Geocentric Bible Verses

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Geocentrism - Scripture Catholic

Contents1 Scripture1.1 I. The Earth Does Not Move1.2 II. The Sun, Moon and Stars Move2 Tradition / Church Fathers Scripture Geocentrism is the view that the earth is the center of the universe, and that the universe (sun, moon, stars, planets) revolves around the earth. Most geocentrists also...

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1 Sam. 2:8 – “For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world.”

2 Sam. 22:16; Psalm 18:15 – “Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare…” (Describing the earth as having “foundations” is consistent with an earth that is fixed and established and does not move, as many Scriptures reveal).

1 Chron. 16:30 – “yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.” This and many other passages say very plainly that the earth does not move.

Job 26:7 – “He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.”

Job 38:4; cf. Job 9:6 – “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?”

Psalm 8:29 – “…when he marked out the foundations of the earth.”

Psalm 93:1 – “Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.”

Psalm 102:25 – “Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.”

Psalm 104:5 – “Thou didst set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be shaken.”

Psalm 119:90 – “thou has established the earth, and it stands firm.”

Isaiah 24:18 – “…for the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.”

Isaiah 48:13 – “My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens…”

Isaiah 66:1 – “Thus says the Lord: ‘Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool.”

Joshua 10:12-14 – “Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, ‘Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon.’ And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.”

Judges 5:20 – “From heaven fought the stars, from their courses they fought against Sisera.”

Judges 5:31 – “So perish all thine enemies, O Lord! But thy friends be like the sun as he rises in his might.”

2 Kings 20:11 – “And Isaiah the prophet cried to the Lord; and he brought the shadow back ten steps, by which the sun had declined on the dial of Ahaz.”

Job 9:7 – “who commands the sun, and it does not rise.”

Psalm 19:5-6 – “In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridgegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.”

Psalm 104:19 – “Thou hast made the moon to mark the seasons; the sun knows its time for setting.”

Eccles. 1:5 – “The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.”

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Some more Geocentric Bible Verses from Catholic Books of The Bible :


Wis. 13:2 – “but they supposed that either fire or wind or swift air, or the circle of the stars, or turbulent water, or the luminaries of heaven were the gods that rule the world.”

Sir. 43:2 – “The sun, when it appears, making proclamation as it goes forth, is a marvelous instrument, the work of the Most High.”

Sir. 43:5 – “Great is the Lord who made it; and at his command it hastens on its course.”

Sir. 46:4 – “Was not the sun held back by his hand? And did not one day become as long as two?”

1 Esdras 4:34 – “The earth is vast, and heaven is high, and the sun is swift in its course, for it makes the circuit of the heavens and returns to its place in one day.”

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Revelation 20:8 : And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.


Revelation 7:1 : "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth".


Isaiah 11:12 : "And gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth".


Deuteronomy 28:64 : "He'll scatter you to the four winds, from one end of the Earth to the other"


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Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

(Please Be Kind even if you don't agree so the thread stays open) • Ambrose: Worthy surely was he to stand forth as a man who might stay the course of the river, and who might say: “Sun, stand still,” and delay the night and lengthen the day, as though to witness his victory. Why? a blessing...

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[Philip_B]

Are you arguing against heliocentricity? Or are you simply suggesting that the cosmology of the ancients, including the writers of old and new Testament was terracentic?

 

[prodromos]

The earth is absolutely at the centre of God's interaction with humanity, of our fall and God's plan for our salvation, but that does not make it the physical centre of the universe.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Are you arguing against heliocentricity? Or are you simply suggesting that the cosmology of the ancients, including the writers of old and new Testament was terracentic?

Showing that The Bible has a Geocentric Cosmology.

 

[awstar]

Showing that The Bible has a Geocentric Cosmology.

Some of the world's greatest scientists agree that an earth fixed center of the universe is a valid cosmology. They just don't prefer it for one reason or another.

“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.” - Henri Poincare, earlier than 1912

“all masses, all motion, indeed all forces are relative. There is no way to discern relative from absolute motion when we encounter them ... Whenever modern writers infer an imaginary distinction between relative and absolute motion from a Newtonian framework, they do not stop to think that the Ptolemaic and Copernican are both equally true.” — Ernst Mach, 1921.

