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The point is Trump is forming a coalition of people with expertise and experience to transition into government and not being the dictator the Left claim. These people seem to come from a broad spectrum of positions and are pretty common sense and decent people. I would not say they are deluding themselves for power but rather basically agree with the core principles Trump is standing on.

Linda McMahon, Trump's former head of the Small Business Administration, and Howard Lutnick, the billionaire CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald and BGC Group, were named as co-chairs of this team. Vice presidential nominee JD Vance, along with his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, were designated as honorary co-chairs. Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is another included as possible members. Elon Musk and other business people will serve as possible administrators.

This transition team does not spark any confidence. The co-chairs are business people with only one having a brief stint on top of a government agency. I has seen little to no reporting on how the SBA was run during her time there so I don't know if she was competent or destructive or what. The "honorary co-chairs" are a big pile of nothings. Two of them ran for federal office without any real history to support such a position (laughably, one ran for president) and one did manage to win a close election (well underperforming other members of his party in that state) and now has a grand total of 2 years of *legislative* experience. I see no one but McMahon who has ever worked in the executive side of government.
 
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The problem with "colorblindness" is that it doesn't address racial injustice. It just ignores it. We shouldn't be colorblind, we should be aware of actual realities of inequality and injustice as faced by people of color.
Colorblind is not ignoring racial injustice. Much of the civil rights movement with Dr King was based on colorblind principles that black not get special treatment but just the same treatment as everyone else. As the Declaration and Human Rights upheld that all people regardless of race, religion or sex have those same rights.

Much progress was made with colorblind policies. The same injustices could have been identified with colorblind policies and would have maintained even and equal treatment without robbing one to benefit another as with the reverse descrimiination policies of equity where as one group are privildged for attention another is neglected.

It can be easily identified that one demographic may be disadvantaged and need support by using the human individual as the measure regardless of identity. Its simple. Any human no matter what who is being disadvantaged needs support full stop. Because we can always find a disadvantage with any group no matter if they are white, brown, black, male, non binary or female.
When black people tell white people, "This is what we experience", the correct course of action isn't to ignore it, dismiss it, or call black people liars, or tell them they "have a victim mentality"--it's to recognize that this is the real and lived experience of people who, because of centuries of real issues that are STILL ongoing, are still not treated the same as white people. And it gets worse when the response is simply to call this "woke" as a pejorative term, or get upset rather than have genuine compassion.
No one is ignoring minorities and thats the lie ideologues push. That whites are inherently racist and ignoring blacks. This is simply not the case especially today. We bend over backwards to acknowledge minority disadvantage. In fact overly so some thing.

We listen to peoples stories, its part of everyday life. We are constantly immerced in them to the point everyone has a story. But thats ok and not really the issue. The issue is that these narratives have become the only measure of reality and no one knows whats real or not anymore. We are told to just believe all narratives coming out of the mouths of people like its a religion. When we know or use to know that this was not necessarily the reality. That people imagine things or subjectively feel things that are not necessarily true.

So its not that peoples stories and narratives are irrelevant or true but that the ideology has made it that stories and narratives are thye only truth and fact and thus rendering any way of determining reality from

My comfort, as a white person who doesn't experience racial prejudice at a systemic and social level, should not be prioritized over the real sufferings of real people who suffer solely because they were born with a higher concentration of melanin in their skin, and whose ancestors were slaves. And that's what "colorblindness" is, it's "I don't want to think about this unpleasant reality, so I'm going to stick my head in the sand".
No its not. This is false and a misrepresentation. Even the way you word this "my comfort as a white person' like being white = comfort. Tell that to the large white population in abject poverty. Or the many whites addicted and homeless on the streets or white boys who now have dropped below Asians and women in education.

We can find disadvantage for all groups in some way, shape or form.

But what this narrow view that makes everything about race also does is it falsely blames at least some if not much of the disadvantage caused on whites when it had nothing to do with them. Whereas much may have to do with class or even social norms such as the dissolution of marriage which affects all but black families disproportionately. But that is nothing to do with race.
You may not like it, but the past informs the present. We don't get to where we are now without what happened before. And if we don't address the sins of the past, and actually address the pains of the present, then we don't get healing in the future. Instead we just maintain a status quo.
That is what we have been doing. In case you didn't notice there was a civil rights movement which really began all this. WE have had movements of all sorts since on breast cancer, every possible disease and disorder has some reprentation. We have disproportionally spent millions on programs education, and have laws that forbid descrimination.

