How will you react if Trump wins electorally but is declared unfit to be president?

[lifepsyop]

MSN

Just ahead of the 2024 election, the current administration appears to be setting up the narrative framework that Trump is an illegitimate candidate (because he's unstable, or a fascist, or otherwise a "threat to democracy"...)

Hypothetically speaking, if Trump ends up having a clear electoral victory that is not in question....

How will you react if the current administration still attempts to block his swearing in as President by invoking some sort of state of emergency in order to deny Trump the presidency. The stated "emergency" might be that Trump is supposedly too unstable to become President, or because he stands accused of "insurrection" from J6, or any number of narratives that could be presented as the reason the administration supposedly has no choice but to block the election of Trump "to save democracy".


Will you consider this a coup attempt by the existing administration to overturn the election results?

Or you will view such an electoral denial as acceptable in order to protect democracy?

.....

As a follow-up question, (and this question is particularly for those who believe January 6th was an "Insurrection" ) if Trump wins and there is any kind of mass violence or trespassing on government property by anti-Trump protestors during the electoral confirmation process, will you likewise perceive this as an insurrection attempt to overturn the electoral process?

 

[PloverWing]

MSN

Just ahead of the 2024 election, the current administration appears to be setting up the narrative framework that Trump is an illegitimate candidate (because he's unstable, or a fascist, or otherwise a "threat to democracy"...)

What I hear is that the Democratic candidate is setting up the narrative framework that Trump would be a terrible president.

There is a difference between saying candidate X would be a terrible president, and denying that candidate X has won the election if X in fact wins the election.

How will you react if the current administration still attempts to block his swearing in as President by invoking some sort of state of emergency in order to deny Trump the presidency. The stated "emergency" might be that Trump is supposedly too unstable to become President, or because he stands accused of "insurrection" from J6, or any number of narratives that could be presented as the reason the administration supposedly has no choice but to block the election of Trump "to save democracy".

I see no hint that the current president would block the swearing in of whoever wins the election.

If the current administration tried to overturn the election results, that would be totally unacceptable. I see no reason to expect that behavior from our current administration.

If Trump wins the 2024 election, and then becomes unable to govern because of health reasons, we have President Vance. That's how the line of succession works. Not Biden or Harris. Vance.

 

[hedrick]

The scenario in the OP makes no sense. However it’s obvious that Trump is in mental decline. I can certainly imagine that in the fairly near future Vance would become President.

 

[Vambram]

Trump is not in mental decline.

 

[lifepsyop]

The scenario in the OP makes no sense.

It makes good sense I think. It would simply be the actualization of all the rhetoric (e.g. "Trump is Hitler!!!" ) coming out of the administration and legacy media.

However it’s obvious that Trump is in mental decline. I can certainly imagine that in the fairly near future Vance would become President.

So you would be strongly against any official moves to bar Trump from the presidency, (assuming he has a clear electoral victory of course) ?

 

[hedrick]

It makes good sense I think. It would simply be the actualization of all the rhetoric (e.g. "Trump is Hitler!!!" ) coming out of the administration and legacy media.



So you would be strongly against any official moves to bar Trump from the presidency, (assuming he has a clear electoral victory of course) ?

I'm in favor of following the Constitution. It has provisions to replace an incapacitated President. It would have to be done once he takes office, though I suspect if he was clearly incapable preparations could be made in advance so the amount of time would be minimal. I don't think the outgoing administration has any role in the process. Not even in an emergency. Unfortunately this leaves it primarily to Republicans to take action. I doubt they would. But I don't see any basis for the Biden administration to do anything. The Electoral College could, but again, that would mean Republicans would have to do something sane. I think that's unlikely.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I would prepare to witness the mental breakdown of the libs with Trump 2.0.

 

[High Fidelity]

He isn’t fit, morally, mentally etc.

Either way, if he wins the election then we won’t be seeing anything like he incited when he lost.

The sooner this train wreck is off the rails the better so the Republicans can have some time to reflect and move forward in better conscience with adults at the table again.

Trump has tainted politics for at least a generation, hopefully that’s recognised and reconciled ASAP by Republicans that reject populism and power over their professed faith and principles.

 

[lifepsyop]

I'm in favor of following the Constitution. It has provisions to replace an incapacitated President. It would have to be done once he takes office, though I suspect if he was clearly incapable preparations could be made in advance so the amount of time would be minimal.

And that would also be really hard sell after letting Biden go on as president these past several months.

Such a decision would be nakedly political, don't you think?

I think your example is one of the simplest ways (disguised as a lawful act) they could try to block him. It would just look so silly after Biden.

 

[Postvieww]

MSN

Just ahead of the 2024 election, the current administration appears to be setting up the narrative framework that Trump is an illegitimate candidate (because he's unstable, or a fascist, or otherwise a "threat to democracy"...)

Hypothetically speaking, if Trump ends up having a clear electoral victory that is not in question....

