I can't stand Trump... But I'm Voting for Him

[iluvatar5150]

Seems pretty much like a ploy to get anti-Trum voters to change their minds but they never will.

The OP article isn’t even that - it’s a ploy to keep TrumpFans engaged and generate clicks. Nobody who’s not a TrumpFan/MuskSimp is going to be convinced by this.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Seems pretty much like a ploy to get anti-Trum voters to change their minds but they never will. We already know what we get with Trump. No taxes for billionaires while people just making ends meet are saddled with the national debt.

I mean why should a billionaire pay taxes? Trump doesn't. I mean not even one single dollar does he pay in taxes. Of course, it's better for him in the system where only people who work their tails off day in and day out pay taxes while the 1% not only don't pay taxes but get tax rebates for having fundraisers for a fake charity that they use to fly themselves all over the world?

The only people who are "gettable" are the independents and moderates...not sure that they're trying to get "anti-Trump" people to change there mind.

Each party has their "old trusty reliable" voter blocs that are nearly impossible to swing to the other side. Political propaganda isn't aimed at those kinds of people. Political strategists may be scheming, slimy, superficial dirtbags, but they're not stupid.

However, I will pushback on the notion that a billionaire doesn't pay taxes. They may have crafty ways to skirt federal income taxes, but that's just one facet of taxation, unless that billionaire owns nothing, buys nothing, and employs nobody, they're still paying more taxes in a year than you or I are likely paying in a lifetime, just through different channels.

I think the "billionaires pay no taxes" myth is the leftwing counterpart to the rightwing myth about the "welfare queen".

 

[RoBo1988]

But we shouldn't try to pretend that "the sources that agree with me are the objective ones"

Agreed. But as Peter asked Jesus: "Lord, to whom shall we go (for objectivity)?"

Woodward and Bernstein are heroes to the left because they did (to Nixon)what Julie Kelly is doing concerning January sixth - pursuing the truth; about participants that were never charged or given a slap on the wrist, how the VP drove by the "pipe bombs" etc. But, because it's not a pro - left issue no one but people like Kelly, Miranda Devine, and Salena Zito will even go there.

PS Bob Woodward is not objective, either.

Seems pretty much like a ploy to get anti-Trum voters to change their minds but they never will. We already know what we get with Trump. No taxes for billionaires while people just making ends meet are saddled with the national debt.

Problem is, there are about 400 millionaires making the laws concerning rich people taxes. Nancy Pelosi has done well for herself in the 40 plus years she has been in Congress

I mean why should a billionaire pay taxes? Trump doesn't. I mean not even one single dollar does he pay in taxes.

Sure, just ask Harry Reid about that...oh wait

Of course, it's better for him in the system where only people who work their tails off day in and day out pay taxes while the 1% not only don't pay taxes

Once again, the 400 or so millionaires in Congress...

but get tax rebates for having fundraisers for a fake charity that they use to fly themselves all over the world?

Sounds like the WEF gang, (who wants you eating bugs); Al Gore, and Leo DiCaprio

 

[RoBo1988]

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I am writing in Ron Paul

I voted for Dr Paul, and the " rEVOLution"

 

[rturner76]

they're still paying more taxes in a year than you or I are likely paying in a lifetime, just through different channels.

Not if you are a billionaire like Donald Trump. Then you pay absolutely zero in Federal taxes. I mean not even 10 dollars or even literally one penny. they can float around their income tax-free while people with everyday jobs get taxed by the thousands. Just to be clear, do you think it is fair for billionaires to pay no federal taxes while working people may pay a third of their income in taxes?

 

[tturt]

Same type question - why Biden dismissed student loans while others with less education struggle day to day.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I'm voting for Trump because a lot of democrats said they would leave the country if he gets elected.

 

[Postvieww]

What about January 6th and the democratic process?
You don't think he seeks to undermine our faith in the process simply to assert his claim to power?

Or do you think that is in "the best interest of all the people"?

I think liberals have been sold a lie as to what actually happened on Jan 6 and who was behind it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think liberals have been sold a lie as to what actually happened on Jan 6 and who was behind it.

That sure does seem to be the way you guys help yourselves excuse it.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I think liberals have been sold a lie as to what actually happened on Jan 6 and who was behind it.

Enlighten us. What "actually" happened and who was behind it?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Not if you are a billionaire like Donald Trump. Then you pay absolutely zero in Federal taxes. I mean not even 10 dollars or even literally one penny. they can float around their income tax-free while people with everyday jobs get taxed by the thousands. Just to be clear, do you think it is fair for billionaires to pay no federal taxes while working people may pay a third of their income in taxes?