Compare this to some of the cultures even western ideologues support against the west who gave them the right to protest and most minorities would either be enslaved or thrown off a roof for such expressions of freedoms.

The west are not a nations of inherent racists and its racist to even say that.
A bare amount of empathy is all that is required here. I don't know what it's like to be black in America, and I never will.
Well I do as my ancestors are black and were slaves. My grandfather married a black women whose decendents were free slaves in Nova Scotia. .

We need empathy for all at the same time. Know one knows what its like for a young white kid in the suburbs with ADHD and a single mum struggling on benefits in a violent relationship. Know one knows what its like for a white dude who has a mental illness homeless and addicted to drugs. Know one knows what its like for many situations where certain demographics make them more supceptible to disadvantage.

Its not about not having empathy. We all have empathy as we are human. Its about upholding the individual as soverign and not the group. Empathy for just being human. When you throw your empathy behind one group more than the other you are devaluing empathy for the other.
But when my black neighbors tell me what they experience, when they tell me their struggles, when they tell me the truth of their lives in a country that, historically, hates them. The absolute least I could do is listen and believe them, and take them seriously.
Of course. here you have another human in front of you pouring their heart out. We should have empathy even if we have problems ourselves. We want to help in some way and not just walk away. Its a pit people don't do that more. But I think people who lack empathy don't descriminate. They just don't want to get involved. Their time is too precious or they are scared of getting inolved.
And if I am going to take Jesus seriously when He says "Love your neighbor" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", then I should do more than just listen, I should want to see a positive change in how this society operates. That my black neighbors be afforded every single bare minimum right and privilege that I, as a white person, have and experience.
Yes and thats not just a Jesus thing. Its Human Rights and the foundation of most western nations Declaration. That as individuals regardless of race we have certain inalienable natural God given Rights. So when we see our neighbour regardless of race like the Good Samaritan we help them.

Race should not come into it. We should be saying oh here is X identity group and I need to make sure they are helped. We should automatically be thinking individual made in Gods image. In that way we are seeing them not just through their skin color or gender but as a child of God. Having that individual value rather than group value.
So, yeah, that means focusing on race. The history of race in the context of American history. Being honest about past and present failures of America as it pertains to race. And focusing on systemic changes that actually create beneficial long term affects that are positive toward reconciliation and healing of these deep wounds.
Fair enough. But I think we can do all that without making race the only focus. It needs to be done in balance. Considering all factors including non race factors that contribute as well as doing the same for all individuals that suffer disadvantage below a certain level such as human rights.
And the same is true when we talk about, gender. I'm a man, so I don't know what it's like to be a woman in America. But I can believe women when they tell me what they've experienced. I don't know what it's like to be afraid to go to a social gathering because someone might put drugs in my drink. I don't know what it's like to be objectified by total strangers out in public who tell me all the gross and dehumanizing things they want to do to me or my body. I don't know what it's like to be statistically more likely to be sexually assaulted, or when sexually assaulted have people ask me what I was wearing. But I have known a lot of women who have been good, close personal friends. And 9/10 of them, when they open up to me, have shared these sorts of experiences. Almost every single woman I have known has experienced sexual assault or rape. And chances are, that's the same for the women you know.
Um no not really. I know of women who don't think every mans a potential rapist. Though male abuse is real and we should always believe a women who has experienced such abuse or decrimination I can say that many men have a deep respect for women and will bend over backwards to help them Thats really a sad indictment on society if its a bad as you say. Somehow I dont think so. And I work in industries that support women so have first hand experience.

But referring back to the difference between your genuine Christ empathy compared to the ideology that makes race, sex and gender the only measure of reality. Women are a good example when it comes to believing subjective gender identity. Women are ignored when they say they feel uncomfortable or disempowered when a biological male posing as a women comes into their spaces.

This is an example of how the ideology works. By making identity like race and gender as the only measure even trumping objective reality its a religion itself. We are literally being descriminant and winding back woemns rights in promoting such nonense.
And, I don't know, it seems pretty antithetical to everything I believe as a Christian to dismiss it, or trivialize that, or to say "well I don't experience that, so it doesn't really affect me", or to lack empathy, compassion, or to want things to be better for women. Or to tell myself that women are all just lying, or "being emotional", or whatever excuse someone might want to offer to either avoid thinking about uncomfortable topics, or worse, avoid taking personal responsibility and change how we act or how we think.

And to dismiss all of this as just "woke", demonstrates not merely a lack of basic empathy and compassion for one's neighbor; but comes across as an active disdain for your fellow human beings.