How will you react if the current administration still attempts to block his swearing in as President by invoking some sort of state of emergency in order to deny Trump the presidency. The stated "emergency" might be that Trump is supposedly too unstable to become President, or because he stands accused of "insurrection" from J6, or any number of narratives that could be presented as the reason the administration supposedly has no choice but to block the election of Trump "to save democracy".


Will you consider this a coup attempt by the existing administration to overturn the election results?

Or you will view such an electoral denial as acceptable in order to protect democracy?

.....

As a follow-up question, (and this question is particularly for those who believe January 6th was an "Insurrection" ) if Trump wins and there is any kind of mass violence or trespassing on government property by anti-Trump protestors during the electoral confirmation process, will you likewise perceive this as an insurrection attempt to overturn the electoral process?

If Biden could not be removed from office with his obvious issues it will be a cold day before Trump would be removed. Liberals have been trying to get rid of Trump since he announced the first time and he is stronger than ever. Liberals have tried to slander, impeach, put him in jail, shoot him twice that we know of and still he stands and will beat his incompetent , puppet opponent. This talk is just diluted liberal talk.

 

[Postvieww]

He isn’t fit, morally, mentally etc.

Either way, if he wins the election then we won’t be seeing anything like he incited when he lost.

The sooner this train wreck is off the rails the better so the Republicans can have some time to reflect and move forward in better conscience with adults at the table again.

Trump has tainted politics for at least a generation, hopefully that’s recognised and reconciled ASAP by Republicans that reject populism and power over their professed faith and principles.

Liberal propaganda.

 

[Postvieww]

So you would be strongly against any official moves to bar Trump from the presidency, (assuming he has a clear electoral victory of course) ?

Only constitution bashing liberals would even imagine such a thing.

 

[lifepsyop]

He isn’t fit, morally, mentally etc.

Either way, if he wins the election then we won’t be seeing anything like he incited when he lost.

What do you think about the questions asked in the OP? If Trump wins, it sounds like you'd be in favor of the administration invoking some kind of state of exception in order to deny him the election. "to save democracy", of course.

 

[lifepsyop]

Liberal propaganda.

I would say Regime propaganda. Most establishment cons/republicans would love to see Trump blocked as well....

(of course Republicans are generally just leftists traveling the speed limit... but i digress)

 

[High Fidelity]

What do you think about the questions asked in the OP? If Trump wins, it sounds like you'd be in favor of the administration invoking some kind of state of exception in order to deny him the election. "to save democracy", of course.

No, I think if someone is going to be denied then they should be excluded from running in the first place.

 

[ozso]

Whatever latest scheme they come up with will amount to same 'ol been there done that take a number.

 

[iarwain]

I have heard some Democrats say they will not certify Trump as president if he is elected, because "as a convicted felon and insurrectionist", he is not an eligible candidate. I don't know if these politicians plan on going through with this plot, but if they do I would consider it a blatant attempt to ignore and bypass the will of the people.

 

[FaithT]

The scenario in the OP makes no sense. However it’s obvious that Trump is in mental decline. I can certainly imagine that in the fairly near future Vance would become President.

That’s scary too.

 

[lifepsyop]

I have heard some Democrats say they will not certify Trump as president if he is elected, because "as a convicted felon and insurrectionist", he is not an eligible candidate. I don't know if these politicians plan on going through with this plot, but if they do I would consider it a blatant attempt to ignore and bypass the will of the people.

yea, a couple states already tried to keep Trump off the ballot (because "muh insurrection") so there is some precedence there.

that didn't go anywhere, however, because I think at the time it was commonly believed Trump's campaign for reelection would fail on its own. But I think it's safe to say there are some people in power panicking right about now and willing to do just about anything to "save democracy" from the will of the people.

 

[Stephen3141]

You're getting into speculation.


It's not (just) the current administration that is openly stating that Trump
is unfit to lead the country. It is dozens of Trump appointees, to his
previous 4 years as President, who are testifying that he has no regard
for the Consitution, or the fair rule of law in America.

Don't tryo to spin this question, as if it is (just) a concern of the current
administration.


The question is difficult, because (I think) that it silently is appealing to
the idea that the majority vote of citizens, in a presidential election,
determines what should be the law of the land. AND THIS IS FALSE.

It is the due process of law in America, and the fair rule of law, that
determines what is legal and illegal, in this country.

Appealing to some majority vote, is the way that lynch mobs operate -- not the
fair rule of law in America. This seems to be lost on some of Trump's followers.

Claims about election procedures, fall under the individual laws of the individual states.
Claims about election fraud, must follow due process of law, under the individual
laws of the states.

Decisions about the capacity of the elected President to competently carry out his
Consitutional duties (regardless of what HE thinks), already have been addressed
in the founding documents, and the fair rule of law. This decision is not a free for all,
between different posturing political parties.