Russia launches first ICBM in history in warfare.

[Bradskii]

Personally, I am for the dismantling of Russia. And assisting Ukraine helps with that mission.

Are you confusing Russia with tne USSR?

 

[Aldebaran]

What? No they are not. Do you have any idea how big Russia is?

Doesn't matter the size. Populated areas far from Ukraine have been hit. The Russian citizenry is not safe.

 

[Aldebaran]

How he goes about it probably would determine that.
I can't see him throwing all they have. That would mean certain death for everyone.
We know that won't happen, though, don't we?

They wouldn't throw all they have. It would be done incrementally so that people would get used to the idea. First, they'd probably airburst a very small nuke or two over Ukraine. Maybe after that they would use a smaller one against a minor target. After the world gets used to seeing nuclear explosions multiple times in the news, then they would start using larger ones. After a while, it wouldn't seem like the "unthinkable" anymore. Incrementalism is how things become accepted over time.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Are you confusing Russia with tne USSR?

No. Why would you ask that?

 

[BCP1928]

You sure are putting a lot of faith in Putin to not do what the USA would probably do if Russia was supplying Mexican drug cartels with long range missiles that are able to strike anywhere in the USA, including Washington DC.

We might indeed be tempted if we had invaded Mexico first and the invasion was failing.

 

[Landon Caeli]

They wouldn't throw all they have. It would be done incrementally so that people would get used to the idea. First, they'd probably airburst a very small nuke or two over Ukraine. Maybe after that they would use a smaller one against a minor target. After the world gets used to seeing nuclear explosions multiple times in the news, then they would start using larger ones. After a while, it wouldn't seem like the "unthinkable" anymore. Incrementalism is how things become accepted over time.

I would be shocked if the global community would allow a single nuclear explosion from Russia. Isn't there a policy against that? That would initiate a response from NATO? Just for doing it?

 

[Bradskii]

No. Why would you ask that?

You talked about dismantling Russia. It's a single soverign state.

 

[Landon Caeli]

You talked about dismantling Russia. It's a single soverign state.

Oh! Okay, i still want to dismantle it, after what they did to my ancestral homeland. Granted, they went by a different name back then. I'm half Slovak.

...The Czech's and the Slovaks don't like Russia. We never have.

 

[Aldebaran]

We might indeed be tempted if we had invaded Mexico first and the invasion was failing.

Are you saying that just because Russia invaded Ukraine (which is something a lot of people were saying it would not happen), Russia will take that into consideration as to whether or not to just admit defeat or to use the nukes they have?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Doesn't matter the size.

It does matter when you make the claim that they're being attacked "in all parts of their country".

Populated areas far from Ukraine have been hit. The Russian citizenry is not safe.

Gee, I wonder why that might be? And what about the Ukrainian citizenry? Are they safe?

 

[Aldebaran]

It does matter when you make the claim that they're being attacked "in all parts of their country".

Gee, I wonder why that might be? And what about the Ukrainian citizenry? Are they safe?

Now you're basically admitting that I am correct, and you're just making excuses now for provoking nuclear war.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Now you're basically admitting that I am correct, and you're just making excuses now for provoking nuclear war.

Russia is at war with Ukraine and is attacking Ukraine's citizenry. Why should their citizenry expect to be safe? If Russia wants the attacks on its territory to stop, all they have to do is withdraw from Ukraine.

Your argument seems to amount to "Russia has nukes, so we have to let them do whatever they want." I don't find that the least bit reasonable.

 

[Belk]

Doesn't matter the size. Populated areas far from Ukraine have been hit. The Russian citizenry is not safe.

That is not the same as being attacked "being attacked in all parts of their country".

 

[BCP1928]

Doesn't matter the size. Populated areas far from Ukraine have been hit. The Russian citizenry is not safe.

Of course they're not safe. Their country is at war, duh!

 

[Aldebaran]

Russia is at war with Ukraine and is attacking Ukraine's citizenry. Why should their citizenry expect to be safe? If Russia wants the attacks on its territory to stop, all they have to do is withdraw from Ukraine.

Your argument seems to amount to "Russia has nukes, so we have to let them do whatever they want." I don't find that the least bit reasonable.

Did we not send guns and ammunition to Ukraine at the beginning of the invasion? But then they wanted anti tank missiles, so we gave them those as well. But that wasn't enough for them, so they wanted Stinger missiles to shoot down aircraft with and they ended up getting those too. Then it went on to advanced artillery, and then they wanted F-16s that would be only used over Ukrainian territory, eventually to end up in Russian territory where they were originally told not to go. And now we've given them long range missiles to use only in Ukraine, and then somehow they've been given permission to use them in Russia as well. Incrementalism at its best.
Do you think Russia doesn't notice?
Do you believe they'll allow it to continue forever?

 

[BCP1928]

Did we not send guns and ammunition to Ukraine at the beginning of the invasion? But then they wanted anti tank missiles, so we gave them those as well. But that wasn't enough for them, so they wanted Stinger missiles to shoot down aircraft with and they ended up getting those too. Then it went on to advanced artillery, and then they wanted F-16s that would be only used over Ukrainian territory, eventually to end up in Russian territory where they were originally told not to go. And now we've given them long range missiles to use only in Ukraine, and then somehow they've been given permission to use them in Russia as well. Incrementalism at its best.
Do you think Russia doesn't notice?
Do you believe they'll allow it to continue forever?

I expect they've noticed that they aren't exact;y winning. Maybe they should just leave Ukraine. They have no business there anyway.

 

[Aldebaran]

I expect they've noticed that they aren't exact;y winning. Maybe they should just leave Ukraine. They have no business there anyway.

Looks like you've chosen to ignore the incremental progression of events over the past year and a half and where it eventually leads.

 

[BCP1928]

Looks like you've chosen to ignore the incremental progression of events over the past year and a half and where it eventually leads.

So let's give in and hand Ukraine to Putin over the threat of nuclear war. That used to be called "appeasement' and was frowned upon. But we can always start a pool over which country he will invade next.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Looks like you've chosen to ignore the incremental progression of events over the past year and a half and where it eventually leads.

I'm curious how things might play out after Trump is sworn into office. In your opinion, at what point will Russia stop invading it's neighbors. Will it require a line to be drawn in the sand by Trump or the West? Or will it continue on, should any other central European Nation attempt relationships with NATO countries?

IOW, at what point exactly should the West bow-up to Russia?

 

[BCP1928]

I'm curious how things might play out after Trump is sworn into office. In your opinion, at what point will Russia stop invading it's neighbors. Will it require a line to be draw a line in the sand by the West? Or will it continue on, should anyone other central European Nation attempt relationships with NATO countries?

IOW, at what point exactly should the West bow-up to Russia?

Russia is no match for NATO militarily--Putin can barely make headway in Ukraine. But if he knows the West will back down from a threat of nukes he can pretty much do what he wants anyway.