-CryptoLutheran
Unfortunately at least some of it if not most nowadays within our public institutions at least but also socially on line its Woke. It began as PC and cancel culture but has morphed into something of weird proportions that you cannot define it as Woke. I think that is why some are getting specific and naming its foundemental basis such as DEI.

DEI is a real thing and based on fringe critical theories such as Critical Social Justice, Feminist, Black and Queer studies. It also has aspects of Marxism but is not Marxism in the traditional sense. That is why behind many of their ideologues such as climate activists, Trans, Pro Palestinian, BLM ect you will also find that theres a socialist underpinning. To dismantle the status quo and replace it with some socialist Utopia.

There is also some Postmodernism which is in most of the Humanities today. The idea that there is no truth or objective reality and reality is self referential and relative and created through narratives, feelings and experiences. All else is power. Western knowledge is power, Math is power, science is power. So scientific facts are a way of abusing power.

Thats how they can make the belief in being a women trump the objective reality of biological sex. Because its a white mans construction to disempower those who don't conform to binary sex. You will need to do some research as this is cannot explain to you what is happening.
 
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This transition team does not spark any confidence. The co-chairs are business people with only one having a brief stint on top of a government agency. I has seen little to no reporting on how the SBA was run during her time there so I don't know if she was competent or destructive or what. The "honorary co-chairs" are a big pile of nothings. Two of them ran for federal office without any real history to support such a position (laughably, one ran for president) and one did manage to win a close election (well underperforming other members of his party in that state) and now has a grand total of 2 years of *legislative* experience. I see no one but McMahon who has ever worked in the executive side of government.
Maybe that is exactly what is need. People who have not worked in politics. It seems to me we have had decades of politicians wrecking things and make the world less safe and resourced. More divided and conflicted. Less facilities and provisions and more waste and incompetence for our tax dollar.

Like I said this has been coming for some time where people were getting sick of career politicians who were completely out of touch with the reality of life for voters.

But I notice in your tone its all negative. You will rip down every individual one by one regardless of their merit. Maybe there are better candidates for the team. But I would certainly say they are capable. The point is they are part of a team of varying skills and experiences and not all career politicians.

I mean its rediculous that people are bagging a future team that is yet to be tested while they allow an incompentent puppet to play president right here and now.

Then parachute an unvetted and less qualified political appointment into the presidental candidate because they got caught out with sleepy Joe. Only to have to coverup Kamarla's incompetencies on the run during the campaign instead of finding out like last time during the vetting process that she was not presidential. Its hilarious .
 
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Colorblind is not ignoring racial injustice. Much of the civil rights movement with Dr King was based on colorblind principles that black not get special treatment but just the same treatment as everyone else. As the Declaration and Human Rights upheld that all people regardless of race, religion or sex have those same rights.

Nobody thinks that black people should "get special treatment", it's about fair treatment, equitable treatment, just treatment.

And if you think Dr. King advocated for "colorblind principles" then I'm willing to bet that the literal only thing you know about Dr. King is the line from his I Have a Dream speech about not being judged by the color of one's skin but the content of their character--and have fundamentally misunderstood it.

Because one doesn't get to King's dream by being colorblind, but by a full awareness of racial injustice.

I don't pretend to be an expert on Dr. King, but I have read and listened to King beyond the handful of quotes that get brandied about to try and whitewash King and make him non-threatening.

Dr. King was a threat in the 1960's, and here's the hard truth: Dr. King is still a threat in 2024. In 1967 King would say the hard realism is that the road was a long, long ways away. Things have moved at a snail's pace since King's day. The odometer of racial justice has barely budged.

Much progress was made with colorblind policies. The same injustices could have been identified with colorblind policies and would have maintained even and equal treatment without robbing one to benefit another as with the reverse descrimiination policies of equity where as one group are privildged for attention another is neglected.

It can be easily identified that one demographic may be disadvantaged and need support by using the human individual as the measure regardless of identity. Its simple. Any human no matter what who is being disadvantaged needs support full stop. Because we can always find a disadvantage with any group no matter if they are white, brown, black, male, non binary or female.

No one is ignoring minorities and thats the lie ideologues push. That whites are inherently racist and ignoring blacks. This is simply not the case especially today. We bend over backwards to acknowledge minority disadvantage. In fact overly so some thing.

We listen to peoples stories, its part of everyday life. We are constantly immerced in them to the point everyone has a story. But thats ok and not really the issue. The issue is that these narratives have become the only measure of reality and no one knows whats real or not anymore. We are told to just believe all narratives coming out of the mouths of people like its a religion. When we know or use to know that this was not necessarily the reality. That people imagine things or subjectively feel things that are not necessarily true.