That's why I noted there are ways to skirt the federal income tax.

However, I mentioned there are other realms of taxation that billionaires do pay into, unrelated to federal income tax.

For instance, his property taxes across his various properties in Palm Beach Florida totaled up to $1.7 million in fiscal year 2022 according to county auditor records. (it was $1.5 million in 2021)

When Billionaire charters a jet, there's a 7.5% federal excise tax (and an additional 6.25% excise if you're taking other passengers on it)

When a Billionaire buys something, they still pay sales tax.


People need to be discerning with some of these "billionaires pay no taxes" claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/23/biden-keeps-saying-billionaires-pay-8-percent-taxes-not-really/

(WaPo even fact checked Biden's claims on this)

Other fact checking outlets have busted him on similar claims as well

In push for “billionaire tax,” Joe Biden gets figures wrong

During a visit to a labor union in suburban Maryland, President Joe Biden made a pitch for more stringent taxes on billi

www.politifact.com

So, what is the actual tax burden under the current tax code for the wealthiest Americans? IRS data from 2019 shows that the top 1% of taxpayers paid an average federal income tax rate of 25.6%. A more elite group, the top 0.001% — which in 2019 meant people earning about $60 million or more a year — paid 22.9%.

While there are loopholes to reduce the federal tax burden, that billionaires have access to that we don't, there's a lot of things besides income that are taxed.

 

[rturner76]

That's why I noted there are ways to skirt the federal income tax.

However, I mentioned there are other realms of taxation that billionaires do pay into, unrelated to federal income tax.

For instance, his property taxes across his various properties in Palm Beach Florida totaled up to $1.7 million in fiscal year 2022 according to county auditor records. (it was $1.5 million in 2021)

When Billionaire charters a jet, there's a 7.5% federal excise tax (and an additional 6.25% excise if you're taking other passengers on it)

When a Billionaire buys something, they still pay sales tax.


People need to be discerning with some of these "billionaires pay no taxes" claims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/23/biden-keeps-saying-billionaires-pay-8-percent-taxes-not-really/

(WaPo even fact checked Biden's claims on this)

Other fact checking outlets have busted him on similar claims as well

In push for “billionaire tax,” Joe Biden gets figures wrong

During a visit to a labor union in suburban Maryland, President Joe Biden made a pitch for more stringent taxes on billi

www.politifact.com

So, what is the actual tax burden under the current tax code for the wealthiest Americans? IRS data from 2019 shows that the top 1% of taxpayers paid an average federal income tax rate of 25.6%. A more elite group, the top 0.001% — which in 2019 meant people earning about $60 million or more a year — paid 22.9%.

While there are loopholes to reduce the federal tax burden, that billionaires have access to that we don't, there's a lot of things besides income that are taxed.

That's great that he pays his nickels and dimes to the Fed but does he pay income tax like most Americans, NO. Through borrowing and mortgaging, he can claim debts that aren't debts. I'm not saying that he is doing something illegal with his tax bill but pays $0 in income taxes. Hence, a bus driver, a school teacher, and a janitor pay more Federal income tax than this billionaire who finances helicopters, and golf courses and grabs foreign money from Russia to build towers there. Why should he get a free ride on income taxes while a security guard gets hammered with taxes? Do you approve of a billionaire paying $0 in income tax? I mean not even ten cents. I'm assuming you pay Federal income taxes. Why should you pay Federal income tax for whatever job you do and a billionaire pay absolutely nothing? Don't you feel a little cheated? And this is the same guy you want to run our economy? How is it right that the poor and middle class pay taxes on their income but your leader pays none? I dunno, maybe people admire him for his ability to dodge income taxes. That is why he is constantly under audit. His accountants are doing dodgy paperwork. The real question is why do you think that the rich should be exempt from Federal income tax and not people who actually work for their money?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

That's great that he pays his nickels and dimes to the Fed but does he pay income tax like most Americans, NO. Through borrowing and mortgaging, he can claim debts that aren't debts. I'm not saying that he is doing something illegal with his tax bill but pays $0 in income taxes. Hence, a bus driver, a school teacher, and a janitor pay more Federal income tax than this billionaire who finances helicopters, and golf courses and grabs foreign money from Russia to build towers there. Why should he get a free ride on income taxes while a security guard gets hammered with taxes? Do you approve of a billionaire paying $0 in income tax? I mean not even ten cents. I'm assuming you pay Federal income taxes. Why should you pay Federal income tax for whatever job you do and a billionaire pay absolutely nothing? Don't you feel a little cheated? And this is the same guy you want to run our economy? How is it right that the poor and middle class pay taxes on their income but your leader pays none? I dunno, maybe people admire him for his ability to dodge income taxes. That is why he is constantly under audit. His accountants are doing dodgy paperwork. The real question is why do you think that the rich should be exempt from Federal income tax and not people who actually work for their money?

