Netanyahu: Iran 'will pay' for its attack

[Canuckster]

The latter sounds like where youre at.

I don't care where you think I'm at

 

[rturner76]

I don't know how or who can accomplish this, more likely a large group of government organizations can somehow through trade embargo or a threat of an international peacekeeping mission.

One thing to remember is that Jerusalem is one of the most important cities on Earth. Where people end up pursuing vengeance rather than creating a peaceful environment.

Marvin Gaye said, "We don't need to escalate, woris not the answer for only love can conquer hate." It is an endless fight with no clear agenda from either side is just feuding. When children and civilians get hurt, it's time to rethink your strategy

 

[Palmfever]

An eye for an eye makes the world go blind. This conflict has done nothing positive for anyone. It has not weaken the resolve of any side. It has not proven who is right. It has not proven to protect lives. It has not bring the region closer in friendship. All this is doing is pushing the world towards a slow and painful demise.

Perhaps not, but a nation has not only the right to defend it's citizens, They have a obligation. Iran has clearly stated that a primary objective is wiping Israel off the map. God sees Governments differently than He does individuals.

 

[Canuckster]

Russia is calling on its citizens to leave Israel and evacuating diplomats’ family members from Lebanon. This looks serious as there's about 1.5 million Russians in Israel.

Russia Calls on Its Citizens to Leave Israel Amid Escalating Conflict

By Thabo Mosia Russia has issued an advisory urging its citizens to leave Israel as the conflict in the region escalates. The Russian Foreign Ministry emphas

centralnews.co.za

Russia Evacuates Diplomats' Family Members from Lebanon - The Moscow Times

Russia has evacuated 60 diplomats’ family members from Lebanon as Israel escalates its offensive against Hezbollah, the state-run TASS news agency reported Thursday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Canuckster]

There are many reports that Israel has attacked the Russian Khmeimim Air Base in Syria

MSN

 

[Nithavela]

 

[rturner76]

So does it look like a major multi-country war about to happen? I know Israel is an allied of the USA so will our troops be getting killed in Iran and Jordan? Depending on what countries are willing to side with whom, could the seeds of WWIII being planted? When allies start getting involved, opposing allies start supporting each other in my estimation.

 

[Richard T]

Yes, when the enemy is least prepared.

It soon will be the best possible time for China to take Taiwan. Could be that is the plan. Tie up the USA in the Middle East while China takes the prize and Korea flares up too. If the USA bogs down somewhere you will see the world actually does need a policeman but they may very well be overwhelmed to help everyone. We need to assume that every USA hater might make a move the first chance they get. Sudan on S. Sudan. Somalia pirates. Extremist terror groups, etc. Remember the best time to rob a bank is when the police are busy.

 

[trophy33]

The hate for Israel runs deep starting from the time of Abraham and magnified by Mohamad's teachings.

Actually, Jews and Muslims lived in peace for a long time. This modern hatred of the state of Israel towards its neighbors and vice versa is relatively new and goes back about 100 years. Its a chain of ethnic and national injustices, since the British imperium mismanaged the region.

 

[stevevw]

I don't think its tit for tat or pay back by Isreal. It is for Iran though. If it was for Isreal then they owe Iran 100's of attacks as they have been continupusly launching attacks on Isreal through their proxies.

But I think Isreal has been quite patient with all the attacks on them. Imagine that at least 3 or 4 nations around you want to exterminate you for years.

The west has experienced the horrors of radical Islam but Covid slowed much of that down. They turned on Isreal more. They will turn back on the west one day you can be sure of that. There is no reasoning with them.

The west should have dealt with this years ago and now radicalism has grown and now causing a threat to the free world. All free nations as well as At=rab nations who supported the Abraham Accords and Isreal should band together and isolate Iran and give them an ultimatum to stop the terror or else.

The west itself should be stopping radical ideologues in our own nations who support these radicals. We are allowing our own citizens to undermine freedom and spread this radical ideology. Enough is enough. You are either for freedom or you are not.

 

[Dan1988]

I don't think its tit for tat or pay back by Isreal. It is for Iran though. If it was for Isreal then they owe Iran 100's of attacks as they have been continupusly launching attacks on Isreal through their proxies.

But I think Isreal has been quite patient with all the attacks on them. Imagine that at least 3 or 4 nations around you want to exterminate you for years.