“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…” — Hendrik Lorentz, earlier than 1929

“There was just one alternative [to the Michelson-Morley experiment]; the earth’s true velocity through space might happen to have been nil... — Arthur Eddington , 1929

The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS [coordinate systems].” — Albert Einstein 1938

“No physical experiment has ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” - Lincoln Barnett [Historian Lincoln Barnett – “The Universe and Dr. Einstein”]

“Redshifts would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central Earth…” “This hypothesis (of a central Earth) cannot be disproved, but it is unwelcome and would only be accepted as a last resort.” “We disregard this possibility. The unwelcome position of a favored location must be avoided at all costs.” “Such a favored position is intolerable.” - Edwin Hubble ~ 1937

"Obviously, it doesn’t matter if we think of the Earth as turning round on its axis, or at rest while the fixed stars revolve round it. Geometrically these are exactly the same case of a relative rotation of the Earth and the fixed stars with respect to one another. " — Dennis Sciama’s 1959

“Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.” — Fred Hoyle, 1973

"We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance."
— Sir Fred Hoyle, 1975

‘our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.,,, the real advantage of the Copernican system is simply that the equations of motion are much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest.’ — Stephen Hawking ?

“I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations… You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds…” — George Ellis, (a former close colleague of Hawking) October 1995

“Red shift in the spectra of quasars leads to yet another paradoxical result: namely, that the Earth is the center of the Universe.” — Y.P. Varshni , earlier than 1997

“The pendulum has swung all the way and started to come back on the Copernican principle.” — Max Tegmark, 2003+

"The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect" - Lawrence Krauss, 2006

“If the Earth were at the center of the universe, the attraction of the surrounding mass of stars would also produce redshifts wherever we looked! This theory seems quite consistent with our astronomical observations.” — Paul Davies, earlier than 2006?

People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.” -George Ellis, “Thinking Globally, Acting Universally”

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Some of the world's greatest scientists agree that an earth fixed center of the universe is a valid cosmology. They just don't prefer it for one reason or another.

“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.” - Henri Poincare, earlier than 1912

“all masses, all motion, indeed all forces are relative. There is no way to discern relative from absolute motion when we encounter them ... Whenever modern writers infer an imaginary distinction between relative and absolute motion from a Newtonian framework, they do not stop to think that the Ptolemaic and Copernican are both equally true.” — Ernst Mach, 1921.

“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…” — Hendrik Lorentz, earlier than 1929

“There was just one alternative [to the Michelson-Morley experiment]; the earth’s true velocity through space might happen to have been nil... — Arthur Eddington , 1929

The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS [coordinate systems].” — Albert Einstein 1938

“No physical experiment has ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” - Lincoln Barnett [Historian Lincoln Barnett – “The Universe and Dr. Einstein”]

“Redshifts would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central Earth…” “This hypothesis (of a central Earth) cannot be disproved, but it is unwelcome and would only be accepted as a last resort.” “We disregard this possibility. The unwelcome position of a favored location must be avoided at all costs.” “Such a favored position is intolerable.” - Edwin Hubble ~ 1937

"Obviously, it doesn’t matter if we think of the Earth as turning round on its axis, or at rest while the fixed stars revolve round it. Geometrically these are exactly the same case of a relative rotation of the Earth and the fixed stars with respect to one another. " — Dennis Sciama’s 1959

“Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.” — Fred Hoyle, 1973

"We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance."
— Sir Fred Hoyle, 1975

‘our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.,,, the real advantage of the Copernican system is simply that the equations of motion are much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest.’ — Stephen Hawking ?

“I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations… You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds…” — George Ellis, (a former close colleague of Hawking) October 1995

“Red shift in the spectra of quasars leads to yet another paradoxical result: namely, that the Earth is the center of the Universe.” — Y.P. Varshni , earlier than 1997

“The pendulum has swung all the way and started to come back on the Copernican principle.” — Max Tegmark, 2003+

"The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect" - Lawrence Krauss, 2006

“If the Earth were at the center of the universe, the attraction of the surrounding mass of stars would also produce redshifts wherever we looked! This theory seems quite consistent with our astronomical observations.” — Paul Davies, earlier than 2006?

People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.” -George Ellis, “Thinking Globally, Acting Universally”

Thanks for those quotes.

 

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Thanks to Apple Sky for posting this video in the Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes Thread. :

75 Bible Verses Prove a Flat Earth

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[JSRG]

Some of the world's greatest scientists agree that an earth fixed center of the universe is a valid cosmology. They just don't prefer it for one reason or another.

“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.” - Henri Poincare, earlier than 1912

“all masses, all motion, indeed all forces are relative. There is no way to discern relative from absolute motion when we encounter them ... Whenever modern writers infer an imaginary distinction between relative and absolute motion from a Newtonian framework, they do not stop to think that the Ptolemaic and Copernican are both equally true.” — Ernst Mach, 1921.