But, federal income taxes aren't the only taxes, like I said before....

When it comes to funding for certain public institutions, a person paying $2 million in property taxes (which in many states, directly funds schools) is doing just as much (if not more) a person who pays a little more in federal taxes, only for it to get transferred up to the federal government, and then back down to the individual school districts via a very "leaky bucket".

Even if Trump (or people like Trump) literally paid $0 in federal income taxes over the course of their life, they've paid more in payroll tax, sales tax, and property tax (that still goes toward the public good) in a year than most will pay in their life time.

People tend to get too fixated on the narrow singular form of taxation (income tax) where the top end enjoys some "exclusive benefits". You can certainly make a reasonable case against that sort of thing, and I'll likely be sympathetic to some of your arguments, but this notion that "billionaires are getting a free ride while contributing nothing" is a flat-out falsehood.

If someone lives in a $20 million dollar home, even if they found a way to pay $0 in federal income tax, they're still contributing more to the public good via other forms of taxation than 100 "regular people" combined.

We're talking about guys whose property taxes, alone, probably cover 10% of a local schools yearly operating budget by themselves.

 

[RoBo1988]

Enlighten us. What "actually" happened and who was behind it?

As I posted before, Julie Kelly has been one of the few actually investigating, but "oh no! She's biased!"

 

[RileyG]

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I am writing in Ron Paul

Isn’t he in his upper 80s or early 90s?

Edit: he’s 89

 

[Tinker Grey]

Isn’t he in his upper 80s or early 90s?

Edit: he’s 89

Mebbe he meant Rand Paul

 

[RoBo1988]

Isn’t he in his upper 80s or early 90s?

Edit: he’s 89

You can still catch Dr Paul on Facebook, YouTube. He would have been a great president. America whiffed on that election cycle.

 

[BCP1928]

But, federal income taxes aren't the only taxes, like I said before....

When it comes to funding for certain public institutions, a person paying $2 million in property taxes (which in many states, directly funds schools) is doing just as much (if not more) a person who pays a little more in federal taxes, only for it to get transferred up to the federal government, and then back down to the individual school districts via a very "leaky bucket".

Even if Trump (or people like Trump) literally paid $0 in federal income taxes over the course of their life, they've paid more in payroll tax, sales tax, and property tax (that still goes toward the public good) in a year than most will pay in their life time.

People tend to get too fixated on the narrow singular form of taxation (income tax) where the top end enjoys some "exclusive benefits". You can certainly make a reasonable case against that sort of thing, and I'll likely be sympathetic to some of your arguments, but this notion that "billionaires are getting a free ride while contributing nothing" is a flat-out falsehood.

If someone lives in a $20 million dollar home, even if they found a way to pay $0 in federal income tax, they're still contributing more to the public good via other forms of taxation than 100 "regular people" combined.

We're talking about guys whose property taxes, alone, probably cover 10% of a local schools yearly operating budget by themselves.

And when conservatives whine about lower income people not paying taxes, they also neglect to mention those other taxes.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And when conservatives whine about lower income people not paying taxes, they also neglect to mention those other taxes.

Sure...

...but nobody from that ilk is suggesting we raise income taxes on the poor up to 38%.

The complaints you mention are typically a rebuttal to the "rich not paying their fair share" claims.

Can you point to a conservative federal income tax proposal (that had widespread popularity among that faction) that suggested "the bottom 10% aren't paying their fair share, we should raise their taxes"?

The answer is "no", right?

 

[BCP1928]

Sure...

...but nobody from that ilk is suggesting we raise income taxes on the poor up to 38%.

The complaints you mention are typically a rebuttal to the "rich not paying their fair share" claims.

Can you point to a conservative federal income tax proposal (that had widespread popularity among that faction) that suggested "the bottom 10% aren't paying their fair share, we should raise their taxes"?

The answer is "no", right?

No, they just complain about it. Don't you remember Romney's infamous 50% speech?