The west has experienced the horrors of radical Islam but Covid slowed much of that down. They turned on Isreal more. They will turn back on the west one day you can be sure of that. There is no reasoning with them.

The west should have dealt with this years ago and now radicalism has grown and now causing a threat to the free world. All free nations as well as At=rab nations who supported the Abraham Accords and Isreal should band together and isolate Iran and give them an ultimatum to stop the terror or else.

The west itself should be stopping radical ideologues in our own nations who support these radicals. We are allowing our own citizens to undermine freedom and spread this radical ideology. Enough is enough. You are either for freedom or you are not.

Some would accuse you of being "Islamophobic". We are told that Islam is a religion of peace, but the reality is that it's a blood soaked religion, which has never been at peace with non Muslims.

As you pointed out, Israel is surrounded by nations who are hell bent on it's total annihilation. It's easy to criticize Israel from the safety of our arm chairs, but our view would quickly change if we had to live with the constant threat from Islamic Terrorists.

I saw this eye opening, sobering documentary abut Islam. I'm surprised it has been taken down.

 

[stevevw]

Some would accuse you of being "Islamophobic". We are told that Islam is a religion of peace, but the reality is that it's a blood soaked religion, which has never been at peace with non Muslims.

Actually if you notice I qualify those who commit terror as either Islamist like fundementalist Christians or extremist and radical or radical Islam. I think most Muslims are peaceful. Afterall Islam comes from the same God as the Jews and Christians. But it has been twisted in parts and most Muslims are either ignorant of this or don't believe it.

Muslims and Christians use to get along well in Isreal and Palestine and have a good history together. Unfortunately groups that believe in the radicalised parts of Islam have grown.

As you pointed out, Israel is surrounded by nations who are hell bent on it's total annihilation. It's easy to criticize Israel from the safety of our arm chairs, but our view would quickly change if we had to live with the constant threat from Islamic Terrorists.

I saw this eye opening, sobering documentary abut Islam. I'm surprised it has been taken down.

Putting ourselves in their shoes really brings home the reality of what Isrealis are going through. I think they have been extrodinarily patient with the extremists.

I have seen a few doco's about Islam. Its actually a good history lesson as well as it takes you back to early days of post Christianity and how it spread and relates to the Jews and Muslims. Its no coincident that Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are important places for all 3 religions.

But it seems Islam came in over the top of the Jews and Christians. It tried to take over so to speak even from the beginning when Malik built the Dome right on the mount with pre Quran text denouncing Christ as the Son of God. Like a one upsmanship over the Jews and Christians.

But much of this was motivated by Mohummed in Medina against the Jews. Mohummed was always supportive of the Jews and the Torah. In fact he refered to the Torah as the Book which came before Islam to lead the way and the Jews as people of the Book.

But as the Jews in Mecca did not embrace his new religion he turned against them. You can track this change which lines up with that period and from then the Quran (Mohummed) becomes more hostile to the Jews and Christians by extention.

An interesting note that may help understand the origins of Islam is that Nestorius (d. c. AD 450), who was an early Christian theologian believed that Christ was two persons fully human and fully divine as opposed the the mainstream doctrine of hypostatic union which was the union of these two natures.

Nestorius was thus expelled but his teachings lived on especially with the School of Edessa and later the Church of the East which was in the western Persian Empire. Which was also where many Arabs lived pre Islam.

Here we have a doctrine rejected by the Christian church which disputes Christs status as God on earth to a human who is divine and we begin to see how early Islam was influenced to dispute Christ as the Son of God and as God made flesh.

So now we have a deeply entrenched belief against Christ which is heresay according the very church that grew out of Christ and a spiteful revenge against the Jews for not accepting Mohummed's teachings. Not a good way to start off your religion.

Its a very interesting topic to research. But then I like all Biblical history and history in general for that period.

 

[Dan1988]

Actually if you notice I qualify those who commit terror as either Islamist like fundementalist Christians or extremist and radical or radical Islam. I think most Muslims are peaceful. Afterall Islam comes from the same God as the Jews and Christians. But it has been twisted in parts and most Muslims are either ignorant of this or don't believe it.

Muslims and Christians use to get along well in Isreal and Palestine and have a good history together. Unfortunately groups that believe in the radicalised parts of Islam have grown.

Putting ourselves in their shoes really brings home the reality of what Isrealis are going through. I think they have been extrodinarily patient with the extremists.

