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Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why

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It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22

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Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Job 38:18

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Do I want more irrelevant verses that have nothing to do with what we're talking about?
No thanks.

Sitting on the circle of the earth does not prove that the earth is a flat disc.
God asked Job if he had seen the breadth of the earth, not if he had seen the flat disc of the earth.
 
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God asked Job if he had seen the breadth of the earth, not if he had seen the flat disc of the earth.

And what does breadth mean ?

Breadth is the width of a shape and describes the distance from the right side to the left side of a shape.
 
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@Apple Sky I don't know if you bought Flat Earth Dave's app or not, but just in case you did, I recommend you delete it immediately and get involved in a Class Action law suit to get your money back as it makes your location, email and password freely available to anyone on the Internet with a bit of knowledge.
 
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@Apple Sky I don't know if you bought Flat Earth Dave's app or not, but just in case you did, I recommend you delete it immediately and get involved in a Class Action law suit to get your money back as it makes your location, email and password freely available to anyone on the Internet with a bit of knowledge.

Thanks for the heads up Prod, but no I've never subscribed to any flat earther. So much for Dave & Dubay hey!
 
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And what does breadth mean ?

Breadth is the width of a shape and describes the distance from the right side to the left side of a shape.
A ball isn't a shape then?
 
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Yes, but you'd be hard pushed to get the breadth & width of it.
Just as you'd be hard-pushed to dig 40,000 feet down on a flat disc.

So, according to the Bible - which is not a science textbook and is not always literal - the earth is a wide circle with depths, (so that God can bring people from the depths.) So it is 3 dimensional.
Congratulations; you have just proved that the earth is a ball, or globe.
 
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Just as you'd be hard-pushed to dig 40,000 feet down on a flat disc.

If the earth was a ball wouldn't God have said 'Circumference' instead of 'Breadth' ?
 
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WOW- Just look at this horizon.............

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If the earth was a ball wouldn't God have said 'Circumference' instead of 'Breadth' ?
They mean different things.
Circumference is the edge around a circle; breadth, or width is the distance across it. Job 38:5, "who stretched a measuring line across it?"

This proves nothing, of course, because Job 38-40 is poetry, not a literal description of the creation of the earth. The sea is not literally "shut up behind doors", nor does it literally "burst forth from a womb", Job 38:8.The snow is not literally kept in storehouses, Job 38:22. Orion is not a man and does not literally need his belt loosening, Job 38:31. Why would he; did he eat too many asteroids?
No-one literally gave birth to frost, Job 38:29. How could they? Would that be the same womb that gave birth to the sea? Whose womb would that be - God's? So God is not Spirit, John 4:24, and all those many verses that refer to God as "he" are wrong - God is female and has a womb? If you want further proof that God is female and has a womb look at James 1:18.

Do you see what happens when you insist that the Bible should be interpreted literally?
 
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Truth is found in poetry,
Which is exactly what we said to you earlier when you were insisting that Job was literally true. You seemed, then, to be saying that poetry = fiction.
so stop giving me all your nonsense.
I'm only taking you at your word.
You insist that ALL God's word is inspired and literally true. You have written about how the Bible "mentions" the earth and how God uses certain words to describe it.

Job talks about the sea bursting forth from a womb and also of ice appearing from a womb. Whose womb? That's what I want to know.
God's, or the "womb" of the earth? How could the sea burst forth from the womb of the earth if water already existed before land was created? If the sea and ice burst forth from God's womb, how can he be Spirit and a Father?

If you are saying that this is nonsense it just shows that you do not take ALL of God's word to be literal.
So stop obsessing about individual words and claiming that they prove that the Bible teaches the shape of the earth. You either take ALL the Bible literally or you say, "it is all true but the writers used different genres to express truth. We have to study and discern which verses are literal and which aren't."
 
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Which is exactly what we said to you earlier when you were insisting that Job was literally true. You seemed, then, to be saying that poetry = fiction.

I'm only taking you at your word.
You insist that ALL God's word is inspired and literally true. You have written about how the Bible "mentions" the earth and how God uses certain words to describe it.

Job talks about the sea bursting forth from a womb and also of ice appearing from a womb. Whose womb? That's what I want to know.
God's, or the "womb" of the earth? How could the sea burst forth from the womb of the earth if water already existed before land was created? If the sea and ice burst forth from God's womb, how can he be Spirit and a Father?

If you are saying that this is nonsense it just shows that you do not take ALL of God's word to be literal.
So stop obsessing about individual words and claiming that they prove that the Bible teaches the shape of the earth. You either take ALL the Bible literally or you say, "it is all true but the writers used different genres to express truth. We have to study and discern which verses are literal and which aren't."

Lets face it, the Bible is a well supported flat earth book, get over it.
 
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Lets face it, the Bible is a well supported flat earth book, get over it.
Another deflection because you can't answer my questions.

In other words, you are selective.
You choose who you will believe - yes to Dean Odel, no to fellow Christians. You choose how you will interpret the Bible; literally, if it supports your beliefs but anything which challenges them is metaphorical or poetic. Anything that is too hard for you to answer you mock, or completely ignore.
 
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You choose who you will believe - yes to Dean Odel, no to fellow Christians.

Dean is a fellow Christian.

You choose how you will interpret the Bible; literally,

No I don't choose how to interpret the Bible literally, I read the Bible for what it says & is.

Anything that is too hard for you to answer you mock, or completely ignore.

I find nothing to hard to answer, so I have no need to mock or ignore.
 
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Prove to me that they did.
What sort of proof are you asking for? Strong in Him has already told you that 12 men say they have been to the moon, 4 of whom are still alive, and 2 of whom are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Their accounts are available, as presumably are accounts of others involved. However, you simply write off their word as lies.
 
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Yes, but you'd be hard pushed to get the breadth & width of it.
The same is true of a disc. It has a diameter but that's the same top to bottom, left to right, and anywhere between. You said breadth is the distance left to right.
 
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State for me a verse that indicates to the earth being a spinning ball.
Why? Unlike you, I have never claimed that the bible mentions the shape of the earth. If the bible doesn't indicate the shape of the earth, how could I state a verse that indicates that the earth is a spinning ball?
 
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If the earth was a ball wouldn't God have said 'Circumference' instead of 'Breadth' ?
But a disc has a circumference too. Incidentally the circumference is not the breadth; it's the distance all the way round the edge of the disc, or all the way round the globe.
 
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