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But the OP clearly isn't.

His wife has been having massages for years. The only problem is that he assumed this was being done in a group, maybe with other women.
He has now found out that the masseur is a man and says that he should have been told years ago what the situation was.
He is not worried that it will lead to any sexual impropriety, he is upset that he wasn't told what was going on.

If it was me I would tell my husband that he shouldn't have jumped to conclusions but talked to me. I would also be upset that he couldn't trust me to a) decide whether I was happy having a male masseur, b) to deal with the situation if the masseur crossed a line and c) to behave myself and not jump on him as soon as we were alone.
 
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But the OP clearly isn't.

His wife has been having massages for years. The only problem is that he assumed this was being done in a group, maybe with other women.
He has now found out that the masseur is a man and says that he should have been told years ago what the situation was.
He is not worried that it will lead to any sexual impropriety, he is upset that he wasn't told what was going on.

If it was me I would tell my husband that he shouldn't have jumped to conclusions but talked to me. I would also be upset that he couldn't trust me to a) decide whether I was happy having a male masseur, b) to deal with the situation if the masseur crossed a line and c) to behave myself and not jump on him as soon as we were alone.
Good. All I'm saying is it just takes a moment of weakness. When it comes to situation where it can lead to sexual sin bible tells us to flee not resist.
 
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So you think men are prone to acting from a place of malevolence and exploitation if they aren’t carefully observed and thus forced to do right?
 
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So you think men are prone to acting from a place of malevolence and exploitation if they aren’t carefully observed and thus forced to do right?
This isn't a question of observing. Humans are all fallen and have the propensity to sin and will sin if they willfully put themselves in that position long enough.
 
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This isn't a question of observing. Humans are all fallen and have the propensity to sin and will sin if they willfully put themselves in that position long enough.
So if you’re alone long enough with a female coworker, are you tempting the devil and eventually your propensity to sin will win out? Is it inevitable that every woman’s male gyno will take advantage of somebody at some point in their career?

Are we really supposed to believe that every man is a ticking time bomb of uncontrolled sexual impropriety that could go off at any minute?
 
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So if you’re alone long enough with a female coworker, are you tempting the devil and eventually your propensity to sin will win out? Is it inevitable that every woman’s male gyno will take advantage of somebody at some point in their career?

Are we really supposed to believe that every man is a ticking time bomb of uncontrolled sexual impropriety that could go off at any minute?
As long as my female coworker and I are working together in an office setting with her clothes fully on it would be a lot harder for me to fall. Women can choose a female gyno (if possible) and I believe they would be more comfortable with a female one. No not all men are but what are the chances your masseur ain't?
 
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As long as my female coworker and I are working together in an office setting with her clothes fully on it would be a lot harder for me to fall. Women can choose a female gyno (if possible) and I believe they would be more comfortable with a female one. No not all men are but what are the chances your masseur ain't?
I know this sounds crazy, but men who have a successful career in therapeutic massage are going to be the ones who can be professional in the presence of a mostly undressed woman.
 
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As long as my female coworker and I are working together in an office setting with her clothes fully on it would be a lot harder for me to fall.
So you’re saying you’d have a hard time if the female was in any state of undress…?

Women can choose a female gyno (if possible) and I believe they would be more comfortable with a female one.
How do you know what women would feel more comfortable with? LoL! There are *plenty* of women who have male gynos, plenty of women who prefer male gynos (myself included).

In fact, I loved my male gyno so much that when he left to work at another hospital, I drive the 1.5 hours to his new place just to keep him, even though I’m 5 minutes away from the hospital I used to see him at.

No not all men are but what are the chances your masseur ain't?
Extremely high, see my previous post.
 
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So you’re saying you’d have a hard time if the female was in any state of undress…?


How do you know what women would feel more comfortable with? LoL! There are *plenty* of women who have male gynos, plenty of women who prefer male gynos (myself included).

In fact, I loved my male gyno so much that when he left to work at another hospital, I drive the 1.5 hours to his new place just to keep him, even though I’m 5 minutes away from the hospital I used to see him at.


Extremely high, see my previous post.
You have the liberty to do whatever you want. Just don't cry foul when things go south. All the best.
 
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You have the liberty to do whatever you want. Just don't cry foul when things go south. All the best.
So what we are going with is professional men are so dangerous that women can’t be unsupervised around them and whatever happens is ultimately their fault?

As opposed to trusting your partner and her ability to choose a suitable professional to attend to a needs in a way that is safe? Or acknowledging that men aren’t so feral that the sight of a female client won’t leads to urges they can’t control? Or that a person has a right to a certain level of conduct in professional situations and if a person breeches that trust, it’s not the victims fault but the aggressors?