So its not that peoples stories and narratives are irrelevant or true but that the ideology has made it that stories and narratives are thye only truth and fact and thus rendering any way of determining reality from


No its not. This is false and a misrepresentation. Even the way you word this "my comfort as a white person' like being white = comfort. Tell that to the large white population in abject poverty. Or the many whites addicted and homeless on the streets or white boys who now have dropped below Asians and women in education.

We can find disadvantage for all groups in some way, shape or form.

But what this narrow view that makes everything about race also does is it falsely blames at least some if not much of the disadvantage caused on whites when it had nothing to do with them. Whereas much may have to do with class or even social norms such as the dissolution of marriage which affects all but black families disproportionately. But that is nothing to do with race.

That is what we have been doing. In case you didn't notice there was a civil rights movement which really began all this. WE have had movements of all sorts since on breast cancer, every possible disease and disorder has some reprentation. We have disproportionally spent millions on programs education, and have laws that forbid descrimination.

Compare this to some of the cultures even western ideologues support against the west who gave them the right to protest and most minorities would either be enslaved or thrown off a roof for such expressions of freedoms.

The west are not a nations of inherent racists and its racist to even say that.

Well I do as my ancestors are black and were slaves. My grandfather married a black women whose decendents were free slaves in Nova Scotia. .

We need empathy for all at the same time. Know one knows what its like for a young white kid in the suburbs with ADHD and a single mum struggling on benefits in a violent relationship. Know one knows what its like for a white dude who has a mental illness homeless and addicted to drugs. Know one knows what its like for many situations where certain demographics make them more supceptible to disadvantage.

Its not about not having empathy. We all have empathy as we are human. Its about upholding the individual as soverign and not the group. Empathy for just being human. When you throw your empathy behind one group more than the other you are devaluing empathy for the other.

Of course. here you have another human in front of you pouring their heart out. We should have empathy even if we have problems ourselves. We want to help in some way and not just walk away. Its a pit people don't do that more. But I think people who lack empathy don't descriminate. They just don't want to get involved. Their time is too precious or they are scared of getting inolved.

Yes and thats not just a Jesus thing. Its Human Rights and the foundation of most western nations Declaration. That as individuals regardless of race we have certain inalienable natural God given Rights. So when we see our neighbour regardless of race like the Good Samaritan we help them.

Race should not come into it. We should be saying oh here is X identity group and I need to make sure they are helped. We should automatically be thinking individual made in Gods image. In that way we are seeing them not just through their skin color or gender but as a child of God. Having that individual value rather than group value.

Fair enough. But I think we can do all that without making race the only focus. It needs to be done in balance. Considering all factors including non race factors that contribute as well as doing the same for all individuals that suffer disadvantage below a certain level such as human rights.

Um no not really. I know of women who don't think every mans a potential rapist. Though male abuse is real and we should always believe a women who has experienced such abuse or decrimination I can say that many men have a deep respect for women and will bend over backwards to help them Thats really a sad indictment on society if its a bad as you say. Somehow I dont think so. And I work in industries that support women so have first hand experience.

But referring back to the difference between your genuine Christ empathy compared to the ideology that makes race, sex and gender the only measure of reality. Women are a good example when it comes to believing subjective gender identity. Women are ignored when they say they feel uncomfortable or disempowered when a biological male posing as a women comes into their spaces.

This is an example of how the ideology works. By making identity like race and gender as the only measure even trumping objective reality its a religion itself. We are literally being descriminant and winding back woemns rights in promoting such nonense.

Unfortunately at least some of it if not most nowadays within our public institutions at least but also socially on line its Woke. It began as PC and cancel culture but has morphed into something of weird proportions that you cannot define it as Woke. I think that is why some are getting specific and naming its foundemental basis such as DEI.

DEI is a real thing and based on fringe critical theories such as Critical Social Justice, Feminist, Black and Queer studies. It also has aspects of Marxism but is not Marxism in the traditional sense. That is why behind many of their ideologues such as climate activists, Trans, Pro Palestinian, BLM ect you will also find that theres a socialist underpinning. To dismantle the status quo and replace it with some socialist Utopia.

There is also some Postmodernism which is in most of the Humanities today. The idea that there is no truth or objective reality and reality is self referential and relative and created through narratives, feelings and experiences. All else is power. Western knowledge is power, Math is power, science is power. So scientific facts are a way of abusing power.