I have seen a few doco's about Islam. Its actually a good history lesson as well as it takes you back to early days of post Christianity and how it spread and relates to the Jews and Muslims. Its no coincident that Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are important places for all 3 religions.

But it seems Islam came in over the top of the Jews and Christians. It tried to take over so to speak even from the beginning when Malik built the Dome right on the mount with pre Quran text denouncing Christ as the Son of God. Like a one upsmanship over the Jews and Christians.

But much of this was motivated by Mohummed in Medina against the Jews. Mohummed was always supportive of the Jews and the Torah. In fact he refered to the Torah as the Book which came before Islam to lead the way and the Jews as people of the Book.

But as the Jews in Mecca did not embrace his new religion he turned against them. You can track this change which lines up with that period and from then the Quran (Mohummed) becomes more hostile to the Jews and Christians by extention.

An interesting note that may help understand the origins of Islam is that Nestorius (d. c. AD 450), who was an early Christian theologian believed that Christ was two persons fully human and fully divine as opposed the the mainstream doctrine of hypostatic union which was the union of these two natures.

Nestorius was thus expelled but his teachings lived on especially with the School of Edessa and later the Church of the East which was in the western Persian Empire. Which was also where many Arabs lived pre Islam.

Here we have a doctrine rejected by the Christian church which disputes Christs status as God on earth to a human who is divine and we begin to see how early Islam was influenced to dispute Christ as the Son of God and as God made flesh.

So now we have a deeply entrenched belief against Christ which is heresay according the very church that grew out of Christ and a spiteful revenge against the Jews for not accepting Mohummed's teachings. Not a good way to start off your religion.

Its a very interesting topic to research. But then I like all Biblical history and history in general for that period.

There's a lot of interesting history packed in your short summary. But I don't agree with the point you made, regarding "Islam comes from the same God as the Jews and Christians.
The reason I don't agree with this view is that Islam considers the Christian God to be false. They don't believe that Allah has a Son. The Christians believe that Jesus is God, and the Muslims consider this to be blasphemous and the fundamentalist radical Muslims believe they have a right to behead those who don't renounce this blasphemous belief.

They obviously believe in a different God to the Christian God. While Jews and Christians believe in the same God, Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He is One with the Father making Him God.

I don't think these three religions can reconcile their differences, concerning who the Lord Jesus Christ is. So they will remain divided, while all three hold to different beliefs regarding the identity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

As you say, there are extremists in all three religions. My Church Minister teaches, that we must be radical disciples of Christ. He preaches, that we must have no fellowship at all with Muslims and Jews and all other non Christians. This doesn't mean we're forbidden to share the gospel with them, by "fellowship" he meant we mustn't agree with what their religions teach. He is very much against "Ecumenicalism" and "Interfaith" relationships.

I'm sure the majority of Jews and Muslims are taught the same thing by their leaders, because nobody wants to give any ground to the others. Most religions teach that their religion is the only true one and the rest are all false, this is to be expected.

 

[stevevw]

There's a lot of interesting history packed in your short summary. But I don't agree with the point you made, regarding "Islam comes from the same God as the Jews and Christians.

Well as far as the old testament prophets like Abraham. Issac and Jacob to name a few they believe in the same God who sent them. You have to remember that Hebrew was the first religion to have one God. So this fortmed the basis for all other Monotheistic religions. This belief spread to Arab nations before Christianity and it seems the Muslims took that literally in having such a strong belief in only one God Allah.

So at least Islam just like being influenced by Nestorianism was built on the Jewish God. It seems later that they began to change things like claiming Ishmael was the Muslim version of Issac and therefore Mohummed is the Prophet of God for the Muslims like Jesus for the Christians. Except as Mohummed came last he is the final word for God.

At the very least Islam is very similar to Hebrew and some elements of Christianity in Mohummed. Thats why Islam relegates Christ to a prophet of God like all the other prophets and not God Himself.

Its almost as though Islam jumped in and hijacked the true God of Isreal and the Christians as they are not claiming a new religion but the ultimate fullfillment of the same God.

The reason I don't agree with this view is that Islam considers the Christian God to be false. They don't believe that Allah has a Son. The Christians believe that Jesus is God, and the Muslims consider this to be blasphemous and the fundamentalist radical Muslims believe they have a right to behead those who don't renounce this blasphemous belief.
They obviously believe in a different God to the Christian God. While Jews and Christians believe in the same God, Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He is One with the Father making Him God.

