Why are you slandering me in violation of the rules?

 

[tailgator]

Why are you slandering me in violation of the rules?

I thought you didn't believe revelation 20 like the OP.I guess I mistook you for someone else.

As concerning your post.All nations do stand before Christ ,but not everyone is resurected first like the first fruits that are redeemed from.the ground.

The great multitude that comes out of great tribulation are not resurected.

 

[Diamond72]

The great multitude that comes out of great tribulation are not resurected.

I do not plan to live long enough to see the "great" tribulation. Because I see the 144,000 as very instrumental in that and right now they are highly slandered.

The 144,000:​

• Biblical Reference: The 144,000 are mentioned in Revelation 7:1-8 and Revelation 14:1-5.
• Identity: They are often described as a group of 144,000 individuals from the twelve tribes of Israel who are sealed by God to be protected during the Great Tribulation.
• Role: Many interpretations suggest that these individuals will be instrumental in spreading the message of salvation and serving God during the Tribulation. They are seen as a symbol of the faithful and pure who stand firm in their faith amidst the trials.