Thats how they can make the belief in being a women trump the objective reality of biological sex. Because its a white mans construction to disempower those who don't conform to binary sex. You will need to do some research as this is cannot explain to you what is happening.

You don't know what the heck you're talking about. The fact that you would brandy the name of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. the way you did is enough to prove that.

You don't understand these issues. You aren't listening to the people you ought to listen to. You listen to only those who benefit from hate and racism. And as long as you do that, you're on the wrong side. You're on the side of the wicked powers and principalities who oppress your neighbor. There are many ways to be evil, but justice knows only one path: Doing that which is right.

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Yes. It most very definitely is. The man is not someone that should ever have been considered for a candidate for high office.
We all have a right to our own opinion and my opinion is your disdain for Trump is based on something far more sinister than the actual facts.

After we have lived through almost 4 years senility, corruption, the disintegration of our border, law fare and total disregard for our constitution Trump is exactly what is needed fore the high office of our land. This unnatural hatred for Trump is based on nothing but the desire of liberals to not be hindered in their quest for absolute control.
 
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This unnatural hatred for Trump is based on nothing but the desire of liberals to not be hindered in their quest for absolute control.
I swear that if I had the power to place anyone into the WH and all that was available were Republicans I would do it immediately.
 
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Maybe that is exactly what is need. People who have not worked in politics. It seems to me we have had decades of politicians wrecking things and make the world less safe and resourced. More divided and conflicted. Less facilities and provisions and more waste and incompetence for our tax dollar.
It's not *political* experience that is needed on the transition, but *government* experience. The US Federal government is a large enterprise. The whole point of the transition team is to smoothly transfer control of the apparatus of the federal government (about 4000 presidential appointees) with minimal disruption. Familiarity with government is important for those managing the transition. Eight years it was a bit of a mess (in no small part because Trump's team was too small for too long) and that transition was lead by an experience hand in US government, Chris Christie.
Like I said this has been coming for some time where people were getting sick of career politicians who were completely out of touch with the reality of life for voters.

But I notice in your tone its all negative. You will rip down every individual one by one regardless of their merit. Maybe there are better candidates for the team. But I would certainly say they are capable. The point is they are part of a team of varying skills and experiences and not all career politicians.

I mean its rediculous that people are bagging a future team that is yet to be tested while they allow an incompentent puppet to play president right here and now.

Then parachute an unvetted and less qualified political appointment into the presidental candidate because they got caught out with sleepy Joe. Only to have to coverup Kamarla's incompetencies on the run during the campaign instead of finding out like last time during the vetting process that she was not presidential. Its hilarious .
This isn't about non-politicians.
 
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It's not *political* experience that is needed on the transition, but *government* experience. The US Federal government is a large enterprise. The whole point of the transition team is to smoothly transfer control of the apparatus of the federal government (about 4000 presidential appointees) with minimal disruption. Familiarity with government is important for those managing the transition. Eight years it was a bit of a mess (in no small part because Trump's team was too small for too long) and that transition was lead by an experience hand in US government, Chris Christie.

This isn't about non-politicians.
Do you really think Kamala is smart enough to head up your stated governmental operational responsibilities? Chris Christie ? Surely you jest!
 
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Do you really think Kamala is smart enough to head up your stated governmental operational responsibilities? Chris Christie ? Surely you jest!

Compared to... Donald Trump?

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Do you really think Kamala is smart enough to head up your stated governmental operational responsibilities? Chris Christie ? Surely you jest!
Do you doubt that Chris Christie has extensive experience in government? What is wrong with Chris Christie?
 
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Nobody thinks that black people should "get special treatment", it's about fair treatment, equitable treatment, just treatment.

And if you think Dr. King advocated for "colorblind principles" then I'm willing to bet that the literal only thing you know about Dr. King is the line from his I Have a Dream speech about not being judged by the color of one's skin but the content of their character--and have fundamentally misunderstood it.

Because one doesn't get to King's dream by being colorblind, but by a full awareness of racial injustice.
Actually Kings dream is the very difference to the colorblind approach and the DEI approach even way back then. Civil rights sprang out from the Black church. The more racial aspect of the movement (making it all about race and power) sprang out of that which was more about deconstruction of the status quo through subversion and activism including violence.

This contrasted with King who took the colorblind aspproach and seen the equal community as the beloved community as Gods children. The black race power movement such as Malcom X and Black Panthers later became internal, through academia from which Critical Race theory and DEI later came. So the ideology began back then and became a war by the Critical theories.

