Pregnant Teenager Nevaeh Crain Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

[Larniavc]

If I was a doctor there i would have saved the girl.

How many times will this law have to discussed before people stop saying ‘yes, it is the doctors who are wrong’.

 

[Larniavc]

Either you care about human life or you care about following the law.

Exactly. This law forces people to choose.

 

[Larniavc]

Well i guess I should clarify. It makes me wonder about the quality of some of the doctors there.

But if the law was not there, NONE is this issue would exist. Blame the law makers for doing something that CLEARLY causes maternal deaths to increase with no reduction in abortions.

 

[Merrill]

The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

Hours later, she was dead.

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There is a federal law to prevent emergency room doctors from withholding lifesaving care.

No state has done more to fight this interpretation than Texas, which has warned doctors that its abortion ban supersedes the administration’s guidance on federal law, and that they can face up to 99 years in prison for violating it.

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Currently, the courts have blocked the federal government from asserting federal law is supreme over state law.

I have heard a couple stories like this, and one detail is always left out

Did Crain want the baby to live, and did she intend on delivering it?

If the answer to that question is yes, it completely changes the narrative. No doctor is going to perform an abortion on a 6 month fetus against the mother's wishes.

The other thing that isn't mentioned here is:

Even in states with much more liberal abortion laws, the procedure is seldom done at 6 months, and restrictions would exist. In other words, this has NOTHING to do with a 4 week abortion ban, etc. This would have happened in Arizona, where abortion is permitted until 18 weeks, but restricted beyond that.

I am not arguing for the Texas law, but I will point out that this story amounts to spin

 

[Nithavela]

I have heard a couple stories like this, and one detail is always left out

Did Crain want the baby to live, and did she intend on delivering it?

If the answer to that question is yes, it completely changes the narrative. No doctor is going to perform an abortion on a 6 month fetus against the mother's wishes.

The other thing that isn't mentioned here is:

Even in states with much more liberal abortion laws, the procedure is seldom done at 6 months, and restrictions would exist. In other words, this has NOTHING to do with a 4 week abortion ban, etc. This would have happened in Arizona, where abortion is permitted until 18 weeks, but restricted beyond that.

I am not arguing for the Texas law, but I will point out that this story amounts to spin

What a confused comment. The fetus was DEAD.

 

[comana]

I have heard a couple stories like this, and one detail is always left out

Did Crain want the baby to live, and did she intend on delivering it?

If the answer to that question is yes, it completely changes the narrative. No doctor is going to perform an abortion on a 6 month fetus against the mother's wishes.

The other thing that isn't mentioned here is:

Even in states with much more liberal abortion laws, the procedure is seldom done at 6 months, and restrictions would exist. In other words, this has NOTHING to do with a 4 week abortion ban, etc. This would have happened in Arizona, where abortion is permitted until 18 weeks, but restricted beyond that.

I am not arguing for the Texas law, but I will point out that this story amounts to spin

Yes, she did want the baby. The article states that and her first trip to the ED was on the day of her baby shower. The problem the doctors had is that an abortion is illegal I’d a heartbeat is detected. There is added confusion when interpreting the law in cases of emergency.

By the time a hospital agrees to admit her, the baby was dead and she was dying of sepsis.

 

[rturner76]

I lived in Texas for a year, and it's almost like a whole different country. There were signs on the highway saying, "Don't Mess With Texas," and you learn pretty quickly that if you "mess" with someone in Texas, it might be the last thing you do.

 

[Nithavela]

I lived in Texas for a year, and it's almost like a whole different country. There were signs on the highway saying, "Don't Mess With Texas," and you learn pretty quickly that if you "mess" with someone in Texas, it might be the last thing you do.

And of course messing with someone includes just being in their general vicinity if they are mad on the road and decide to relieve some stress by shooting at random cars.

 

[Merrill]

What a confused comment. The fetus was DEAD.

Didn't you read the OP and article

it said there was a heartbeat. The fetus wasn't dead

 

[rjs330]

How many times will this law have to discussed before people stop saying ‘yes, it is the doctors who are wrong’.

I don't see it will ever end until doctors start doing their job.

 

[rjs330]

But if the law was not there, NONE is this issue would exist. Blame the law makers for doing something that CLEARLY causes maternal deaths to increase with no reduction in abortions.

I know right. No one would actually be guilty of murder except that we have that dumb law. We need to blame the law for that.

No, the law is clear. It's the doctors who.have failed to obey it by not saving the women's lives. And in this case it wasn't even about abortions. So I have no idea why this thread even exists.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I have heard a couple stories like this, and one detail is always left out

Did Crain want the baby to live, and did she intend on delivering it?

Yes, she and her mother are pro-life. This detail was not left out.

[Mother] Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didn’t care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions.

When they discovered Crain was pregnant with a girl, the two talked endlessly about the little dresses they could buy, what kind of mother she would be. Crain landed on the name Lillian. Fails could not wait to meet her.

But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain.

 

[Paulos23]

Didn't you read the OP and article

it said there was a heartbeat. The fetus wasn't dead

There can still be a heartbeat if the baby is braindead.

 

[rjs330]

But when her daughter got sick, Fails expected that doctors had an obligation to do everything in their power to stave off a potentially deadly emergency, even if that meant losing Lillian. In her view, they were more concerned with checking the fetal heartbeat than attending to Crain.

That goes to show how terrible the medical care was. More evidence of the medical professionals total failure.

 

[KCfromNC]

That goes to show how terrible the medical care was.

Yep, that's what happens when politicians with an axe to grind force standards of care onto the medical community. Perhaps we could learn a lesson from it?

 

[rjs330]

Yep, that's what happens when politicians with an axe to grind force standards of care onto the medical community. Perhaps we could learn a lesson from it?

Perhaps doctors should just do their job because the law doesn't prevent that. Misdiagnosing a patient isn't the fault of any law. In this case the law had nothing to do with it. If you really want to apply the law here they failed to follow it by taking care of her.

 

[rambot]

I'm curious: is there any other field of medicine where properly trained individuals can go to prison foe their lives for performing a common medical procedure? Because obstetrics seems to be rhe only one i can think of.


Perhaps doctors aren't used to having their and their families livelihood threatened.


And seeing these armchair doctors pop out of online discussion forums now is just...pedantic.

 

[rambot]

Perhaps doctors should just do their job because the law doesn't prevent that. Misdiagnosing a patient isn't the fault of any law. In this case the law had nothing to do with it. If you really want to apply the law here they failed to follow it by taking care of her.

Im curious....

how does the Texas law take care of women?

 

[rjs330]

I'm curious: is there any other field of medicine where properly trained individuals can go to prison foe their lives for performing a common medical procedure? Because obstetrics seems to be rhe only one i can think of.


Perhaps doctors aren't used to having their and their families livelihood threatened.


And seeing these armchair doctors pop out of online discussion forums now is just...pedantic.

I would guess if a doctor was deliberately killing another human being they would go to jail for that.

 

[RileyG]

Except the law allows for emergencies. So your comment is irrelevant. This case is an obvious case of really bad medical care. A failure of doctors.

It doesn't sound like a single doctor who did an abortion to save a life was prosecuted. And as quoted in tge article this was a case where an abortion wasn't absolutely necessary.

Well said.

So very sad.