Trump & Religious Principles

[Tropical Wilds]

Can anyone reconcile the figure of Donald Trump, the ever-patriotic guy with good command of economic principles, & negotiating skills with the fact that his bullying behavior from the businessworld to staff to the constant denigrating of persons or groups of people in the worst possible language stands out so much. As a populist he just throws away support from so many groups by just signaling that everyone in the world is inferior to him. All this seems inconsistent with the 10 Commandments & other concepts of just common decency. It's like he's one of the Pharisees who were pretending to be holy but really were more about bullying the common folk.

Can anybody reconcile it? Well, you see people on here doing the mental gymnastics required to reconcile such a moral or political or religious compromise… So, yes.

Can I? Oh no, absolutely not. Even if I could reconcile everything else, I can not (and will not) as a patriotic, America-loving, person with a family military history that goes back generations, ever be able to reconcile his treatment of soldiers, police, and first responders or the actions of January 16th.

Those are total deal breakers for me. It is ethically and morally impossible for me to support him in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Postvieww]

Can anybody reconcile it? Well, you see people on here doing the mental gymnastics required to reconcile such a moral or political or religious compromise… So, yes.

Can I? Oh no, absolutely not. Even if I could reconcile everything else, I can not (and will not) as a patriotic, America-loving, person with a family military history that goes back generations, ever be able to reconcile his treatment of soldiers, police, and first responders or the actions of January 16th.

Those are total deal breakers for me. It is ethically and morally impossible for me to support him in any way, shape, or form.

IMO what needs to be reconciled here is truth from fiction. From the reasons you listed for not supporting Trump exactly zero are a true picture of Trump and are only liberal propaganda promoted by the left and sadly believed by too many on the right . The lies about his disrespect of the military has been debunked over and over by people with him on that trip. His actions actually showing respect for the military speaks far more loudly than the lies. Just one example is the fact Trump over and over has contacted and consoled families of fallen hero’s where the current occupants of the White House have failed in that area. Oh now we get to biggest liberal lie Trumps involvement in Jan 6. First there was no insurrection that was a lie it was a riot. Trump didn’t instigate it he called for peaceful protest. The liberal, illegal, sham of a hearing on the matter started with a preconceived narrative and set out to prove it ignoring any exculpatory evidence. Any true American patriot should actually investigate for themselves what really happy that day and who was involved. The popular liberal narrative is a complete lie. So what saddens me is this unnatural unfounded hatred for Trump by many who are willing to support a near or full communist because Trump has been so successfully demonized by the left. Claiming moral high ground by ignoring the good Trump has done for this country to support one who will work to destroy the fabric of this nation is no morally superior position at all but one of ignorance of facts. For one who cares to look there are many acts of kindness and compassion by Trump but they are swallowed up many times in the sea of hatred from the left.

 

[Postvieww]

Yes you are to believe that.

Thanks for your honesty. So now we can disregard your opinions on what true believers actually believe to be true as irrelevant.

 

[Postvieww]

Can anyone reconcile the figure of Donald Trump, the ever-patriotic guy with good command of economic principles, & negotiating skills with the fact that his bullying behavior from the businessworld to staff to the constant denigrating of persons or groups of people in the worst possible language stands out so much. As a populist he just throws away support from so many groups by just signaling that everyone in the world is inferior to him. All this seems inconsistent with the 10 Commandments & other concepts of just common decency. It's like he's one of the Pharisees who were pretending to be holy but really were more about bullying the common folk.

Since Jesus is not on the ticket this election cycle can anyone reconcile an extreme liberal bordering on complete communism who is totally unqualified for the office? If this hatred of Trump succeeds in this election the free nation we have loved will be finished. Please scrutinize Kamala against the Ten Commandments as you have Trump and see where that leads. Both candidates are flawed humans but only one seeks to save this country as founded and that is Trump.