Yes but thats the Christian extention of the same Jewish God. The Jews also don't believe Christ is the promised Messiah. But in a strange way the Muslims do believe in God as more than just a prophet as they still have Him taking the final judgement and is above all prophets. They at least recognise some higher status. Where as the Jews think the Christ of the Gospels was a sourcer of some sort.

The Muslim belief about Christ seems to have come from the Christian church itself with heresay questioning Christ as God on earth but rather a very devine and Godly man. This seems the same ideology as Islam later took on as part of their belief with the spreading of the Church of the East.

It also seems that it wasn't until the Muslims took Jerusalm that they really began to single out and dispute Christ. This is when the Muslim leaders were truely confronted with Christ the place where He was actually born, crucified and rose again from the dead. Christ presense was strong everywhere and as the Muslims believed in the Old Testament monotheistic God where God declares He is the only one to worship these factors caused them to reject Christ despite the strong evidence he was real.

So Malik around the late 7th century who was known to hate Christ went about destroying and undermining Christ. He built the Dome to look down on the place where Christ rose from the dead.

The only texts in the original Dome are about Christ not being the Son of God, that God does not have a Son and there is only one God. So that tells us there was a fixation of destroying any evidence and narrative about Christ.

The three religions, Hebrew, Islam and Christianity have a strange history with each other. Its like they all believe something of each other yet strongly disagree on really fundemental aspect that make a lot of difference in the end.

Christianity seems to make the most sense when you think that the Hebrew bible tells of a Messiah and has many prophecies which have been fullfilled by Christ so its not too different to Hebrew and the gospel which Muslims say is true teach love and sacrifice for each other and not the crazy inhumane stuff Islamists are inflicting. I mean isn't God suppose to be loving as well.

I don't think these three religions can reconcile their differences, concerning who the Lord Jesus Christ is. So they will remain divided, while all three hold to different beliefs regarding the identity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I find this strange that the real focal point of these 3 beliefs is Christ. Why not something else or some other issue. Its almost as though Christ's presense in our history is so powerful that disbelievers are forced to make it a point to denounce Christ. If he was just an ordinary figure then why the desperation.

As you say, there are extremists in all three religions. My Church Minister teaches, that we must be radical disciples of Christ. He preaches, that we must have no fellowship at all with Muslims and Jews and all other non Christians. This doesn't mean we're forbidden to share the gospel with them, by "fellowship" he meant we mustn't agree with what their religions teach. He is very much against "Ecumenicalism" and "Interfaith" relationships.

Yeah I dislike the identity politics where everyone is divided into groups even different Christian groups as though they are tribes to belong to that have different worth. I think thats a product of modern politics. Though as we are seeing the political is becoming the personal and people have more invested. Even to the point its a matter of freedom or enslavement, life and death.

Possible because we have rejected the once united belief in God and now at least in the public square is seems to becoming almost a religion in itself as to what doctrine you can express is taking over. So in some ways it is a spiritual battle fundementally.

One red flag is how antisemetism has resurfaced. Thats very worrying and a sign of something very fundementally wrong going on which may bring a lot of trouble.

I'm sure the majority of Jews and Muslims are taught the same thing by their leaders, because nobody wants to give any ground to the others. Most religions teach that their religion is the only true one and the rest are all false, this is to be expected.

I look at it more pragmatically and perhaps simply as to what is reality. Religion of any sort is suppose to be loving, kind, gentle, patient. All the things related to Christs teachings but which are also reflected in all teachings of most religions. Not just religions but in philosophy, psychology and related fields.

So straight away no matter what the Islamists say about their God we can identify its not from God. Not from any God. Its from humans nature to be evil. Its the opposite of Christ and good. Simple as that.

Thats why Christ makes so much sense. The Jews need a Messiah and here one comes in Christ a real man who fullfilled many of their prophesies. A teacher of truth who gave His life for our sins. Not someone who rather wants to take your life so some human made sin that is unforgivable.

 

[trophy33]

Justice is depicted as being blind or blindfolded for a reason.

If we mix Bible, theological/eschatological opinions, who is of which religion, ethnicity, who has more money, influence on the Western politics or medial marketing or who is our traditional "friend" or ally, we tend to distort facts and to be biased.

