His statement in Georgia to find 11,780 votes was taken out of context by the media. The question
he asked had to do with what he needed to win Georgia. He wasn't asking the Georgia Sec of State
to put in phony votes, as the media tries to spin.
You're right - he wasn't asking him to put in phony votes (at least not outright). He just wanted him to come out and say that Trump won the state, even though the vote count at the time said otherwise. The whole phone call is them refuting one Trump conspiracy theory after another, and shooting down the false numbers that Trump offers up over and over again. Not to mention, Trump does the usual talking out of both sides of his mouth - saying he wants a fair count, but then proposing that they go against what was counted and go instead with Trump's "numbers".
Here's a few snippets. Perhaps you can explain how these are being "taken out of context"? In fact - if you put them in context with the rest of his actions around the 2020 election, you can see a very clear pattern.
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So before the first excerpt below, Trump offers up a bunch of conspiracy theories saying why he should have won Georgia. The Georgia secretary of state (Brad Raffensperger) and his general counsel (Ryan Germany) tell him that none of those things are true, and that many of the things which Trump suggested have been investigated and found to be false -
and that the actual vote count does not show a Trump win. Trump still clearly proposes that they go with Trump's numbers, and say that he had won. Can you explain how this in fact was just Trump (in your words, paraphrasing) 'just asking what he needed to do to win Georgia?' He's clearly asking the secretary of state to ignore the vote counts and go with Trump's numbers instead.
And Trump wants Raffensperger to say that he "recalculated" - even when he didn't? Instead that "recalculation" is actually
numbers that were provided by one of the candidates in the election (i.e. Trump)? You don't find that to be cheating or unfair?
Excerpt #1:
Trump: And so I just don’t know, you know, Mark, I don’t know what’s the purpose. I won’t give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things. But we don’t need Dominion or anything else. We have won this election in Georgia based on all of this. And there’s nothing wrong with saying that, Brad. You know I mean, having the correct — the people of Georgia are angry. And these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night. Along with others that we’re going to have by that time which are much more substantial even. And the people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry. And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated. Because the 2,236 in absentee ballots. I mean, they’re all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms law firms, etc. and even if you cut ‘em in half, cut ‘em in half and cut ‘em in half, again, it’s more votes than we need.
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Here's, of course, is the infamous quote that was played over and over again on news outlets. You can say what you want about taking it out of context. Personally there's a lot of content that I find misleading on various news segments, and the quality of the information being provided needs to be vastly improved - but that doesn't mean that I'm going to dive headlong into believing some pro-Trump news source either. This is something where the entire transcript and audio recording are right there for everyone. Putting this "in context" doesn't paint a much rosier picture, and it certainly doesn't paint a picture where Trump was just 'asking how many votes were needed to win Georgia.'
Once again, instead of using the actual vote counts which the Georgia election officials said weren't in Trump's favor, Trump proposes that the Georgia secretary of state uses Trump's numbers. The fact that he doesn't want to follow the legal election process, in my opinion, is clearly illustrated in the second sentence which highlighted in red. ("Or we can keep it going, but that's not fair to the voters of Georgia..."). Keep what going? The official ballot counting process, and the legal process for contesting the results? The official process isn't what's fair, and going with numbers provided by one of the candidates is?
So questions for you: As a proclaimed Christian, are you not to uphold truth, fairness, and the rule of law? Do you think it would have been fair and just for the Georgia secretary of state to ignore the official vote counts, and instead go with numbers
that were being provided by one of the candidates? Would you be ok with it if a Democrat were caught doing the same thing?
Excerpt #2:
Trump: I just, I just don’t know why you don’t want to have the votes counted as they are. Like even you when you went and did that check. And I was surprised because, you know …the check… And we found a few thousand votes that were against me. I was actually surprised because the way that check was done, all you’re doing is you know, recertifying existing votes and, you know, and you were given votes and you just counted them up and you still found 3,000 that were bad. So that was sort of surprising that it came down to three or five I don’t know. still a lot of votes. But you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, you’ll have hundreds of thousands because they dumped ballots into Fulton County and the other county next to it.
So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. You know, we have that in spades already. Or we can keep it going but that’s not fair to the voters of Georgia because they’re going to see what happened and they’re going to see what happened.
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One last excerpt - just to show how Trump tries to use coercion to influence the Georgia secretary of state - and tries to follow his usual pattern of threatening the jobs of people who don't do his bidding. To provide some context: Trump and his 'associates' want access to election data which they are legally not entitled to have. Earlier in the conversation, Ryan Germany (general counsel to the Georgia secretary of state) says they can follow the normal legal process - but clarifies that there is data that they cannot give out (it includes names and whatnot). Trump's team is not satisfied with following the process, and wants to do it their way.
Then the obvious attempt at coercion: Trump reminds Raffensperger that he is up for re-election, and says Raffensperger would have a better shot at getting re-elected if he came out and said Trump won the state. Is that last part 100% clearly stated in black and white? No, it's not. But put it "in context" with the rest of the conversation, and the implication is certainly there. And if you can't see it, you're a blind man.
So questions for you: As a Christian, do you find that type of behavior in an election to be fair and just? Should candidates have phone calls with state election officials and as the President of the Unites States tell them that a result in favor of their party would help them get re-elected? Basically use their position of power to try to influence the state election official? Do you find that to be ethical? Would you give a Democrat such slack if they were caught doing the same thing?
Excerpt #3:
Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum most conservative data based upon the USPS data and the secretary of state’s office data that has been made publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state. Yet, we have asked for it six times. I sent a letter over to Mr… several times requesting this information, and it’s been rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there’s something to hide. That’s the problem that we have.
Germany: Well, that’s not the case sir. There are things that you guys are entitled to get. And there’s things that under the law, we are not allowed to give out.
Trump: Well, you have to. Well, under the law you’re not allowed to give faulty election results, OK? You’re not allowed to do that. And that’s what you done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam. And because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president. Okay? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected. Really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election.
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