 

[public hermit]

If this hatred of Trump succeeds in this election the free nation we have loved will be finished

Please, calm down. We can survive Harris for four years just as we can survive another four years of Trump. Of course, that's assuming the conterfactual- if Trump were to step down after four years. Lol

 

[Postvieww]

Please, calm down. We can survive Harris for four years just as we can survive another four years of Trump. Of course, that's assuming the conterfactual- if Trump were to step down after four years. Lol

I am calm but very concerned. We cannot survive four more years of the total incompetence we have experienced in the last four. We need a leader not a second empty suit. Biden doesn’t even know what storm many are currently dealing with and Kamala is lost without her teleprompter. Neither are fit to be president! No we won’t survive four more years! Trump is what the country needs at this time it only liberal propaganda that he is a threat.

 

[public hermit]

I am calm but very concerned. We cannot survive four more years of the total incompetence we have experienced in the last four. We need a leader not a second empty suit. Biden doesn’t even know what storm many are currently dealing with and Kamala is lost without her teleprompter. Neither are fit to be president! No we won’t survive four more years!

You realize that is exactly how many progressives acted when Trump was elected, right? But, I get it. Everybody is scared.

Still, extremists are all the same. You are more like your "enemy" than you seem to realize. You should come in closer from the extreme; it's calmer toward the middle, just like the hub of a wheel. Extremists create self-fulling prophecies: "If everything doesn't go my way, it will all fall apart!" And then they do things to tear it apart when it doesn't go their way.

I don't think we have great choices this year. I do think Trump is super-sketchy, and more likely to "tear it all apart" than Harris, but we certainly could survive either one. We're just going through growing pains. Hopefully, we'll grow out of stupid soon.

 

[FenderTL5]

You realize that is exactly how many progressives acted when Trump was elected, right? But, I get it. Everybody is scared.

Still, extremists are all the same. You are more like your "enemy" than you seem to realize. You should come in closer from the extreme; it's calmer toward the middle, just like the hub of a wheel. Extremists create self-fulling prophecies: "If everything doesn't go my way, it will all fall apart!" And then they do things to tear it apart when it doesn't go their way.

I don't think we have great choices this year. I do think Trump is super-sketchy, and more likely to "tear it all apart" than Harris, but we certainly could survive either one. We're just going through growing pains. Hopefully, we'll grow out of stupid soon.

Agree. trump is the only one who has actually demonstrated a willingness to "tear it all apart." otoh, I am well aware that there are those who are making their choice becasue they want our democratic institutions torn apart.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I don't think we have great choices this year. I do think Trump is super-sketchy, and more likely to "tear it all apart" than Harris, but we certainly could survive either one. We're just going through growing pains. Hopefully, we'll grow out of stupid soon.

Unfortunately, "the stupid" keeps growing unabated.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Trump is what the country needs at this time it only liberal propaganda that he is a threat.

Can you articulate any of Trump's policies for his second term? And can you do that by pointing to direct quotes of what he said?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

I don't think it ever was a majority.

Or moral.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Hasn't it morphed into what is now the Christian right/Christian nationalism?

It's always been that.

If you haven't, I'd highly recommend reading Du Mez's Jesus and John Wayne.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Postvieww]

Can you articulate any of Trump's policies for his second term? And can you do that by pointing to direct quotes of what he said?

-CryptoLutheran

I’ll tell what . You show me a clearly stated policy of Kamala’s with direct quotes and I will match you one for one. The ones she stole from Trump excluded.

 

[Bradskii]

Hopefully, we'll grow out of stupid soon.

I'm really not convinced. I honestly am worried.

 

[public hermit]

I'm really not convinced. I honestly am worried.

One possible benefit of our stark division is there is constant pushback. When it comes to Trump, I'm grateful for that. Even if he wins, which I am not convinced he will (as I was a couple months ago), this is likely a dying gasp. Conservative Christians are quickly sawing off the political branch upon which they sit. I see them becoming politically irrelevant in a decade. So long as we don't descend into an actual civil war, we can get through this.