The point is just like back then when Dr KIng was arguing for a peacefull and colorblind approach from the church the anti establishment including anti God movement began in opposition.

What is telling is that just like back then the Critical theories approach (which is an ideology and not fact) alienates the black church. Their ideas are based on decontructionism. Tear down society and rebuild a socialist Utopia. But as with back in the 60s and now 80% plus of black people are Christians. So DEI is actually anti Christian and deconstructs the black church and belief which is what has caused most of their disadvantage.

How Critical Race Theory Marginalizes the African American Christian Tradition
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1037&context=mjrl

The concerning that an element of that violent activism is coming back as we see with the BLM riots and the like. But not just related to blacks but as we have see with the Jews and violence against women and even Christians. As opposed to the colorblind Beloved community King envisioned.
I don't pretend to be an expert on Dr. King, but I have read and listened to King beyond the handful of quotes that get brandied about to try and whitewash King and make him non-threatening.

Dr. King was a threat in the 1960's, and here's the hard truth: Dr. King is still a threat in 2024. In 1967 King would say the hard realism is that the road was a long, long ways away. Things have moved at a snail's pace since King's day. The odometer of racial justice has barely budged.
Yes and so has Gods kingdom. Some things when done properly and peacefully take time. I have studied Dr King and there is a misconception about what he stood for. Some say he even supported the deconstructionist approach of the Black power movement.

But he was wise beyond most people. Saw Gods vision and not mans in how the Beloved community could overcome many differences. But like I said the Black power movement went underground and now has converged with a bunch of other activists and what we have today, the division, and hate in society is the result.
You don't know what the heck you're talking about. The fact that you would brandy the name of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. the way you did is enough to prove that.

You don't understand these issues. You aren't listening to the people you ought to listen to. You listen to only those who benefit from hate and racism. And as long as you do that, you're on the wrong side. You're on the side of the wicked powers and principalities who oppress your neighbor. There are many ways to be evil, but justice knows only one path: Doing that which is right.

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I actually study this and understand both sides. You have to to know the difference. I am not taking any side. I am just reporting and explaining. Most people are not aware of how DEI evolved through academia going back the post civil rights. I suggest you do some research on how the Critical theories developed and how this relates to what is happening in society today, in our public institutions.

You even agreed to an extent when you said that it is Christ, it is God who we must follow. So immediately we can see that the Left and their ideology and Woke DEI or whatever you want to call it, a progressive Utopia is anti God and Christ. It has actually destroyed the black church and community. Not just the blacks but everyone. It wants no God or gods only humankind as the god to construction social order in their own image and not Gods.


Considering that even as secular nations the west was build on God as that we are made in His image and on Christianity and what came from this such as Human Rights its very worrying that such an anto God power can rule over us.
 
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It's not *political* experience that is needed on the transition, but *government* experience. The US Federal government is a large enterprise. The whole point of the transition team is to smoothly transfer control of the apparatus of the federal government (about 4000 presidential appointees) with minimal disruption. Familiarity with government is important for those managing the transition. Eight years it was a bit of a mess (in no small part because Trump's team was too small for too long) and that transition was lead by an experience hand in US government, Chris Christie.
OK so I guess he has learnt from that and wants a broad pectrum of views as well as expertise. The point is he is taking it seriously and preparing. Remembering that the team is the overseer and there will be 1,00s of appointments to key positions and the like.

But I keep coming back to this idea of dismissing a potential team based on spectulations and the current approach taken by the Dems with the mess they have created by the total lack of planning and expertise involved. How can anyone on the Left take the speck out of Trumps eye when they have a massive log in their own.
This isn't about non-politicians.
Most of who I mentioned were politicians, in Harris and Biden and the minders behind them. But its silly to say this is not about non politicians when it was the elite Left who actually have the power to sway things as to who gets to be the candidate. To be sure there is plenty of influence from non political circles.
 
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One doesn't need to 'make out' anything. He is the worst possible character that has ever stood for high office. Bar none.
Really, what about Hitler, Genghis Khan, Mao perhaps. The Left hyperboles.
You are living in an alternative reality where a man like this can even be considered as a candidate.
Can you see what your doing though. Your more or less saying all Trump supporters are idiots and without commonsense or integrity.

That in itself is seen as just as bad or even worse than anything claimed about Trump. That is what is fueling the backlash against the Dems. Its ironic and hilarious. They are actually cultivating Trump supporters.

