Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[dlamberth]

How does this supersede gravity exactly?

Turn your question around towards God. It has more to do with how "Infinite Divine LOVE" raises one towards God.

Why do you say it was a long period of time? Yes things moved. Over how much time and why etc is the question.

It's not a question at all. The Earth itSelf, as Created by God, is letting us know these things.

 

[truthpls]

But MAID is a GOVERNMENT program.

Right, just as the bad candy on Halloween was a program.

Keyword in that sentence is GOVERNMENT. You're argument that somehow science is to blame is ridiculous and nonsensical.

Science must share the blame for how it is used. If you want to claim that all people are not sinners as Scripture says, and therefore whatever mankind has is benign and just used improperly or something, then good luck with that. All things introduced into earth will be used for bad. Science is like that bad lady introducing things to our bags on Halloween. How do believers know that much of science is bad? Easy. ANYTHING that exalts itself or opposes God and His word is bad. Period. Science has a PHD in that!

You're putting words in my mouth. Bad look for a Christian, buddy.

No, I am telling you that belief in creation as Jesus and the apostles and prophets and angels have is not personal interpretation.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Right, just as the bad candy on Halloween was a program.

Science must share the blame for how it is used. If you want to claim that all people are not sinners as Scripture says, and therefore whatever mankind has is benign and just used improperly or something, then good luck with that. All things introduced into earth will be used for bad. Science is like that bad lady introducing things to our bags on Halloween. How do believers know that much of science is bad? Easy. ANYTHING that exalts itself or opposes God and His word is bad. Period. Science has a PHD in that!

No, I am telling you that belief in creation as Jesus and the apostles and prophets and angels have is not personal interpretation.

Your whole line of argument is nothing more than "SCIENCE IS TO BLAME! THAT SETTLES IT!".

Well, with AV gone for his usual away from the website, it makes sense we'd have another one like him to take his place. You're just as intellectually lazy as him too.

 

[truthpls]

Turn your question around towards God. It has more to do with how "Infinite Divine LOVE" raises one towards God.

But how does it specify how gravity is superseded? The answer is we don't know.

It's not a question at all. The Earth itSelf, as Created by God, is letting us know these things.

How would 'Adam was created by God' translate into Adam was created billions of years ago? How would evidence of a spot moving in Yellowstone be evidence that it was millions of years ago? Being created by God does not make it super old.

 

[truthpls]

Your whole line of argument is nothing more than "SCIENCE IS TO BLAME! THAT SETTLES IT!".

Science is part of the problem, not part of the solution. What is to 'settle'?

Well, with AV gone for his usual away from the website, it makes sense we'd have another one like him to take his place. You're just as intellectually lazy as him too.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Science is part of the problem, not part of the solution. What is to 'settle'?

And the 'problem' really just boils down to "Everyone but me refuses to follow this particular line of literal reading of the Bible", and that's all it is.

Flattery will get you nowhere.

Check the ego, buddy.

 

[dlamberth]

But how does it specify how gravity is superseded? The answer is we don't know.

Yes, we do know...at least those who know "Infinite Divine LOVE" know.

How would 'Adam was created by God' translate into Adam was created billions of years ago? How would evidence of a spot moving in Yellowstone be evidence that it was millions of years ago? Being created by God does not make it super old.

About Adam, that's from an old Creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of nomadic desert dwellers. The Earth, as Created by God, is telling a very different story, one of change and evolution over long periods of time.

 

[Vambram]

A ministry that employs people with scientific credentials to put a sciency veneer on their theology is still just a ministry.

In your opinion.

 

[truthpls]

And the 'problem' really just boils down to "Everyone but me refuses to follow this particular line of literal reading of the Bible", and that's all it is.

Jesus followed it. How would anyone deny the creation by God as we are given it in the book? Jesus said the from the beginning man and woman were a certain way, referring to Adam and Eve. Why would we pretend that Jesus was confused or wrong?

Check the ego, buddy.

Do not call simple faith ego.

 

[truthpls]

Yes, we do know...at least those who know "Infinite Divine LOVE" know.

Can they post the details then, about how infinite love affects gravity?

About Adam, that's from an old Creation story of an ancient middle-eastern tribe of nomadic desert dwellers.

Jesus did not agree nor anyone else in the bible.

The Earth, as Created by God, is telling a very different story, one of change and evolution over long periods of time.

Some people think that they hear God whispering in their ear telling them to kill people or whatever. Some people think He speaks through tea leaves or dice. Others think God speaks by interpreting evidence in a way that makes Him look like an inept liar who is confused about how things really got here. Others know they hear God by reading what He said, and what Jesus confirmed.

 

[BCP1928]

Can they post the details then, about how infinite love affects gravity?

Jesus did not agree nor anyone else in the bible.