Thats why international courts and international bodies should do their work and criticize both Israel and other countries for specific injustices and breaking the law. And to adopt necessary measures, if needed. We should not side with anybody. Emotions and personal preferences/sympathy belong to sport matches, not to killings and wars. A dead Palestinian, Iranian or Lebanese child is not worth less than a Jewish one or than an American one.

 

[Robban]

Their slogan from the river to sea, speaks for itself. For those who do not know what this means. It's a eradication of Israel from the river to the sea; the entire nation of Israel they want not only gone, but eradicated.

History tells or sheds light on the matter.

Scores of thousands of the conquered people were led into captivity, in their place came other settlers from Assyria.

The people of Israel who for the most part were transported to the Assyrian empire,

disappeared completely without leaving any indication of their fate, no trace has been found of the ten tribes.

Tradition has it that when G-d gathers the Jewish exiles from the corners of the earth, the "Lost tribes of Israel"

will also return to their homeland under the leadership of the Messiah,

a descendent of the house of David, Israel will then once again be a united people,

One nation, one land, one faith, one G-d.

This too taken from the work, "Our people" by Jacob Isaacs.

For me this is God´s will, others may think different but consider, will the long awaited Messiah come armed with rockets and bombs?

Hardly.

 

[ladodgers6]

History tells or sheds light on the matter.

Scores of thousands of the conquered people were led into captivity, in their place came other settlers from Assyria.

The people of Israel who for the most part were transported to the Assyrian empire,

disappeared completely without leaving any indication of their fate, no trace has been found of the ten tribes.

Tradition has it that when G-d gathers the Jewish exiles from the corners of the earth, the "Lost tribes of Israel"

will also return to their homeland under the leadership of the Messiah,

a descendent of the house of David, Israel will then once again be a united people,

One nation, one land, one faith, one G-d.

This too taken from the work, "Our people" by Jacob Isaacs.

For me this is God´s will, others may think different but consider, will the long awaited Messiah come armed with rockets and bombs?

Hardly.

Israel, or true Israel is Christ, who is gathering His people from the four corners from every tribe, tongue and nation, for there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile anymore.

One God, One people, and One Kingdom.

 

[Dan1988]

Well as far as the old testament prophets like Abraham. Issac and Jacob to name a few they believe in the same God who sent them. You have to remember that Hebrew was the first religion to have one God. So this fortmed the basis for all other Monotheistic religions. This belief spread to Arab nations before Christianity and it seems the Muslims took that literally in having such a strong belief in only one God Allah.

So at least Islam just like being influenced by Nestorianism was built on the Jewish God. It seems later that they began to change things like claiming Ishmael was the Muslim version of Issac and therefore Mohummed is the Prophet of God for the Muslims like Jesus for the Christians. Except as Mohummed came last he is the final word for God.

At the very least Islam is very similar to Hebrew and some elements of Christianity in Mohummed. Thats why Islam relegates Christ to a prophet of God like all the other prophets and not God Himself.

Its almost as though Islam jumped in and hijacked the true God of Isreal and the Christians as they are not claiming a new religion but the ultimate fullfillment of the same God.

Yes but thats the Christian extention of the same Jewish God. The Jews also don't believe Christ is the promised Messiah. But in a strange way the Muslims do believe in God as more than just a prophet as they still have Him taking the final judgement and is above all prophets. They at least recognise some higher status. Where as the Jews think the Christ of the Gospels was a sourcer of some sort.

The Muslim belief about Christ seems to have come from the Christian church itself with heresay questioning Christ as God on earth but rather a very devine and Godly man. This seems the same ideology as Islam later took on as part of their belief with the spreading of the Church of the East.

It also seems that it wasn't until the Muslims took Jerusalm that they really began to single out and dispute Christ. This is when the Muslim leaders were truely confronted with Christ the place where He was actually born, crucified and rose again from the dead. Christ presense was strong everywhere and as the Muslims believed in the Old Testament monotheistic God where God declares He is the only one to worship these factors caused them to reject Christ despite the strong evidence he was real.

So Malik around the late 7th century who was known to hate Christ went about destroying and undermining Christ. He built the Dome to look down on the place where Christ rose from the dead.

The only texts in the original Dome are about Christ not being the Son of God, that God does not have a Son and there is only one God. So that tells us there was a fixation of destroying any evidence and narrative about Christ.

