EXPLAIN ROM 4:1 ??

[Dan Perez]

1 Cor 4:1-2

LET // LOGIZOMAI , is in the Greek Present Tense , in the Middle or Passive Voice and in the Imperative Mood , in the Singular

A MAN // ANTROPOS in the Greek Nominative Case , man is the subject , in the Singular

So // HOUTO is an adverb

ACCOUNT // LOGIZOMAI , in the Present Tense , in the MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE

OF US // HEMAS is a Personal Possessive Pronoun , in the Greek ACCUSATIVE CASE in the Plural

AS // and ADVERD

OF THE MINISTER // HYPERETS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in the Plural .

AND // HAI , an Conjunction

STEWARDS // OIKONOMOS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the Plural

OF THE MYSTRIES // MYSTERION , in the Genitive Case in the Plural in the Neuter , meaning Male and Female

OF GOD // THEOS in the Genitive Case in the Signular


# 1 It says that we are MINISTERS .

# 2 When you minister what Gospel are you preaching ,

# 3 Paul preached God's Gospel as written in Rom 1:1

# 4 And Paul preached what is written in Eph 3:9 ,

# 5 Paul never preached water BAPTISM ,

# 6 Are you preaching water baptism ?

# 7 Are you preaching Holy Spirit Baptism ?

Your thoughts ?

dan p

 

[Diamond72]

# 7 Are you preaching Holy Spirit Baptism ?

Of course, yes, you have to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God. He is our guide and our teacher.

 

[Dan Perez]

Of course, yes, you have to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God. He is our guide and our teacher.

And I believe that Paul was SEPARATED // APHORIZE , which means that he was LIMITED to only preach God's Gospel

in Rom 1:1

And that we are to be IMITATOR of me ( meaning Paul ) , just as I also am of Christ !!

As Paul is the APOSTLE of the Gentiles .

Good to see you !!

dan p

 

[Diamond72]

he was LIMITED to only preach God's Gospel

We are all limited. God watches over every word we say. I have to be very careful what I say.

 

[Dan Perez]

We are all limited. God watches over every word we say. I have to be very careful what I say.

And 1 Cor 3;9 we are ALL , God's Farmer's and we have to be careful what we PLANT and that means Eph 3:9 to receive

a reward and 1 Cor 3 :6-15 , called the BEMA SEAT !!

dan p

 

[Diamond72]

God's Framers and we have to be careful what we PLANT

We do not know when seeds take root and grow. We just do out best and trust God for the rest.

This has become the biggest problem with both of my sons. Trying to show them what they plant is going to grow.

 

[Dan Perez]

We are all limited. God watches over every word we say. I have to be very careful what I say.

Just asking as to what you mean limited too ?

1 Cor 9 says that we are a THEATER to the world and both to MN and ANGELS .

dan p

 

[Diamond72]

Just asking as to what you mean limited too ?

We have to be careful what we say. Like the example I gave for my sisters step son. I told him he should stay away from MTV because it will rot his brain out. Then about 10 years later he died from brain cancer. So we have to be really careful what we say. God judges ever word we speak.

 

[Dan Perez]

We have to be careful what we say. Like the example I gave for my sisters step son. I told him he should stay away from MTV because it will rot his brain out. Then about 10 years later he died from brain cancer. So we have to be really careful what we say. God judges ever word we speak.

And very few have called themselves DISPENSATIONALIST !!

Just asking as to what DISPENSATION // OIKONOMA means to you ?

dan p

 

[Diamond72]

Just asking as to what DISPESATION // OIKONOMA means to you ?

It means a thousand years is one year.

 

[Dan Perez]

It means a thousand years is one year.

Would like to see a verse ?

DISPENSASTION // OIKONOMIA means , OIKOS , means House and in Luke 16:2 , means STEWADSHIP or manager .

NOMOS , means a LAW .

And 1 Tim 1:4 to be in the FAITH , all have to be DISPENSARIONAL , PERIOD !!

Do not let the word EDIFYING as the Greek word in 1 Tim 1:4 is the Greek word OIKONOMIA .

So what are the HOUSE LAWS of Dispensation ?

# 1 OSAS

# 2 Have to be the FAITH

# 3 Have to be saved by Rom 10:9 and 10

# 4 All are PLACED into the Body of Christ 1 Cor 12:13

# 5 All saved by grace BECOME part of the BODY of Christ 1 Cor 12: 14-17 , just to mention a FEW !!

dan p

 

[Palmfever]

# 5 Paul never preached water BAPTISM

... Apparently some were especially dividing over the preachers who taught and/or baptized them. So he says he is glad that he did not baptize any more of them than he did.

