Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why

[Apple Sky]

What was placed INside the firmament.

 

[prodromos]

Firmament

Firmament

realworldproof.univer.se

So you trust some nameless dude who put together a website. OK

 

[prodromos]

Moondogs

are also —> caused by reflection of moonlight off a curved surface

That is just a claim this nameless dude with a website made with no evidence to back it up.

The Firmament reflects light.

So we should see evidence of that all the time in all kinds of conditions. Strangely, we don't.

Moondogs and Sundogs are seen in the winter.

Why are they never seen in Summer? It's because they are caused by refraction of light through ice crystals floating in the air, something you rarely get in Summer. They are not caused by reflection off any firmament.

 

[Apple Sky]

Why are they never seen in Summer? It's because they are caused by refraction of light through ice crystals floating in the air, something you rarely get in Summer. They are not caused by reflection off any firmament.

It really puzzles why there are so many Christians who do not believe in God's handy work, the firmament.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.

 

[prodromos]

It really puzzles why there are so many Christians who do not believe in God's handy work, the firmament.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.

There isn't anything which matches what you claim it to be.

I also note you do not have an answer to my question. If sun-dogs and moon-dogs are simply caused by reflections off the 'firmament' then there is no reason why they should not occur in Summer as well as Winter. They don't, because they are not what you or your anonymous source claim them to be.

 

[Apple Sky]

If sun-dogs and moon-dogs are simply caused by reflections off the 'firmament' then there is no reason why they should not occur in Summer as well as Winter

But they do, when I saw a sun-dog it was during the summer.

 

[prodromos]

But they do, when I saw a sun-dog it was during the summer.

What was the temperature? I can't imagine a Welsh Summer being particularly warm.
A Welsh Summer is like Winter here in Sydney, Australia.

 

[Apple Sky]

What was the temperature? I can't imagine a Welsh Summer being particularly warm.
A Welsh Summer is like Winter here in Sydney, Australia.

It's warm.

 

[prodromos]

It's warm.

Relative to what? 5°Celsius is considered warm in Wisconsin, where it gets to below -40°Celsius. Like I said above, your Summers are akin to my Winters.

You still haven't shown how light reflecting off a dome would produce the sun-dog or moon-dog phenomena. Where are the experimental models which prove your claim?

 

[Apple Sky]

Where are the experimental models which prove your claim?

I reckon @Lost4words would love this model

 

[Lost4words]

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[prodromos]

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I reckon @Lost4words would love this model

So no answer then. It's just a baseless claim after all.

 

[Apple Sky]

So no answer then. It's just a baseless claim after all.

Why don't you believe that there is a firmament ?

 

[prodromos]

Why don't you believe that there is a firmament ?

I believe there is a firmament. I do not believe it is what you claim it to be.

 

[Apple Sky]

I believe there is a firmament. I do not believe it is what you claim it to be.

It's not what I claim it to be it's what God claims it to be.

 

[prodromos]

It's not what I claim it to be it's what God claims it to be.

No, you've fixed on one of a number of definitions for the word.

And I note that you are desperately avoiding answering the question.

 

[Apple Sky]

And I note that you are desperately avoiding answering the question.

What this question ' Where are the experimental models which prove your claim?'
There are none.

 

[David Lamb]

I don't understand, I never said that sun dogs were biblical

Sorry for the misunderstanding, which is probably my fault for being unclear. Here is what I wrote again, but using slightly different, and I trust clearer, wording:

"So what makes your source more trustworthy than mine? Because the bible doesn't even mention sundogs, or reflections of the firmament, it wouldn't be right to say that one source agrees with the bible and the other doesn't, so what do you base your trust in your source on?"

I certainly didn't mean to suggest that you had said that sun dogs were biblical, and I am really sorry if I gave you that impression. Hopefully what I meant is clearer now.

 

[Apple Sky]

"So what makes your source more trustworthy than mine? Because the bible doesn't even mention sundogs, or reflections of the firmament, it wouldn't be right to say that one source agrees with the bible and the other doesn't, so what do you base your trust in your source on?"

I know that the Bible doesn't mention sun-dogs but I place my source on God's word of there being a firmament so therefore sun-dogs are IMO a reflection off the firmament as are moon-dogs & rainbows.

 

[Apple Sky]

Mozart featured the firmament in his play 'The Magic Flute' and strangely enough he died at the age of 36 after it.