Interesting take.

Glad that’s not how my husband thinks, lol.
 
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So what we are going with is professional men are so dangerous that women can’t be unsupervised around them and whatever happens is ultimately their fault?

As opposed to trusting your partner and her ability to choose a suitable professional to attend to a needs in a way that is safe? Or acknowledging that men aren’t so feral that the sight of a female client won’t leads to urges they can’t control? Or that a person has a right to a certain level of conduct in professional situations and if a person breeches that trust, it’s not the victims fault but the aggressors?

Interesting take.

Glad that’s not how my husband thinks, lol.
I said professional men "can" be dangerous not necessarily are so. Its up the judgement of women to put themselves in situation that can be so something sensual and it's not hard to find cases of outrage of modesty in such places with a simple google search. At the end of the day it's your body, so your call.
 
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This feels like the moment to point out that women are more likely to be raped by their husbands than by their massage therapists.

Just sayin'.
 
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I said professional men "can" be dangerous not necessarily are so. It’s up the judgement of women to put themselves in situation that can be so something sensual and it's not hard to find cases of outrage of modesty in such places with a simple google search. At the end of the day it's your body, so your call.
The gulf between sensual massage by a spouse and massage by a massage therapist is gigantic. And women are not putting themselves in a situation of potential sensuality by getting massages. They are contracting a service by a professional for a specific purpose. It’s not anything nefarious, it’s got clearly defined boundaries, and it’s as silly to say it’s sexually charged. It’s like saying your visit to a physical therapist or to mammography is sexually charged.

Not to mention, to say being alone with a man giving a professional massage is dangerous because of the sensuality, but being alone with a female masseuse is fine makes a lot of bold assumptions. Who’s to say the woman isn’t a lesbian or bisexual and now she’s rubbing up on your wife?

At the end of the day, if one trusts their spouse, they should be able to trust them in their ability to procure a service from a trained professional without an issue. If you wouldn’t be upset by her being touched by an opposite-gendered doctor, physical therapist, personal trainer, hair stylist, nail technician, etc etc, it should be no different than a massage therapist. And if those things do upset you, the issue is not them.
 
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I basically said he's experiencing a degree of cognitive dissonance. From his perspective.

Cognitive dissonance suggests he's avoiding an obvious truth on a subconscious level.

Would you mind explaining what truth that is?
 
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That’s like saying that if a woman continues to see a male OBGYN who knows what it will lead to?

A professional massage at a reputable business is therapeutic not sexual.

There's nothing to indicate that the masseuse is indeed reputable.

In fact, if you read the OP, his discomfort stems from a misunderstanding, he thought this was a reputable business....a spa of sorts where one can get a massage.

Upon learning that it's far more private, potentially just the wife and masseuse in a private setting....he's become far less comfortable with the situation.
 
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The gulf between sensual massage by a spouse and massage by a massage therapist is gigantic. And women are not putting themselves in a situation of potential sensuality by getting massages. They are contracting a service by a professional for a specific purpose. It’s not anything nefarious, it’s got clearly defined boundaries, and it’s as silly to say it’s sexually charged. It’s like saying your visit to a physical therapist or to mammography is sexually charged.

I've never seen a mammogram done outside the confines of a medical establishment. I would suggest that any women here in need of a mammogram don't schedule appointments with private contractors in their homes or rooms at the Motel 6 they rented.

This whole thread has taken a bizarre turn where a guy asking strangers for advice has basically been berated and accused of shortcomings in trust or insecurity by people who either didn't read the OP or forgotten it by now.

Let's recap....

The man in the OP thought his wife was getting what sounds like rather frequent massages in a spa-type setting. He's recently learned that isn't the case. It's a much more secluded and private type setting that suggests the masseuse isn't at some hospital, medical office, or spa. It suggests he's the type of masseuse who either comes to his clients....or in the wife's case,his clients come to him where he has his massage table.

It's entirely pointless to tell the OP that because this is a professional in a professional setting like a spa or medical establishment he's being unreasonable. If this were a professional setting like a spa or medical establishment....it doesn't seem like the OP would be bothered at all. Unfortunately, greasing up nude women and rubbing them down is one of those jobs you can do from home. Perhaps he makes more money that way....but it seems unlikely, as he wouldn't have to advertise at a spa, and more people are going to be comfortable in a spa type setting than in some stranger's home. It seems more likely that even after the spa takes their cut....he's going to have access to a larger and more steady client base at a spa. For whatever reason, this guy prefers to work away from the confines of a professional structure.