“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…” — Hendrik Lorentz, earlier than 1929

“There was just one alternative [to the Michelson-Morley experiment]; the earth’s true velocity through space might happen to have been nil... — Arthur Eddington , 1929

The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS [coordinate systems].” — Albert Einstein 1938

“No physical experiment has ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” - Lincoln Barnett [Historian Lincoln Barnett – “The Universe and Dr. Einstein”]

“Redshifts would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central Earth…” “This hypothesis (of a central Earth) cannot be disproved, but it is unwelcome and would only be accepted as a last resort.” “We disregard this possibility. The unwelcome position of a favored location must be avoided at all costs.” “Such a favored position is intolerable.” - Edwin Hubble ~ 1937

"Obviously, it doesn’t matter if we think of the Earth as turning round on its axis, or at rest while the fixed stars revolve round it. Geometrically these are exactly the same case of a relative rotation of the Earth and the fixed stars with respect to one another. " — Dennis Sciama’s 1959

“Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.” — Fred Hoyle, 1973

"We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance."
— Sir Fred Hoyle, 1975

‘our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.,,, the real advantage of the Copernican system is simply that the equations of motion are much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest.’ — Stephen Hawking ?

“I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations… You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds…” — George Ellis, (a former close colleague of Hawking) October 1995

“Red shift in the spectra of quasars leads to yet another paradoxical result: namely, that the Earth is the center of the Universe.” — Y.P. Varshni , earlier than 1997

“The pendulum has swung all the way and started to come back on the Copernican principle.” — Max Tegmark, 2003+

"The new results are either telling us that all of science is wrong and we're the center of the universe, or maybe the data is simply incorrect" - Lawrence Krauss, 2006

“If the Earth were at the center of the universe, the attraction of the surrounding mass of stars would also produce redshifts wherever we looked! This theory seems quite consistent with our astronomical observations.” — Paul Davies, earlier than 2006?

People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations. For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.” -George Ellis, “Thinking Globally, Acting Universally”

Almost none of the quotes you copy/pasted actually says where the quote supposedly comes from. Thus you offer no actual evidence these individuals actually said these things attributed to them, and (even if they did) this lack of sources prevents anyone from checking for context. If you want anyone to take these quotes seriously, please offer clear sources for all of them as to where the individuals gave these remarks.

"Many quotes you see on the Internet are not true." - Julius Caesar

 

[prodromos]

Almost none of the quotes you copy/pasted actually says where the quote supposedly comes from. Thus you offer no actual evidence these individuals actually said these things attributed to them, and (even if they did) this lack of sources prevents anyone from checking for context. If you want anyone to take these quotes seriously, please offer clear sources for all of them as to where the individuals gave these remarks.

"Many quotes you see on the Internet are not true." - Julius Caesar

The problem with most of them is that if the earth were motionless, it would mean that distant stars and entire galaxies are orbiting around the earth at many times the speed of light. Perhaps that is where Spaceballs came up with "Ludicrous Speed".

 

[awstar]

Almost none of the quotes you copy/pasted actually says where the quote supposedly comes from. Thus you offer no actual evidence these individuals actually said these things attributed to them, and (even if they did) this lack of sources prevents anyone from checking for context. If you want anyone to take these quotes seriously, please offer clear sources for all of them as to where the individuals gave these remarks.

"Many quotes you see on the Internet are not true." - Julius Caesar

here you go.


Pages 7 and 8 of Introduction in this book:


Galileo Was Wrong The Church Was Right

The Evidence from Modern Science

Twelfth edition

Volume 1 Chapters 1 to 6

Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D. and Robert J. Bennett, Ph.D.

“I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment, though the Earth is revolving around the sun.”


Albert Einstein 17


“...to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked...that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result.”


“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest...”


Albert Einstein 18


Henrick Lorentz 19


“There was just one alternative; the earth’s true velocity through space might


happen to have been nil.”
“The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially any effects of the


earth’s motion...”
“We do not have and cannot have any means of discovering whether or not


we are carried along in a uniform motion of translation.”
“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of


the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.”


Henri Poincaré 23





17 Speech titled: “How I Created the Theory of Relativity,” delivered at Kyoto University, Japan, Dec. 14, 1922, as cited in Physics Today, August, 1982.


18 “Relativity – The Special and General Theory,” cited in Stephen Hawking’s, A Stubbornly Persistent Illusion, 2007, p. 169.


19 Lorentz’s 1886 paper, “On the Influence of the Earth’s Motion of Luminiferous Phenomena,” in A. Miller’s Albert Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, p. 20.


20 Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1929, pp. 11, 8.


21 Wolfgang Pauli, The Theory of Relativity, 1958, p. 4.


22 From Poincaré’s lecture titled: “L’état actuel et l’avenir de la physique mathematique,” St. Louis, Sept. 24, 1904, Scientific Monthly, April, 1956.