If this is saying that baptism is not important, then the conclusion would be that Paul is rejoicing that not many people got baptized. So, it must be good to not be baptized! Such a view clearly contradicts Scripture, and it even contradicts the doctrine of those who argue that baptism is not essential to salvation, since they admit baptism is a command and most of them will not accept anyone into their denomination unless they are baptized!

Paul first raised the subject of baptism in verse 13 right alongside the subject of the crucifixion. If Paul is saying baptism is not essential to salvation, is he also saying the crucifixion is not essential to salvation? But if the crucifixion is essential, then why would Paul introduce the subject of baptism alongside it?

The fact is that in the context Paul has already explained the reason why he made his statements about baptism. He is not saying baptism does not need to be done or is not necessary to salvation. He is saying that, if he personally had done more baptizing, more people would be naming themselves after him (vv 14,15) and exalting and dividing over him. His "clique" would be even bigger. He is not saying that baptism is unnecessary, but that he wanted as little as possible to do with this problem of division over preachers.

Paul's own teaching and example make clear that he both believed and taught that baptism is essential to salvation.​

He had established the church in Corinth, and the people there were baptized as a result (Acts 18:8). He himself was baptized because he had been told what he must do (Acts 9:6), and what he was told was to be baptized and wash away his sins (Acts 22:16). He later taught that baptism is essential to come into Christ and into His death (Rom. 6:3,4; Gal. 3:27).

Furthermore, he says here in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that he was sent to preach the gospel. What does the gospel say about baptism? It says that baptism is necessary to salvation (Mark 16:15,16; 1 Peter 3:21). When Peter preached the gospel for the first
time on Pentecost, he taught that baptism was necessary for the remission of sins -- Acts 2:38. Paul taught the same gospel, not a different gospel (Gal. 1:8,9). Hence, when Paul preached the gospel, he also preached that baptism is necessary to salvation. Nothing here or elsewhere denies that.

The discussion in context makes it clear that Paul is discussing cases in which he personally did the baptizing - i.e., he performed the actual baptism himself.​

The topic under discussion is not whether or not baptism is essential to salvation. That issue was settled clearly in numerous other passages, and the Corinthians would already have understood that teaching even before they themselves were baptized. The topic under discussion is who actually did the physical act of baptizing.

In this context Paul says he was sent, not to baptize, but to preach the gospel. The point is not that baptism is not essential, but that it was not the special calling of Paul to perform the physical act of baptism itself. He was an apostle, inspired of the Holy Spirit to receive and deliver the message of the gospel. Preaching was one of his special responsibilities, and among other things he preached that baptism was essential to salvation. But as to who did the actual baptism, that was not his special work as an apostle, and it did not matter who did that.

https://gospelway.com/topics/salvation/baptism-paul-1cor.php

 

[Diamond72]

DISPENSASTION // OIKONOMIA means

If you know what it means then why ask me? I believe all the creation theory's. They are all true from their own perspective and view. People want to fight and argue about everything so I do not see where it does any good to talk about it.

 

[Palmfever]

1 Cor 4:12 says :

LET // LOGIZOMAI , is in the Greek Present Tense , in the Middle or Passive Voice and in the Imperative Mood , in the Singular

A MAN // ANTROPOS in the Greek Nominative Case , man is the subject , in the Singular

So // HOUTO is an adverb

ACCOUNT // LOGIZOMAI , in the Present Tense , in the MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE

OF US // HEMAS is a Personal Possessive Pronoun , in the Greek ACCUSATIVE CASE in the Plural

AS // and ADVERD

OF THE MINISTER // HYPERETS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in the Plural .

AND // HAI , an Conjunction

STEWARDS // OIKONOMOS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the Plural

OF THE MYSTRIES // MYSTERION , in the Genitive Case in the Plural in the Neuter , meaning Male and Female

OF GOD // THEOS in the Genitive Case in the Signular


# 1 It says that we are MINISTERS .

# 2 When you minister what Gospel are you preaching ,

# 3 Paul preached God's Gospel as written in Rom 1:1

# 4 And Paul preached what is written in Eph 3:9 ,

# 5 Paul never preached water BAPTISM ,

# 6 Are you preaching water baptism ?

# 7 Are you preaching Holy Spirit Baptism ?

Your thoughts ?

dan p

To understand Romans 4:1 we must go back to Romans 3.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; [26] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. [29] Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 4:1-12
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? [2] For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. [3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [4] Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. [5] But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. [6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. [9] Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. [10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. [11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

 

[Dan Perez]

Of course, yes, you have to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God. He is our guide and our teache

We have to be careful what we say. Like the example I gave for my sisters step son. I told him he should stay away from MTV because it will rot his brain out. Then about 10 years later he died from brain cancer. So we have to be really careful what we say. God judges ever word we speak.

Would Col 4:6 and Eph 4:29 and Pro 16:24 , be what you mean ?