I've also noticed a weird tendency by the same posters defending the wife (even though he hasn't accused her of anything) and shaming the husband to invent some sort of serious medical cause for these massages. The reasons given for the massages in order are 1. Relaxation. A self indulgence. 2. A stiff neck....and 3. A sore back. Again generally speaking (unless she's a competitive athlete or working manual labor like a construction job) the reason for the massages seem to be relaxation....a reason that can be satisfied in multiple ways that don't involve massages. When I hear "stiff neck" and "sore back" I imagine Steve Harvey hosting a round of "Family Feud" wherein the survey asks 300 people to name a fake excuse to see a masseuse for the 3rd time in 2 weeks. Stiff neck would be #1....sore back would be #2.

Yet despite this....and the fact that a client would typically want medical issues treated at a licensed and well insured providers in the off chance treatment makes the probably fake issue worse.

It's odd to assume both....

1. These massages are happening in a professional setting, since he was comfortable with that idea, and only began seeking advice when he learned they were less professional than he thought.

2. This is something medically beneficial for the wife. As if she's in the early stages of MS and Mr Healing Hands is just part of her medical treatment. Nothing in the OP suggests she's suffering any chronic issues or that these massages are akin to physical therapy.





At the end of the day, if one trusts their spouse, they should be able to trust them in their ability to procure a service from a trained professional without an issue.

Again, blame layed at the husband's feet with such confidence, posters might imagine you're the masseuse.

Oiling up and rubbing down a naked woman for an hour in private suggests a very real potential for temptation and unfaithfulness. The husband has been very generous to not accuse his wife directly, and he probably cares a lot for her and if he suspects anything....it's the masseuse. This is the thinking of a man close to the situation and in love. A lot of pertinent information was omitted, likely because it didn't paint the wife in the best light....and he doesn't want to even cast any aspersions at her reputation to total strangers.






If you wouldn’t be upset by her being touched by an opposite-gendered doctor, physical therapist, personal trainer, hair stylist, nail technician, etc etc, it should be no different than a massage therapist. And if those things do upset you, the issue is not them.

I'd also point out that unless a recent update was given....he hasn't returned for the advice. That suggests at least he's confronted her and/or checked out the facts of the situation. Since he's already inclined to protect her reputation....I'd expect a follow-up if she's not up to anything she shouldn't be up to.
 
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Does this make anyone else uncomfortable? Am I just too insecure?
"Yes" to the first. "No" to the second.

Husbands are their wives' protectors. A husband would be naive and irresponsible to at least not make inquiries. Concupiscence is a fact; a "professional license" does not suspend one from that fact. As described, his wife and the masseur are physically intimate. In such intimacy, lust often raises its ugly head.

It is not his wife that the husband suspects of possible impropriety but the masseur. Vetting the masseur is his obligation. If his vetting process still leaves him uncomfortable with the masseur, then he may IMO passively confront the masseur with his presence during the session. A loving wife would/should understand.
 
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But the OP clearly isn't.

His wife has been having massages for years. The only problem is that he assumed this was being done in a group, maybe with other women.
He has now found out that the masseur is a man and says that he should have been told years ago what the situation was.
He is not worried that it will lead to any sexual impropriety, he is upset that he wasn't told what was going on.

I don't think that's the situation. Unless he posted something that I didn't see....he's clearly upset about the whole nature of the massages. The OP isn't talking about how he's upset at being deceived, or intentionally or unintentionally misled, nor do I think he's upset that there's no "communal massage room" which would be odd since most people are mostly or fully undressed during a massage.

It seems more likely that he's upset that this is a private practice and no one is present at all except his wife and the masseuse.

If it was me I would tell my husband that he shouldn't have jumped to conclusions but talked to me.

Agreed.


I would also be upset that he couldn't trust me to a) decide whether I was happy having a male masseur, b) to deal with the situation if the masseur crossed a line and c) to behave myself and not jump on him as soon as we were alone.

Right....but those are all boundary issues that he should have discussed before massage #1. If he's uncomfortable with it....he's uncomfortable with it.
 
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There's nothing to indicate that the masseuse is indeed reputable.

In fact, if you read the OP, his discomfort stems from a misunderstanding, he thought this was a reputable business....a spa of sorts where one can get a massage.

Upon learning that it's far more private, potentially just the wife and masseuse in a private setting....he's become far less comfortable with the situation.
He states it’s a private room, which is the norm at any massage studio, spa, or gym. I think he obviously has not had many, if any professional massages, and he assumed a scenario that does not exist.
 
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