The Dems the party supposedly for democracy and the people, the little man and hated the elite capitalist has itself become the elite snobs who look down on the majority of people. And the Right have become the part of the working class who made America.
Again, he'd be treated as a joke in Australia. How it has got to the point where he is in with a chance of a SECOND shot at the most important job there has ever been is not something I can readily grasp. I'm confused as to how we have reached such low point.
Thats because you believed all the lies by the Woke Left. They are good at it. But they have been busted manipulating media to paint their false picture. Look at how bias even the judicators of the debate were in what is suppose to be a neutral event. Their grip on comtrol has reach the election process itself.

That is one of the reasons people support Trump. But of course you don;t see that because your biased and like others thing that being biased and even in front of peoples faces is ok because its justified for a greater cause. Its how Woke works, it takes a nobel cause and uses it to impose the agenda, the ideology and socialist Utopia.

So think of it that way. That those who support Trump see stopping the Left and Harris as stopping socialist control over society. Though Trump has his weaknesses they see the greater issue of stopping socialism and Woke ideology from taking over.

But what do you say that those on the Right also think the same as you. They cannot understand how a Leftist could believe and advocate what they do. So obviously there is this polarised opposite belief which is strange in itself regardless of who is right. It use to be more in the middle and now its divided and conflicted.

Maybe no one is truely right and its a battle between two bad options. People have to choose the one closest to their principle beliefs.
 
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Really, what about Hitler, Genghis Khan, Mao perhaps. The Left hyperboles.
Please don't be ridiculous.
Can you see what your doing though. Your more or less saying all Trump supporters are idiots and without commonsense or integrity.
Anyone who votes for him is making a conscious effort to ignore his appalling behaviour. You'd need to speak to the individuals as to how they manage to do it.
 
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Please don't be ridiculous.
Really, is it that ridiculous.

You read that right: “Hitler Pig.” That moniker, four people in Biden’s orbit told West Wing Playbook, is one that aides to and allies of the president — generally younger, more digitally native individuals, not senior staffers, one person clarified — frequently use to describe Trump.

A Google search of the term brings up various images (search at your own risk) depicting the former president as, well, a pig. With a swastika armband.
That suggests the characterization started online and was adopted later by people in the president’s orbit.


But its also the staffers and even higher ranks that use this depiction in various ways.
Anyone who votes for him is making a conscious effort to ignore his appalling behaviour.
Like I said what is appalling to one side is not as appalling as what they percieve the Left has done.
You'd need to speak to the individuals as to how they manage to do it.
Like I said this can be explained by the fact that much of what is said is designed to undermine Trump and not based in fact and reality. There is a massive bias so everything is exaggerated, made hyperbole and even outright lying to stop Trump. Its all justified. Which comes from the Woke ideology that victims are not committing violence and lying but standing up for whats right.

The other factor obviously is this is about belief and not always the rationalisations people give if x then y. What the Left may see as appalling behaviour may be less of an issue then perhaps a bigger issue such as percieving that the Left is a threat to Freedoms with their socialist and Woke agenda.

So in that context the Right have a reason for why they consider but don't allow Trumps behaviour to over rule the greater issue at stake. That is why Kennedy and Gabbarb and many others have come over to Trump. They knew of his behaviour and disliked him for it. But now the stakes are higher and its about freedom itself and if it takes Trump with his flaws to achieve that then this is all that is important.

I am sure the Left think the same. Harris is not the best candidate. She was a political appointment like Gay was at Harvard. Biden was incoherent for years and they covered it up. They compromised their principles to keep power. They compromised democracy to keep power. So people have to weigh up which is worse or not vote at all.
 
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Like I said this can be explained by the fact that much of what is said is designed to undermine Trump and not based in fact and reality.
Don't treat me like an idiot.

He had sex with a porn star when his wife was pregnant. He is literallynon record saying that he is justified in grabbing women by the genitals. He was found to.have sexualising assaulted a woman by digitally penetrating her. He has described a hero of the Vietnam war as being not a hero because he was captured. He has lied, and is still lying about the election having been stolen. There is a 160 page report recently issued that has a gargantuan amount of first hand evidence. The man lies constantly. It just goes on and on and on.

Be honest. Could you ever see a man with just a single one of those faults ever.being considered as PM down here? Not in a million years.
What the Left may see as appalling behaviour may be less of an issue
All that I noted, and more, is 'less of an issue' for some people?

What on EARTH would he have to do before people say that enough is enough? What would he have to do for you to say that?
 
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Don't treat me like an idiot.