“This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation...which presupposes


that the Earth moves.”


Albert Michelson24


“The data were almost unbelievable... There was only one other possible conclusion to draw — that the Earth was at rest.”


Bernard Jaffe25


“...nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in


motion.”


Lincoln Barnett26


“Thus, even now, three and a half centuries after Galileo...it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the earth moves, and, if so, in what precise sense.”


Julian B. Barbour27


"...there must be no favored location in the universe, no center, no boundary; all must see the universe alike. And, in order to ensure this situation, the cosmologist postulates spatial isotropy and spatial homogeneity...."


Edwin Hubble28





23 From Poincaré’s report La science et l’hypothèse (“Science and Hypothesis”)1901, 1968, p. 182. L. Kostro’s, Einstein and the Ether, 2000, p. 30.
24 Albert A. Michelson, “The Relative Motion of the Earth and the Luminiferous Ether,” American Journal of Science, Vol. 22, August 1881, p. 125, said after his interferometer experiment did not detect the movement of ether against the Earth.


25 Bernard Jaffe, Michelson and the Speed of Light, 1960, p. 76. Jaffe adds this conclusion to the above sentence: “This, of course, was preposterous.”
26 Lincoln Barnett, The Universe and Dr. Einstein, 2nd rev. edition, 1957, p. 73.
27 Julian Barbour, Absolute or Relative Motion, Cambridge University Press, 1989, p. 226. 28 Edwin Hubble, The Observational Approach to Cosmology, 1937, p. 63.

 

[prodromos]

here you go.


Pages 7 and 8 of Introduction in this book:


Galileo Was Wrong The Church Was Right

The Evidence from Modern Science

Twelfth edition

Volume 1 Chapters 1 to 6

Robert A. Sungenis, Ph.D. and Robert J. Bennett, Ph.D.

Are there footnotes or endnotes which give the actual references in this book? That is the only information that is useful and you haven't provided any of that

 

[awstar]

Are there footnotes or endnotes which give the actual references in this book? That is the only information that is useful and you haven't provided any of that

Actually I did provide that. It turns out that my cut and paste went awry -- so I'm trying again to get you the only information that is useful -- in its proper sequence.

First the quotes again

“I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment, though the Earth is revolving around the sun.”

Albert Einstein 17



“...to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked...that all attempts of this nature led to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result.”

Albert Einstein 18


“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest...”

Henrick Lorentz 19


“There was just one alternative; the earth’s true velocity through space might happen to have been nil.”

Arthur Eddington 20


“The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially any effects of the earth’s motion...”

Wolfgang Pauli 21


“We do not have and cannot have any means of discovering whether or not we are carried along in a uniform motion of translation.”

Henri Poincaré 22



“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.”

Henri Poincaré 23

Then the footnotes again

17 Speech titled: “How I Created the Theory of Relativity,” delivered at Kyoto University, Japan, Dec. 14, 1922, as cited in Physics Today, August, 1982.

18 “Relativity – The Special and General Theory,” cited in Stephen Hawking’s, A Stubbornly Persistent Illusion, 2007, p. 169.


19 Lorentz’s 1886 paper, “On the Influence of the Earth’s Motion of Luminiferous Phenomena,” in A. Miller’s Albert Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, p. 20.


20 Arthur Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World, 1929, pp. 11, 8.


21 Wolfgang Pauli, The Theory of Relativity, 1958, p. 4.


22 From Poincaré’s lecture titled: “L’état actuel et l’avenir de la physique mathematique,” St. Louis, Sept. 24, 1904, Scientific Monthly, April, 1956.


23 From Poincaré’s report La science et l’hypothèse (“Science and Hypothesis”)1901, 1968, p. 182. L. Kostro’s, Einstein and the Ether, 2000, p. 30.



24 Albert A. Michelson, “The Relative Motion of the Earth and the Luminiferous Ether,” American Journal of Science, Vol. 22, August 1881, p. 125, said after his interferometer experiment did not detect the movement of ether against the Earth.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Thanks to sir.dante.esq for this verse :


“Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward.
So The Sun Returned Ten Degrees, By Which Degrees It Was Gone Down.”

- Isaiah 38:8

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, Who Deceives The Whole World ; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

- Revelation 12:9


Forked Tongues and Saturn Rings in the world's "space agencies"

STRONGS H5377 :

נָשָׁא

• nāšā' - To Beguile, Deceive. to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, greatly, utterly.

H5377 - nāšā' - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

H5377 - נָשָׁא nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, greatly, utterly.