The three religions, Hebrew, Islam and Christianity have a strange history with each other. Its like they all believe something of each other yet strongly disagree on really fundemental aspect that make a lot of difference in the end.

Christianity seems to make the most sense when you think that the Hebrew bible tells of a Messiah and has many prophecies which have been fullfilled by Christ so its not too different to Hebrew and the gospel which Muslims say is true teach love and sacrifice for each other and not the crazy inhumane stuff Islamists are inflicting. I mean isn't God suppose to be loving as well.

I find this strange that the real focal point of these 3 beliefs is Christ. Why not something else or some other issue. Its almost as though Christ's presense in our history is so powerful that disbelievers are forced to make it a point to denounce Christ. If he was just an ordinary figure then why the desperation.

Yeah I dislike the identity politics where everyone is divided into groups even different Christian groups as though they are tribes to belong to that have different worth. I think thats a product of modern politics. Though as we are seeing the political is becoming the personal and people have more invested. Even to the point its a matter of freedom or enslavement, life and death.

Possible because we have rejected the once united belief in God and now at least in the public square is seems to becoming almost a religion in itself as to what doctrine you can express is taking over. So in some ways it is a spiritual battle fundementally.

One red flag is how antisemetism has resurfaced. Thats very worrying and a sign of something very fundementally wrong going on which may bring a lot of trouble.

I look at it more pragmatically and perhaps simply as to what is reality. Religion of any sort is suppose to be loving, kind, gentle, patient. All the things related to Christs teachings but which are also reflected in all teachings of most religions. Not just religions but in philosophy, psychology and related fields.

So straight away no matter what the Islamists say about their God we can identify its not from God. Not from any God. Its from humans nature to be evil. Its the opposite of Christ and good. Simple as that.

Thats why Christ makes so much sense. The Jews need a Messiah and here one comes in Christ a real man who fullfilled many of their prophesies. A teacher of truth who gave His life for our sins. Not someone who rather wants to take your life so some human made sin that is unforgivable.

You're right about ancient Israel being the first people who believed in One God. All the surrounding Gentile Pagan nations and tribes, worshiped multiple gods/idols.

The Pagan idols were usually carved images, made of precious metal or stone and wood. These Pagan gods are still worshipped to this day by the vast majority of Hindus, Buddhist, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox to some extent.

The second of the ten commandments in the bible prohibits believers from worshiping or making graven images of other gods. The One true God, doesn't tolerate the worship of other gods, so the God of the bible acknowledges that fact that there are countless other gods, which Pagans worship. So, we can't just dismiss these Pagan gods as non existent, because God Himself confirms their existence in the second commandment.

The bible describes Jesus as the Rock of offence and a stumbling stone, because He didn't come into the world to bring peace. But He came to pit son against father and daughter against mother, in other words He came to divide the world into two groups, which He described as Sheep and Goats.
The world is divided into two groups, we have those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and those who don't. This division is expressed by groups such as radical Islam and the LGBT community, united in their opposition to Christianity.

The Pope of Rome recently attended a interfaith ceremony where, leaders from all the major religions gathered to celebrate diversity. The Pope addressed the gathering and said, that all religions lead to the same God. He expressed opposition to the Christian evangelists, who claim that Christ is the only way to God. He said every religion is equal, before God, and all people are of the same value to God.

The Popes message was well received by the crowd who applauded him for his courage to break with tradition and speak his mind. While the Popes message may have been well intentioned, it didn't reflect the traditional teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. This Pope claims that Christianity is evolving and must remain relevant in our modern times, so he is willing to make whatever changes are necessary to remain relevant.

Fundamental Christianity opposes the Popes views, we hold to the original gospel message which makes no provision to change any of it's core doctrines or values. So we can never have any fellowship or agreement with people from other religions.

Jesus made it crystal clear that He demands nothing less than 100% dedication to Him, He said He will not share His glory with any other god or person. He said we must forsake everything that hinders us from following Him, including parents, siblings, friends and relatives and even our own life. So He demands everything we have, if we are to follow Him.

I didn't hear anything like that from the Pope, his message opposed the authority of Christ over all things. He basically put Jesus, in the same category as Mohammad, Buddha and all the other so called prophets and divine entities. Fundamental Christians are vehemently opposed to the Pope and all the other religions who hold to his views, including Christian denominations.

