Hundreds of national security officials, ex-Cabinet members, Gold Star families endorse Trump

[KCfromNC]

The evidence is the fact that there have been millions of illegal immigrants within the last few years.

Similar to the previous admin. If that means open borders, both candidates are the same on the issue.

But we all know that's not the actual definition of open borders, so it's all just meaningless word play designed to cause outrage in a less than critical audience.

 

[Vambram]

Similar to the previous admin. If that means open borders, both candidates are the same on the issue.

But we all know that's not the actual definition of open borders, so it's all just meaningless word play designed to cause outrage in a less than critical audience.

During the Trump administration, the facts very clearly shows that there was MUCH less illegal immigration than what Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and DHS Mayorkas have willingly allowed to flow across our borders.

 

[Pommer]

During the Trump administration, the facts very clearly shows that there was MUCH less illegal immigration than what Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and DHS Mayorkas have willingly allowed to flow across our borders.

This is true mostly because of Title 42 (pandemic immigration restrictions).

 

[probinson]

So Biden, hands tied due to Republican obstructionists,

You do know that there were Democrats that refused to sign the bill too, right? Five Democrats and Bernie Sanders voted against the bill also.

Full list of Democrats who voted against border deal

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said the bill was killed by Republicans to help Donald Trump in November's election.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Vambram]

This is true mostly because of Title 42 (pandemic immigration restrictions).

That is not 100% correct. Even before the 2020 pandemic, massive illegal immigration was much less during the Trump Administration.

 

[Fantine]

You do know that there were Democrats that refused to sign the bill too, right? Five Democrats and Bernie Sanders voted against the bill also.

Full list of Democrats who voted against border deal

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said the bill was killed by Republicans to help Donald Trump in November's election.

www.newsweek.com

A calculated mistake. If it hadn't been bipartisan, it would have been more palatable to Democrats.
They probably should have drafted a more modest bill instead of depending on senators who weren't courageous enough to buck their party leader.

 

[KCfromNC]

During the Trump administration, the facts very clearly shows that there was MUCH less illegal immigration than what Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and DHS Mayorkas have willingly allowed to flow across our borders.

Changing to different false talking points when the previous ones were demonstrated to be failures isn't going to convince people these posts are worth anything.

 

[Vambram]

Changing to different false talking points when the previous ones were demonstrated to be failures isn't going to convince people these posts are worth anything.

I haven't changed to different talking points. I am pointing out facts that you appear to be dismissive of.

 

[KCfromNC]

I haven't changed to different talking points. I am pointing out facts that you appear to be dismissive of.

The original claim was that a certain number of illegal immigrants during a president's term means the borders were open. Changing the claim to the number being higher or lower than previous years meaning something is definitely changing stories.

 

[tz620q]

Biden has been trying to pass tough bipartisan immigration legislation for a year, but Trump is blocking it.
These last twelve months of what Trump terms Open borders is on him.
If he cared about the alleged threats to you, he would want to end it immediately.
But instead he fear-mongers to get your votes for a problem he prefers to continue.

Both parties were playing political optics. Schumer only brought the bill to the floor for a vote to have a campaign talking point for the Democrats on how Trump had killed the bill. In truth, two of the 3 authors of the bill, James Lankford and Krysten Sinema voted against moving the bill forward because they said Schumer's vote was a stunt and not a serious attempt to craft a bill that would pass both the Senate and the House. There were also 6 Democrats that voted against moving the bill forward for various reasons. So to say that this bill would have passed if Trump hadn't spoken up is to state as fact a very nebulous hypothetical.

It is just bizarre to me to see Harris use this talking point because it admits that Trump as a private citizen has more power in the Senate than she does as VP and Senate Tie-breaking vote. I don't happen to think Trump does; but the talking point is based on that assumption.

 

[probinson]

It is just bizarre to me to see Harris use this talking point because it admits that Trump as a private citizen has more power in the Senate than she does as VP and Senate Tie-breaking vote.

Exactly. It's an... interesting strategy to claim that the reason immigration is such a problem is because a private citizen thwarted your amazing immigration bill that not even everyone in your own party voted for.

Of course, in reality we know that the Biden administration loosened immigration policies nearly 4 years ago at the beginning of their administration resulting in a quadrupling of arrivals.

But, that darn Trump!

 

[Vambram]

The original claim was that a certain number of illegal immigrants during a president's term means the borders were open. Changing the claim to the number being higher or lower than previous years meaning something is definitely changing stories.

I disagree.

 

[KCfromNC]

I disagree.

That is your right, but anyone interested at this point (probably no one) can simply go back and read that what was written agrees with my summary.

 

[Always in His Presence]

It's easy for veterans (myself included) to support Trump - his streamlining our medical care in many cases was an answer to prayer.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The endorsement was signed by several prominent officials from the Trump administration, including former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo ... former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and former 2024 Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley, and many more.

They have won a no-prize.

Trump rules out two GOP stalwarts from joining his administration: 'Will not be inviting'​

Both Pompeo and Haley endorsed Trump in the Nov. 5 election​