He had sex with a porn star when his wife was pregnant.
I am not treating you like an idiot but stating facts. The moral outrage about Trump is hypocracy at the highest level coming from a party that trumpets the freedom of sex perversion and who dismantled marriage and the family to the point its meaningless and destroyed. First take the beam out of the Lefts eyes. Besides the Left don't believe in moral truth.
He is literallynon record saying that he is justified in grabbing women by the genitals. He was found to.have sexualising assaulted a woman by digitally penetrating her. He has described a hero of the Vietnam war as being not a hero because he was captured.
Actually as far as misrepresenting peoples character the Left do that all the time. If its not pretending they have more qualifications stories about how good they are which are false to make themselves better than they are. They are directly attacking peoples integrity. Like when Harris has labelled good Christian people as trouble makers. She even got reprimanded by the supreme court judge for doing so.

Or like how some on the Left claimed Trump did not display courage during the assassination attempt and it was all staged or his fault. Its politics and it can get dirty. Has been that way for a long time now. Gloves are off now it seems.
He has lied, and is still lying about the election having been stolen. There is a 160 page report recently issued that has a gargantuan amount of first hand evidence. The man lies constantly. It just goes on and on and on.
So does the Left. The biggest being that Biden was and still is coherent to be president of the US. The biggest lie right in front of everyone in which the Left gaslights the nation.

The 2nd biggest being that Harris is the best candidate for president and the manipulation of information and the use of lawfare to keep power and covering it up.

All the rhetoric about Trump is moral outrage. But the Left have no leg to stand on when it comes to morality.
Be honest. Could you ever see a man with just a single one of those faults ever.being considered as PM down here? Not in a million years.
No not years ago but today yes. As I said it has become more than politics. Its personal, its identity, image, narratives, and not what someone has done or stands for principly. Its about power, holding onto power.

Society has lost all comprehension and measure of what is right and wrong, real or unreal. So nothing surprises me.
All that I noted, and more, is 'less of an issue' for some people?
Yes, look at it this way. If there was a situation people believed they were headed for a situation where their freedoms and reality itself was going to be destroyed if the present situation continued.

There was a person who represented a way to avoid that situation who had these flaws you speak about. But nevertheless at this point in time as things turned out was the only way that the situation of losing freedoms and reality could be avoided.

That is Trump supporters. Despite Trumps flaws which as I said are exaggerated and is moral outrage for which morality is subjective you can see how people in that situation have little choice.

Its not that don't know these flaws or even dislike him for them. Its that they see him as more the vehicle in which their beliefs can be put forward. The only other option is the Left but they are the ones they fear more than Trump.

Like I said its a bit like the Left in making an incompetent Biden or a fake and radical ideologue like Harris leaders and do everything to coverup their inadequacies. Because they would rather a incoherent Biden or a radical Kamarla than Trump. Not because they are the best candidates but because they don't want Trump. They know deep down that Harris and Biden are inadequate.

The same with Trump supporters. They are doing exactly the same as the Left. Except the Left are taking some higher Woke moral ground on this as though they don't do the same thing.
What on EARTH would he have to do before people say that enough is enough? What would he have to do for you to say that?
Well I guess stop the ideologues and radical socialists from taking freedoms away. That seems to be the biggest fear. Stop that and you stop people like Trump and go back to a more moderate place like we use to have.

But I think its too late. As each party has become more radical the divide has become too big.
 
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I am not treating you like an idiot but stating facts. The moral outrage about Trump is hypocracy at the highest level coming from a party that trumpets the freedom of sex and who dismantled marriage and the family to the point its meaningless and destruction.
Then don't vote for anyone on the left! Perceived problems with any one candidate doesn't excuse the factual problems of another. Stop using what you think others have done to excuse what Trump has done. Deal with it as it is.
All the rhetoric about Trump is moral outrage. But the Left have no leg to stand on when it comes to morality.
I'm not arguing for the left. I am not making comparisons. I'm pointing out the immorality of Trump. His lies. His infidelity. His complete unsuitability of a.person considered for high office. 'The other guys are just as bad' is completely and utterly ignoring the problem.

Which is how I guess you can live with supporting someone as atrociously inept in all ways for the presidency. You ignore his faults.
No not years ago but today yes.
Now I know that you are not arguing sincerely. There is literally no-one in politics today in Australia that could come anywhere near being a candidate for PM that has one tenth the problems that Trump has had and still exhibits on a daily basis. I challenge you to name anyone who could.
 
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Do you doubt that Chris Christie has extensive experience in government? What is wrong with Chris Christie?
Not as a conservative Republican. He does hate Trump so I guess that does give him points with you.BTW nice dodge on the Kamala question. I understand why.
 
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