There will never be a time when Bible based Christians will ever accept any other religion, as being valid in any way. We will never accept anything other religions teach, for the sake of peace and getting along. Christians would rather be martyred, than commit "spiritual fornication".

 

[Robban]

Israel, or true Israel is Christ, who is gathering His people from the four corners from every tribe, tongue and nation, for there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile anymore.

One God, One people, and One Kingdom.

Matthew 10:5-6.

The entire people of Israel comprise of a singel soul, only the bodies seperate.

A bicycle wheel, spokes at the outer rim are seperated, but as one in the center.

However, the door is open for one who wishes to enter.

It is said that Houdini a master at picking locks, the only lock he failed to pick, he had to give up,

the lock was not locked.

A verse with healing under it´s wings:

Ezekiel 18:32

 

[stevevw]

You're right about ancient Israel being the first people who believed in One God. All the surrounding Gentile Pagan nations and tribes, worshiped multiple gods/idols.

The Pagan idols were usually carved images, made of precious metal or stone and wood. These Pagan gods are still worshipped to this day by the vast majority of Hindus, Buddhist, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox to some extent.

Yes but also by modern secular western societies as well. Theres some elements of Viking beliefs coming in but also New Age Mysticism such as crystals, Moon and Sun worship and making the earths elements like spirits of gods. Even Hollywood and celebs become godlike and worshipped and if you look at their events you see all the trappings of idol worship.

The second of the ten commandments in the bible prohibits believers from worshiping or making graven images of other gods. The One true God, doesn't tolerate the worship of other gods, so the God of the bible acknowledges that fact that there are countless other gods, which Pagans worship. So, we can't just dismiss these Pagan gods as non existent, because God Himself confirms their existence in the second commandment.

Christ also acknowledges their existence as false prophets. He knew there would be copycats and warned us. Todays gods are very cunning. At least with the old pagan gods you could call them out today. Its just a calved rock. Its an unconscious lump of inanimate material and can do nothing. Look we can even see the atoms and they are not gods lol.

But just like when Abraham was called by the one true God there can only be one God if God is the creator and moral law and truth giver. Without truth and authority the pagan gods begin to compete and undermine each other until there is chaos.

Just like today we know there can only be one truth. Many truths is a logical fallacy. The greatest lie the false gods have manage is to convince people there is no truth in a Post Modernist and relativistic world.

Because no one is sure and everything is acceptable. Hamas and Hezbullah can be rationalised as the victim and doing good and the truth is rationalised as being bad.

How do we measure the truth. Christ told us He is the truth. So we can expose the radical Islamists as evil because their actions don't align with Christs truth. With His 2nd greatest commandment. Which also happens to align with most of our Rights, laws and Declarations.

The bible describes Jesus as the Rock of offence and a stumbling stone, because He didn't come into the world to bring peace. But He came to pit son against father and daughter against mother, in other words He came to divide the world into two groups, which He described as Sheep and Goats.

This is a good point and I didn't think of it in this context. When you take a step back and consider all the religions and ideologies which are so varied that you could get lost in which one to believe in or not. It seems when it comes down to it everything leads to Christ.

As Christ is the truth and the world is for many truths then there will come a showdown between truths until one is left standing. That is the nature of truth as there can only be one truth. So as you stand on that truth and the more the world becomes untruths the more you are in conflict.

The world is divided into two groups, we have those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and those who don't. This division is expressed by groups such as radical Islam and the LGBT community, united in their opposition to Christianity.

Yes as mentioned today there are 100s of ways to pervert Gods truth. The thing with Islam is that it has used an obvious truth to Christians and Jews of the Old Testament GOd and they have percerted it fundementally. Its so obvious.

But it seems in a strange and contradictory way this has aligned with western progressive ideology. So you get Queers for Palestine or students who should know better if they are taught critical thinking, a principle of free thinking are for the extermination of the Jews.

Its this weird amalgamation seem to have one thing in common. They hate the Jews and Christians. I don't think thats a coincident. Which tells me fundementally its a spiritual war. Its coming down to a spiritual battle and its going to increase.

The Pope of Rome recently attended a interfaith ceremony where, leaders from all the major religions gathered to celebrate diversity. The Pope addressed the gathering and said, that all religions lead to the same God. He expressed opposition to the Christian evangelists, who claim that Christ is the only way to God. He said every religion is equal, before God, and all people are of the same value to God.

