As Trump Drains the Swamp, Which Alphabet Agencies Should Go First?

[QvQ]

In addition some of these same agencies also enforce the codes that they write. They serve as the Legislative and the Executive, thereby undermining the separation of powers, thereby undermining our Constitutional Republic.

And the Agencies collect fees, fines and penalties which are not authorized by Congress.
Agencies do not have the authority to tax or fine.
That Case is up before the Supreme Court right now.
First Chevron and now fees, fines and penalties.

Originally the ATF, Secret Service and other Agencies were Treasury.
For Instance:
The Secret Service was originally created to investigate counterfeiting and was used thereafter to enforce Federal Law on Federal Land.
During the 1800s many cattlemen were grazing, fencing and otherwise claiming Federal Land as "private property" based on previous use and gun law. There were "range wars." The Secret Service sorted that out.
There were also homesteaders, loggers, sheepmen and others illegaly claiming and using Federal Land.
Agencies can be consolidated and/or redefined.

 

[BCP1928]

THE CHEVRON DECISION, SAYS YOU ARE WRONG. These agencies are often accused of this.... It does not matter now. It is out of their hands.

I see. Well, nobody likes to be told what to do by people who think they know better. But I think you are wrong about the Chevron decision. It does not place regulatory authority in the hands of the courts. What it is, is a challenge to Congress to be more specific in the laws that it passes and not give so much scope for interpretation of the law to the regulatory agencies.

 

[Chesterton]

..aahhh, eliminate the locations where most get their voter IDs.

That's weird if that's true. Like going to Pizza Hut to get your fried chicken.

 

[BCP1928]

That's weird if that's true. Like going to Pizza Hut to get your fried chicken.

What other alternatives are there for people who need a state-issued photo ID?

 

[Chesterton]

What other alternatives are there for people who need a state-issued photo ID?

Where I live you go to the voter ID office to get a voter ID.

 

[BCP1928]

Where I live you go to the voter ID office to get a voter ID.

In my state all we get from the voter office is a paper card without a photo which is not sufficient. We need a state-issued photo ID to actually vote.

 

[Chesterton]

In my state all we get from the voter office is a paper card without a photo which is not sufficient. We need a state-issued photo ID to actually vote.

That sounds like a great idea. Probably explains why the Dems couldn't steal NC all three times Trump has won.

 

[BCP1928]

That sounds like a great idea. Probably explains why the Dems couldn't steal NC all three times Trump has won.

It didn't prevent the Democrats from electing a Democratic governor.

 

[ralliann]

I see. Well, nobody likes to be told what to do by people who think they know better. But I think you are wrong about the Chevron decision. It does not place regulatory authority in the hands of the courts.

You say this
Then this????

What it is, is a challenge to Congress to be more specific in the laws that it passes and not give so much scope for interpretation of the law to the regulatory agencies.

AND NOT GIVE "SO MUCH".... "SCOPE FOR INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW." to agencies......
Right : IN OTHER WORDS>>>>The courts will interpret the law, not the agencies. It is in the courts "SCOPE" (ie, so much power/authority) ,to do that!
Geesh

 

[ralliann]

In my state all we get from the voter office is a paper card without a photo which is not sufficient. We need a state-issued photo ID to actually vote.

In a federal election, it should be federal.....Issue..

 

[DaisyDay]

In a federal election, it should be federal.....Issue..

The only thing close to a federal id would be a passport. Most people don't have one, afaik.

Elections are run by the states and counties. The states determine the rules.

 

[QvQ]

Elections are run by the states and counties. The states determine the rules.

You would think
But Arizona passed an ID to vote law and the 9th Circuit said that it could not apply to Federal
Arizona only had the power to make and enforce State Voter Laws.
So Arizona has two ballots, one for people with ID who vote for State and Federal and another ballot with only Federal Offices.

It is interesting that the Courts, specifically the 9th Circuit has struck down every attempt to clean up elections
The Courts have also said the States can't pass or enforce immigration laws within the States on the excuse that it is Federal only
Now the States, specifically Colorado, California and Illinois are saying the Feds don't have the power to enforce Federal immigration laws within the States.

 

[BCP1928]

In a federal election, it should be federal.....Issue..

LOL Sure. When I went to get my RealID I had a passport and not a birth certificate and the DMV turned me down flat and snarky, saying that the State of North Carolina did not recognize a valid US passport as any form of ID at all, much less proof of citizenship. Just to be snarky back I used it the next time I voted to meet the requirement for a gov't issued photo ID. That required a conference of the polling place officials and a couple of phone calls. They let me vote, but clearly didn't like it. I sent for a copy of my birth certificate and the DMV finally gave me a RealID, but it's a new format that the TSA doesn't recognize so I still use my passport on domestic flights.