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[trophy33]

Some of the world's greatest scientists agree that an earth fixed center of the universe is a valid cosmology. They just don't prefer it for one reason or another.

Its practically impossible to check your references, but I highly doubt that modern astronomers would propose a geocentric model in a more serious way than some kind of thought experiment.

Galileo's observations with the telescope in the early 1600s provided strong evidence against geocentrism. He observed the phases of Venus, which can only be explained if Venus orbits the Sun. He also observed Jupiter’s moons, showing that not everything orbits the Earth.

It would also hardly make sense from the point of gravity. Earth would need to be the center of all gravitational forces, which I do not know how you would explain.

 

[awstar]

Its practically impossible to check your references, but I highly doubt that modern astronomers would propose a geocentric model in a more serious way than some kind of thought experiment.

Galileo's observations with the telescope in the early 1600s provided strong evidence against geocentrism. He observed the phases of Venus, which can only be explained if Venus orbits the Sun. He also observed Jupiter’s moons, showing that not everything orbits the Earth.

It would also hardly make sense from the point of gravity. Earth would need to be the center of all gravitational forces, which I do not know how you would explain.

Sorry about the poor copy and paste of my first attempt to provide references. Check my second attempt for a better organized list.

Regarding your view that the geocentric model isn’t useful, here’s a response from chatGPT that provides something more useful than a thought experiment.

if you ask chatGPT the question: “which astrophysics applications use the Geocentric frame of reference?” you get the following list of applications.

The geocentric frame of reference is primarily used in several astrophysical applications, including:

1. Orbital Mechanics: For calculating the orbits of satellites and spacecraft around the Earth, the geocentric model simplifies the analysis by treating Earth as the central body.
2. Lunar and Planetary Studies: When studying the Moon and nearby planets, a geocentric frame can provide practical insights, especially for observing their motion relative to Earth.
3. Eclipses: Predicting solar and lunar eclipses often uses a geocentric perspective, as it focuses on how celestial bodies align from an Earth-centered viewpoint.
4. Astronomical Observations: Many telescopes and observational programs are designed around the geocentric frame, as they track the apparent motion of celestial objects across the sky.
5. Satellite Tracking: Systems like GPS use a geocentric model to determine positions based on signals from satellites in orbit around the Earth.

While the heliocentric model (centered on the Sun) is more fundamental for understanding the broader solar system dynamics, the geocentric frame remains useful for specific Earth-centered calculations and observations.

If you would rather watch a video than read the book i mentioned in my post from where I got the quotes and references, here’s an entertaining movie produced by the author of that book.

The Principle (2014 - Full Movie)

Robert Sungenis

Robert Sungenis has been an independent Catholic theologian and apologist for the last 22 years. His expertise is in biblical studies, theology, apologetics and science. His works are featured by Catholic Apologetics International Publishing, Inc., for whom he has written over 30 books and...

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[trophy33]

Sorry about the poor copy and paste of my first attempt to provide references. Check my second attempt for a better organized list.

I did, but its still unverifiable, for all practical reasons. These are just pages in some printed books that are not even online. Or just vague references to some talk events.

Regarding your view that the geocentric model isn’t useful, here’s a response from chatGPT that provides something more useful than a thought experiment.

if you ask chatGPT the question: “which astrophysics applications use the Geocentric frame of reference?” you get the following list of applications.

Do you understand the ChatGPT response? It does not say that the Earth can be seen as the center of the solar system, but that its a center in some contexts, like for the Moon's orbit. Its a different kind of geocentrism - it works only for the few smaller objects in the close proximity to our planet, which are in our gravity.

 

[awstar]

Do you understand the ChatGPT response? It does not say that the Earth can be seen as the center of the solar system, but that its a center in some contexts, like for the Moon's orbit. Its a different kind of geocentrism - it works only for the few smaller objects in the close proximity to our planet, which are in our gravity.

Don’t all the data points observed for sun, moon, planets and stars get recorded into the Geocentric frame of reference first? It’s hardly a different "kind" of geocentrism. Its the same kind of frame of reference as the heliocentric one. Except all the data in the heliocentric frame of reference was put there after translating the data that is stored in the geocentric tables first.

In the Introduction of the book from where I am getting these quotes, the author says Stephen Hawking wrote these words: (my emphasis added)

So which is real, the Ptolemaic or the Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true. As in the case of our normal view versus that of the goldfish, one can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest. [9]

[footnote 9] The Grand Design, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, 2010, pp. 41-42. Hawking adds: “Despite its role in philosophical debates over the nature of our universe, the real advantage of the Copernican system is simply that the equations of motion are much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest.”