Ellen Harmon

[Gary K]

Ellen Harmon was a Methodist when she received her first vision long before anyone had heard of an SDA.

 

[Leaf473]

Ellen Harmon was a Methodist when she received her first vision long before anyone had heard of an SDA.

When someone says they have had a vision from God (I've met several)
How shall we decide if it actually is from God?

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 13:1 - New Living Translation

A Warning against Idolatry - “Suppose there are prophets among you or those who dream dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Bob S]

In the case of Ellen, all we have to do is read her writings.

 

[HIM]

To the word and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this, there is no light in them.
The problem is people excuse are accuse, thinking that the light is always on in an individual and everything they say, write or do is through inspiration of God. It can be for God has said, he will give us his spirit, his word, his law in our hearts and mouths. For it is He that works in us both ro will, and do His good pleasure.

Ellen wrote a lot. Books, pamphlets and personal letters. Was all she wrote from God?

No but a lot was.

The pen of inspiration had moved many through the years.
Luther was inspired and through that we had the reformation.

The list goes on and will continue. Because God’s people keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony,and faith of Jesus Christ. Which is the spirit of prophecy..

 

[Bob S]

To the word and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this, there is no light in them.
The problem is people excuse are accuse, thinking that the light is always on in an individual and everything they say, write or do is through inspiration of God. It can be for God has said, he will give us his spirit, his word, his law in our hearts and mouths. For it is He that works in us both ro will, and do His good pleasure.

Ellen wrote a lot. Books, pamphlets and personal letters. Was all she wrote from God?

No but a lot was.

Are you able to depict what came from God and what was merely her misunderstanding? Are you able to tell in her writings what was plagiarized by Ellen? The hierarchy of Adventism admits she plagiarized. The following are her words concerning how she obtained what she wrote which is anything but the truth.

(Ellen White)
Testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision -- the precious rays of light shining from the throne," is correct. It is true concerning the articles in our papers and in the many volumes of my books. I have been instructed in accordance with the Word in the precepts of the law of God. I have been instructed in selecting from the lessons of Christ. Are not the positions taken in my writings in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ? If not, point it out to me. {RH, September 6, 1906 par. 1}

Yet now when I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God. You know how the Lord has manifested Himself through the spirit of prophecy. Past, present, and future have passed before me. I have been shown faces that I had never seen, and years afterward I knew them when I saw them. I have been aroused from my sleep with a vivid sense of subjects previously presented to my mind; and I have written, at midnight, letters that have gone across the continent and, arriving at a crisis, have saved great disaster to the cause of God. This has been my work for many years. A power has impelled me to reprove and rebuke wrongs that I had not thought of. Is this work of the last thirty-six years from above or from beneath? {5T 64.3}

The pen of inspiration had moved many through the years.

Pen of inspiration my foot. Muhammad started a movement too.

Luther was inspired and through that we had the reformation.

He didn't consider himself a prophet.

The list goes on and will continue. Because God’s people keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony,and faith of Jesus Christ. Which is the spirit of prophecy..

God's people do not observe the ceremonial commands of the old covenant which WERE commands from God. Ellen was the epidemy of a false prophet. Have you ever read the nine volumes of the Testimonies? What a bunch of junk, much of was pure gossip. She and James went around the country hawking this junk.

 

[HIM]

Are you able to depict what came from God and what was merely her misunderstanding? Are you able to tell in her writings what was plagiarized by Ellen? The hierarchy of Adventism admits she plagiarized. The following are her words concerning how she obtained what she wrote which is anything but the truth.

(Ellen White)
Testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision -- the precious rays of light shining from the throne," is correct. It is true concerning the articles in our papers and in the many volumes of my books. I have been instructed in accordance with the Word in the precepts of the law of God. I have been instructed in selecting from the lessons of Christ. Are not the positions taken in my writings in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ? If not, point it out to me. {RH, September 6, 1906 par. 1}

Yet now when I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God. You know how the Lord has manifested Himself through the spirit of prophecy. Past, present, and future have passed before me. I have been shown faces that I had never seen, and years afterward I knew them when I saw them. I have been aroused from my sleep with a vivid sense of subjects previously presented to my mind; and I have written, at midnight, letters that have gone across the continent and, arriving at a crisis, have saved great disaster to the cause of God. This has been my work for many years. A power has impelled me to reprove and rebuke wrongs that I had not thought of. Is this work of the last thirty-six years from above or from beneath? {5T 64.3}


Pen of inspiration my foot. Muhammad started a movement too.

He didn't consider himself a prophet.

God's people do not observe the ceremonial commands of the old covenant which WERE commands from God. Ellen was the epidemy of a false prophet. Have you ever read the nine volumes of the Testimonies? What a bunch of junk, much of was pure gossip. She and James went around the country hawking this junk.

Your bitterness hinders.
God's people keep the commandments of God and HAVE the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of prophecy. For it is God that works in them both to will AND do His good pleasure.

 

[Bob S]

Your bitterness hinders.

To tell you the truth I am not bitter. I got over being duped years ago. The Holy Spirit set me free from bondage to falsehood. I am free in Christ.

God's people keep the commandments of God and HAVE the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of prophecy. For it is God that works in them both to will AND do His good pleasure.

God's people do not observe the ceremonial commands of the old covenant which WERE commands from God. to one nation, Israel.

Ellen was the epidemy of a false prophet. Have you ever read the nine volumes of the Testimonies? What a bunch of junk, much of it is pure gossip. She and James went around the country hawking gossip.

 

[HIM]

To tell you the truth I am not bitter. I got over being duped years ago. The Holy Spirit set me free from bondage to falsehood. I am free in Christ.

God's people do not observe the ceremonial commands of the old covenant which WERE commands from God. to one nation, Israel.

Ellen was the epidemy of a false prophet. Have you ever read the nine volumes of the Testimonies? What a bunch of junk, much of it is pure gossip. She and James went around the country hawking gossip.

God's people keep the commandments of God and HAVE the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of prophecy. For it is God that works in them both to will AND do His good pleasure.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

God's people keep the commandments of God and HAVE the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of prophecy. For it is God that works in them both to will AND do His good pleasure.

Many claim to keep the Laws of the Old Covenant, while discarding almost all of them.

 

[HIM]

Many claim to keep the Laws of the Old Covenant, while discarding almost all of them.

God's people keep the commandments of God and HAVE the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of prophecy. For it is God that works in them both to will AND do His good pleasure. For. God has said, I will put my laws into their hearts, their mind why write them. So say not in your heart, who shall bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But know The word is in our heart in our mouth that we do it. That is the faith of which we preach. The faith that they just live by and establishes the law. For those who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Christ of glory. This is giving us all things that pertain to life and godliness.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

So, which Laws of the Old Covenant do you keep, and which ones do you throw out? Shall I guess?

 

[Leaf473]

So, which Laws of the Old Covenant do you keep, and which ones do you throw out?

In my experience, some form of this question is asked in pretty much every conversation on this topic

The answers given usually involve categories, such as moral laws, ceremonial laws

If details are asked about laws in the categories, the conversation usually ends quickly

May God draw us all closer to himself