Yeah I have heard this said a lot. Oprah did it, the View women do it, celebs do it while all claiming to be Christians. This is the new truth being pushed. The all encompassing, accepting, equal, diverse, tolerant and lovin melting pot of a new Utopia. Its very powerful as it sort of incorporates a bit of Christianity without the commitment to Christ. He is made into a good man, who teaches good living principles.

Its very cunning. But like you said Christ came to divide and His truth is the only truth and not many truths. But as with truth sooner or later it comes out. If you notice with all these new high priests making these claims that cracks are appearing in their facade. Revelations of dirty deeds and schemes done in secret. Their hypocracy will be exposed. But still they will deny the truth.

The Popes message was well received by the crowd who applauded him for his courage to break with tradition and speak his mind. While the Popes message may have been well intentioned, it didn't reflect the traditional teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. This Pope claims that Christianity is evolving and must remain relevant in our modern times, so he is willing to make whatever changes are necessary to remain relevant.

I read a similar example though not religious or the church but telling of modern society compared to years ago. At the DNC when the Pledge of Allegiance was being recited most went silent when God is mentioned. That is very telling of the Left today. I did not think it was that ingrained.

But then like if you said that the Woke church and society are pushing that there is no one God or no god at all then they are not going to want to acknowledge the one God their own very nation was based on. Quiet a detachment from the founding principles of the US.

Fundamental Christianity opposes the Popes views, we hold to the original gospel message which makes no provision to change any of it's core doctrines or values. So we can never have any fellowship or agreement with people from other religions.

This is part of Post Modernist thinking. There is no objective reality of truth and everything is self referential and created though words. Say it enough, muddy the waters and it becomes true.

Peterson does a good talk on the bible as the pre requisit of truth. That is without God there is no truth and that all truth in literature traces back to the bible.

Jesus made it crystal clear that He demands nothing less than 100% dedication to Him, He said He will not share His glory with any other god or person. He said we must forsake everything that hinders us from following Him, including parents, siblings, friends and relatives and even our own life. So He demands everything we have, if we are to follow Him.

Yes its almost as if you are not in conflict with these common relative ideologies that something is wrong with your faith. You havn't committed enough. The world is a powerful force and we naturally are tempted to go along as it involves our natural desires. But that is exactly what being Christlike is, conflicting and putting to death our natural desires. That should then put us in conflict with the world.

I didn't hear anything like that from the Pope, his message opposed the authority of Christ over all things. He basically put Jesus, in the same category as Mohammad, Buddha and all the other so called prophets and divine entities. Fundamental Christians are vehemently opposed to the Pope and all the other religions who hold to his views, including Christian denominations.

Yes and this matches the Isalmists ideology that Christ is just a prophet. They are almost helping them spread the ideology. Like I said these ideologies blend into one and even conflict within themselves as they are contradictory to the truth.

But Christ is not just made another prophet in among many truths. There is a conceryed effort to denounce Him. We see this with how even Islam is regarded with more empathy and worth than Christianity.

If you demean a Christian its OK. But if you do the same to a Muslim its Islamaphobia. If a Christian says God created man and women they are a transphobe. But the Woke can attack and destroy a Christian who simple expressed their belief. So ultimately its coming down to a spiritual battle between Christs truth and the worlds.

There will never be a time when Bible based Christians will ever accept any other religion, as being valid in any way. We will never accept anything other religions teach, for the sake of peace and getting along. Christians would rather be martyred, than commit "spiritual fornication".

If you look back we see society was more Christian. As time has gone by God is being rejected. Things have become more relative. Christians always objected as society has become more secular. First it was the desolution of marriage. Well even before that things were becoming more progressive.

But as time has gone by we have seen the gradual devaluing of God and His moral laws. Which have been replaced with many different meanings and values. But primarily they oppose the one true God in Christ.

So it stands to reason that the more the world becomes Godless the more this will conflict with Christians. If the current trend keeps going we should see increased persecutions of Christians but also the rising of great Christians and works that will both amaze and antagonise the world.

Relating this back Iran I think this is a time where the world is called to take a side pragmatically. It comes down to what you stand for, what sort of world do we want. A more chaotic and terrifying one or one that supports the truth that we need to at least stop an obvious evil being committed.

One we should have dealt with years ago by standing together on Gods truth but have now made worse. BUt I am not sure whether its too late. The damage has been done, the truth undermined to the point of causing many to be blind to it.