And, to be perfectly honest, I think most Americans are too soft for much of that. As they say, it's all fun and games until you get punched in the mouth. A bunch of keyboard bangers, living a fairly comfortable life scrolling their phones as they wait for the apocalypse, are not prepared for real suffering and the fortitude needed for that. Maybe we'll see another moron revolution like Jan. 6th, or perhaps outbursts of located violence, but Americans love their comfort too much.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

IMO what needs to be reconciled here is truth from fiction. From the reasons you listed for not supporting Trump exactly zero are a true picture of Trump and are only liberal propaganda promoted by the left and sadly believed by too many on the right . The lies about his disrespect of the military has been debunked over and over by people with him on that trip. His actions actually showing respect for the military speaks far more loudly than the lies. Just one example is the fact Trump over and over has contacted and consoled families of fallen hero’s where the current occupants of the White House have failed in that area. Oh now we get to biggest liberal lie Trumps involvement in Jan 6. First there was no insurrection that was a lie it was a riot. Trump didn’t instigate it he called for peaceful protest. The liberal, illegal, sham of a hearing on the matter started with a preconceived narrative and set out to prove it ignoring any exculpatory evidence. Any true American patriot should actually investigate for themselves what really happy that day and who was involved. The popular liberal narrative is a complete lie. So what saddens me is this unnatural unfounded hatred for Trump by many who are willing to support a near or full communist because Trump has been so successfully demonized by the left. Claiming moral high ground by ignoring the good Trump has done for this country to support one who will work to destroy the fabric of this nation is no morally superior position at all but one of ignorance of facts. For one who cares to look there are many acts of kindness and compassion by Trump but they are swallowed up many times in the sea of hatred from the left.

As I said, some people can do all the mental gymnastics to justify his clear failings as a leader and even as a basic, functional human.

I’m not that people.

 

[Whyayeman]

Thanks for your honesty. So now we can disregard your opinions on what true believers actually believe to be true as irrelevant.

If anyone cares to check, I have declared that I am a non-believer. I am quite used to people disregarding my opinions.

That is pretty well the rule on Christian Forums. I shall persevere . . .

 

[Whyayeman]

One possible benefit of our stark division is there is constant pushback. When it comes to Trump, I'm grateful for that. Even if he wins, which I am not convinced he will (as I was a couple months ago), this is likely a dying gasp. Conservative Christians are quickly sawing off the political branch upon which they sit. I see them becoming politically irrelevant in a decade. So long as we don't descend into an actual civil war, we can get through this.

And, to be perfectly honest, I think most Americans are too soft for much of that. As they say, it's all fun and games until you get punched in the mouth. A bunch of keyboard bangers, living a fairly comfortable life scrolling their phones as they wait for the apocalypse, are not prepared for real suffering and the fortitude needed for that. Maybe we'll see another moron revolution like Jan. 6th, or perhaps outbursts of located violence, but Americans love their comfort too much.

I agree. America is nowhere near civil war. I don't share your confidence that the Republican Party Christian Nationalists are at their last gasp but if Trump is defeated (I am optimistic that he he will be) there is nobody who could take his place as the messianic leader I am told some see him as.

An abandonment of the Fundamentalism and a return to Republican principles is possible in that time. It would take a new generation of Republicans who were not in thrall to Trump . Trump himself would fade into obscurity.

Harris could easily be a two term president if she wins next month.

 

[public hermit]

I agree. America is nowhere near civil war. I don't share your confidence that the Republican Party Christian Nationalists are at their last gasp but if Trump is defeated (I am optimistic that he he will be) there is nobody who could take his place as the messianic leader I am told some see him as.

An abandonment of the Fundamentalism and a return to Republican principles is possible in that time. It would take a new generation of Republicans who were not in thrall to Trump . Trump himself would fade into obscurity.

Harris could easily be a two term president if she wins next month.

The way that Harris has moved some of her positions toward the center is telling, I think. Democrats are getting a head start on what Republicans need to do. And, as the younger generations continue to move away from religion, the Christian Nationalism currently courted by Republicans will fade into the background, I think.

I agree that there needs to be a reacquaintance with Republican principles. Maybe Trump is helpful in bringing that about, despite himself.

 

[Postvieww]

The way that Harris has moved some of her positions toward the center is telling, I think. Democrats are getting a head start on what Republicans need to do. And, as the younger generations continue to move away from religion, the Christian Nationalism currently courted by Republicans will fade into the background, I think.

I agree that there needs to be a reacquaintance with Republican principles. Maybe Trump is helpful in bringing that about, despite himself.

Any movement by Harris is fake! She can’t even speak coherently without a teleprompter. Kamala is totally incompetent as a leader. This anyone but Trump mentality will destroy this nation.