 

[BCP1928]

You say this
Then this????

AND NOT GIVE "SO MUCH".... "SCOPE FOR INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW." to agencies......
Right : IN OTHER WORDS>>>>The courts will interpret the law, not the agencies. It is in the courts "SCOPE" (ie, so much power/authority) ,to do that!
Geesh

Only in contested cases. They won't be writing the regulations themselves.

 

[DaisyDay]

You would think
But Arizona passed an ID to vote law and the 9th Circuit said that it could not apply to Federal
Arizona only had the power to make and enforce State Voter Laws.
So Arizona has two ballots, one for people with ID who vote for State and Federal and another ballot with only Federal Offices.

Is that because the state & local elections that these ids are valid for don't require the voter to be citizens? Only citizens can vote in federal elections, but states and municipalities can make different rules for themselves.

But either way, a federal id is not necessary to vote while a state id is.

It is interesting that the Courts, specifically the 9th Circuit has struck down every attempt to clean up elections
The Courts have also said the States can't pass or enforce immigration laws within the States on the excuse that it is Federal only
Now the States, specifically Colorado, California and Illinois are saying the Feds don't have the power to enforce Federal immigration laws within the States.

States were never authorized to enforce immigration laws as that impacts foreign relations. I haven't heard that states say that the feds don't have enforcement powers within the states, rather that the states cannot not be compelled to cooperate.

 

[QvQ]

Is that because the state & local elections that these ids are valid for don't require the voter to be citizens? Only citizens can vote in federal elections, but states and municipalities can make different rules for themselves.

In Arizona
A birth certificate is required to obtain a State ID. A State ID entitles a person to vote in State and Federal Elections (Full Ballot Voter)

Federal
A person is not required to submit proof of citizenship with the voter registration form, but failure to do so means the person will only be eligible to vote in federal elections (known as being a “federal only” voter). A “federal only” voter will become eligible to vote a “full ballot” in all federal, state, county and local elections if he or she later provides valid proof of citizenship to the appropriate County Recorder’s office.
"
The only thing required to vote in Federal Elections is a utility bill or other proof of residency.
Proof of Citizenship is Not required in Federal Elections

Register Now | Citizens Clean Elections Commission

www.azcleanelections.gov

 

[DaisyDay]

In Arizona
A birth certificate is required to obtain a State ID. A State ID entitles a person to vote in State and Federal Elections (Full Ballot Voter)

Federal
A person is not required to submit proof of citizenship with the voter registration form, but failure to do so means the person will only be eligible to vote in federal elections (known as being a “federal only” voter). A “federal only” voter will become eligible to vote a “full ballot” in all federal, state, county and local elections if he or she later provides valid proof of citizenship to the appropriate County Recorder’s office.
"
The only thing required to vote in Federal Elections is a utility bill or other proof of residency.
Proof of Citizenship is Not required in Federal Elections

Register Now | Citizens Clean Elections Commission

www.azcleanelections.gov

That's odd. Do you know what the case was that resulted in this?

 

[RDKirk]

There is a lot of chatter within the Republican Congress to pull to get Trumps agenda accomplished, that the American People have made it clear that they stand with Trump.

To get Trump's agenda accomplished, there will have to be a lot of damage done to the Constitution.

I do understand that Trump voters don't actually care about that, as long as they get the results they want.

 

[RDKirk]

Reality: The chevron decision. That is exactly what that decision concerned. It did happen.

Filling an agency with idealogue experts is the problem. Relying on those certain experts, as "the experts. no more. The Daniel Penny trial can serve as an example. Both sides had medical experts, disagree. Therefore, the jury each one takes into consideration, the arguments of each. They cancel each other out. Good thing because the trial should be about if Penny had the right to self defense, not what killed the victim..

You're not talking about the Executive Bureaucracy in either case.

 

[RDKirk]

Well i would like to see the Dept of Education go for one. But when you look at the shear number of them, I have no idea where to start. When you start looking at them all it's mind boggling.
I would absolutely abolish the IRS and replace it with a flat tax. But it would take me some time to go through the list and see what they do. Hours worth of work. Just goes to show how bloated this government is.

You would still have to have an IRS even to handle the administration of a flat tax. There was a federal tax service even before there was an income tax. Someone has to read the mail and answer the phones.