Some people think that they hear God whispering in their ear telling them to kill people or whatever. Some people think He speaks through tea leaves or dice. Others think God speaks by interpreting evidence in a way that makes Him look like an inept liar who is confused about how things really got here. Others know they hear God by reading what He said, and what Jesus confirmed.

The Bible never specifically states the age of the Earth, and Jesus certainly never confirmed it.

 

[Vambram]

The Bible never specifically states the age of the Earth, and Jesus certainly never confirmed it.

Jesus Christ did confirm that Adam and Eve were actually real people when He quoted from Genesis 1-3. The Apostle Paul also confirmed Adam was the first man and it was through Adam where Paul wrote about the original sin.


Romans 5:12-19

Also, Luke 3:23-38 gives the genealogy of Jesus Christ all the way back to Noah and back to Adam

 

[BCP1928]

Jesus Christ did confirm that Adam and Eve were actually real people when He quoted from Genesis 1-3. The Apostle Paul also confirmed Adam was the first man and it was through Adam where Paul wrote about the original sin.


Romans 5:12-19

Which still doesn't tell us anything about the age of the Earth.

Also, Luke 3:23-38 gives the genealogy of Jesus Christ all the way back to Noah and back to Adam

Which Luke didn't write himself and didn't really vouch for, "...as was supposed" merely reported.

 

[Vambram]

Which still doesn't tell us anything about the age of the Earth.

Which Luke didn't write himself and didn't really vouch for, "...as was supposed" merely reported.

Are you doubting the factual genealogy in Luke chapter 3? The "as was supposed" is specifically talking about Jesus being the son of Joseph. In the first century, those who knew about Jesus but didn't know He was born of a virgin believed He was the biological son of Joseph.

May I ask how you interpret Romans 5:12-19 along with Genesis chapters 1-3.

 

[truthpls]

The Bible never specifically states the age of the Earth, and Jesus certainly never confirmed it.

We know about when Noah lived and Abraham. We know Methuselah lived almost up to the flood time. We know that Adam's firstborn male children are listed right on up to Noah. So while we may not know the exact year for certain, we do know within a few hundred years or so. There is no mystery about some millions of years in the bible whatsoever.
Paul talked of Adam also.
"The first man Adam became a living being;"
Also in 1 Tim Paul says this "For Adam was formed first, then Eve-"
The books of Moses also speak of Adam.

So does Dr Luke "Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God"

So did Jude the brother of Jesus "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints-"
Creation also is spoken about clearly all over the place such as
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. (Col)
John talked about 'in the beginning' also.

In Heb it talks of how Jesus created it all as well
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

The book of Rev as well.

The creation of the world is also cited in the book of Romans

In Jeremiah as well....etc
I am not sure where you get off pretending that this reality of the bible is some little interpretation or subject to doubt.

 

[dlamberth]

Can they post the details then, about how infinite love affects gravity?

Your still looking at it upside down. "Infinite Divine LOVE" opens a person soul towards the Divine. Try being aware of what the effects of God's "Infinate Divine LOVE" might be like rather than a focusing on gravity. One is a spiritual pull towards the Divine, the other is a pull towards the Earth. Two different things there.

Some people think that they hear God whispering in their ear telling them to kill people or whatever. Some people think He speaks through tea leaves or dice. Others think God speaks by interpreting evidence in a way that makes Him look like an inept liar who is confused about how things really got here. Others know they hear God by reading what He said, and what Jesus confirmed.

I just do not under the idea that what God's own Creation is showing us about itSelf is making God out to be a liar. That makes no sense to me. It's God's Creation after all. And when the Earth is showing itSelf to be of a very old age, that's God's Creation as Created by God that's showing us that Truth.

 

[Hans Blaster]

In your opinion.

Well a ministry that employs people with scientific credentials to put a sciency veneer on their theology sure isn't a scientific organization.

 

[Vambram]

Well a ministry that employs people with scientific credentials to put a sciency veneer on their theology sure isn't a scientific organization.

In your opinion it is a sciency veneer. On that website, the majority of the articles appear to be written by scientists. I would like for you to check for yourself on the website for the veracity of my assertion regarding creation.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

In your opinion it is a sciency veneer.

I was being generous.

On that website, the majority of the articles appear to be written by scientists. I would like for you to check for yourself on the website for the veracity of my assertion regarding creation.com

I've been to that site before. It never fails to fail.

 

[BCP1928]

In your opinion it is a sciency veneer. On that website, the majority of the articles appear to be written by scientists. I would like for you to check for yourself on the website for the veracity of my assertion regarding creation.com

We are well familiar with creation.com, their arguments and the works of the 'scientists' who write for it. It's an apologetics site for YECs. I don't have much use for it as science, but then, as a Tradional Christian, I haven't much use for their hermeneutical framework either.