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

If you know what it means then why ask me? I believe all the creation theory's. They are all true from their own perspective and view. People want to fight and argue about everything so I do not see where it does any good to talk about it.

Because you claim to be a DISPENSAIONALIST and wanted to see if you know what it means , just asking ??

dan p

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

... Apparently some were especially dividing over the preachers who taught and/or baptized them. So he says he is glad that he did not baptize any more of them than he did.

If this is saying that baptism is not important, then the conclusion would be that Paul is rejoicing that not many people got baptized. So, it must be good to not be baptized! Such a view clearly contradicts Scripture, and it even contradicts the doctrine of those who argue that baptism is not essential to salvation, since they admit baptism is a command and most of them will not accept anyone into their denomination unless they are baptized!

Paul first raised the subject of baptism in verse 13 right alongside the subject of the crucifixion. If Paul is saying baptism is not essential to salvation, is he also saying the crucifixion is not essential to salvation? But if the crucifixion is essential, then why would Paul introduce the subject of baptism alongside it?

The fact is that in the context Paul has already explained the reason why he made his statements about baptism. He is not saying baptism does not need to be done or is not necessary to salvation. He is saying that, if he personally had done more baptizing, more people would be naming themselves after him (vv 14,15) and exalting and dividing over him. His "clique" would be even bigger. He is not saying that baptism is unnecessary, but that he wanted as little as possible to do with this problem of division over preachers.

Paul's own teaching and example make clear that he both believed and taught that baptism is essential to salvation.​

He had established the church in Corinth, and the people there were baptized as a result (Acts 18:8). He himself was baptized because he had been told what he must do (Acts 9:6), and what he was told was to be baptized and wash away his sins (Acts 22:16). He later taught that baptism is essential to come into Christ and into His death (Rom. 6:3,4; Gal. 3:27).

Furthermore, he says here in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that he was sent to preach the gospel. What does the gospel say about baptism? It says that baptism is necessary to salvation (Mark 16:15,16; 1 Peter 3:21). When Peter preached the gospel for the first
time on Pentecost, he taught that baptism was necessary for the remission of sins -- Acts 2:38. Paul taught the same gospel, not a different gospel (Gal. 1:8,9). Hence, when Paul preached the gospel, he also preached that baptism is necessary to salvation. Nothing here or elsewhere denies that.

The discussion in context makes it clear that Paul is discussing cases in which he personally did the baptizing - i.e., he performed the actual baptism himself.​

The topic under discussion is not whether or not baptism is essential to salvation. That issue was settled clearly in numerous other passages, and the Corinthians would already have understood that teaching even before they themselves were baptized. The topic under discussion is who actually did the physical act of baptizing.

In this context Paul says he was sent, not to baptize, but to preach the gospel. The point is not that baptism is not essential, but that it was not the special calling of Paul to perform the physical act of baptism itself. He was an apostle, inspired of the Holy Spirit to receive and deliver the message of the gospel. Preaching was one of his special responsibilities, and among other things he preached that baptism was essential to salvation. But as to who did the actual baptism, that was not his special work as an apostle, and it did not matter who did that.

https://gospelway.com/topics/salvation/baptism-paul-1cor.php

See my OP:

TWO INTERPRETATIONS: “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.”

Interpretation A: Paul is showing his ambivalence towards the practice of Christian baptism when actual water is applied to the human body with the Triune formula. In this sense, Paul is diminishing the importance of baptism, certainly separating it from the preached gospel, and showing...

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[Diamond72]

Because you claim to be a DISPENSAIONALIST and wanted to see if you know what it means , just asking ??

You are correct, I do not know what it means. Or what you think it means.

In dispensationalism, the idea that "a day is like a thousand years" emphasizes the different periods or ages in God's plan, each with its own specific purpose and characteristics. This concept supports the belief that God's timetable is different from ours, allowing for distinct phases in divine history, such as the Age of Law, the Age of Grace, and the future Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

"a day is like a thousand years" emphasizes the different periods or ages in God's plan

I Peter 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Your quotation "a day is like a thousand years" contextually deals with God's patience, NOT different periods or ages in God's plan of salvation.

 

[Dan Perez]

We are all limited. God watches over every word we say. I have to be very careful what I say.

AND here is what Rom 1:1 really means .

Paul a slave of Christ Jesus , a called Apostle , having been SEPERATED //APHORIZO , which means Boundaries are set ,

and LIMITED to ONLY preach God's Gospel .

And in 1 Cor 11:1 we are to be IMITATORS of me , just as I also am of Christ .

And Eph 3:9 says , to MAKE all ( as to ) what is the MYSTERY // MUSTERION the one having been KEPT SECRET from the ages in God , the one having created THE ALL THINGS // TA PANTA , by Jesus Christ .

dan p