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Walz’s claim that he was in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square protests undercut by unearthed newspaper reports

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Tianamen Square was not the only protest. Protests probably preceded the tragedy and continued afterwards. So he was in China during periods of unrest. Big deal.
And Hong Kong was a British Colony which did not reunite with China till the mid-90's.
I am astonished there is so much effort to find tiny discrepancies...
To make the Republican candidate's outrageous whoppers seem a little more normal.
Ain't working.
 
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Tianamen Square was not the only protest. Protests probably preceded the tragedy and continued afterwards. So he was in China during periods of unrest. Big deal.
And Hong Kong was a British Colony which did not reunite with China till the mid-90's.
I am astonished there is so much effort to find tiny discrepancies...
To make the Republican candidate's outrageous whoppers seem a little more normal.
Ain't working.
Maybe the article was misleading or there was miscommunication? I don’t know for sure.
 
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One news paper says "he's going to take over someone's job". The other newspaper had a picture that came out while he was abroad.

As a teacher chaperone who would have taken numerous students (and teacher's i'd guess) I'm not surprised he would have lost count a bit about how many times.

I.... this just doesn't look like any kind of REALLY significant gotcha.

Given the lack of context and information presented, it's hard to say much about it.

I'm also curious what kind of benefit he would gain from intentionally lying about this one specific factoid.
 
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I am astonished there is so much effort to find tiny discrepancies...

Did you even read the article?

Walz previously said he visited Hong Kong in “May of ’89,” weeks before the Tiananmen Square massacre in Beijing. During a 2014 hearing of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China honoring the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square protests, Walz, then a Minnesota congressman, appeared to recall specific details of his trip to the region at that time.
“As a young man, I was just going to teach high school in Foshan in Guangdong, and was in Hong Kong in May of ’89,” he said. “And as the events were unfolding, several of us went in. And I still remember the train station in Hong Kong.”
“The opportunity to be in a Chinese high school at that critical time seemed to me to be really important. And it was a very interesting summer to say the least. Because if you recall, as we moved in that summer and further on and the news blackouts and things that went on, you certainly can’t black out news from people if they want to get it,” he continued.
Walz further claimed in a June 2019 radio interview that he was in Hong Kong on June 4, 1989 – the day of the Tiananmen Square massacre.
“I was in Hong Kong on June 4, 1989, when, of course, Tiananmen Square happened. And I was in China after that. It was very strange ‘cause, of course, all outside transmissions were, were blocked – Voice of America – and, of course, there was no, no phones or email or anything. So I was kind of out of touch. It took me a month to know the Berlin Wall had fallen when I was living there,” he said.
During a 2009 hearing of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China to commemorate the Tiananmen Square protests, Walz claimed that he was in Hong Kong at the time, preparing to go teach in China.
“Twenty years ago today, I was in Hong Kong preparing to go to Foshan to teach at Foshan No. 1 Middle School,” he said. “To watch what happened at the end of the day on June 4 was something that many of us will never forget, we pledge to never forget, and bearing witness and accurate telling of history is absolutely crucial for any nation to move forward.”
Walz’s claims that he was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests have been repeated in media reports. But contemporaneous newspaper reports first resurfaced by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative news outlet, place Walz in Nebraska around that time. An issue of the Alliance Times-Herald dated May 16, 1989, features a photo of Walz touring a Nebraska National Guard storeroom. In the photo’s caption, the paper notes that Walz “will take over the job” of staffing the storeroom from a retiring guardsman and “will be moving to Alliance,” Nebraska. A separate newspaper article about Walz’s planned trip to China published by a Nebraska-based outlet in April 1989 reported that he planned to travel to China in early August of that year.
When asked by CNN if Walz was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests, the Harris campaign was unable to provide evidence to substantiate Walz’s claim.

HIs claim is not a "tiny discrepancy", nor is it a matter of simply misremembering something. Walz said, "To watch what happened at the end of the day on June 4 was something that many of us will never forget." He's speaking with specificity of the date and where he was at and how he'll never forget it.

It's just another apparent lie, which apparently is OK by liberals, since the other guy lies more.

It's sad what low standards the tribal loyalists have adopted for their candidates.
 
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He didn't say he was in Hong Kong (a British colony) on May 16 or April, 1989.)

And if the group went to China in August, not June, the repression and dangers and undercurrents of protest would still exist.

BTW, Midwestern and Southern schools are back in session about 8/15. And football, band, etc. Would've been practicing in early August.

No way a coach would schedule a trip so late.

Nice try.
 
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Nice try.

Nice try?

Walz said he was in Hong Kong on June 4. He said he'll "never forget it".

This is what he said:

I was in Hong Kong on June 4, 1989, when, of course, Tiananmen Square happened. And I was in China after that. It was very strange ‘cause, of course, all outside transmissions were, were blocked – Voice of America – and, of course, there was no, no phones or email or anything. So I was kind of out of touch. It took me a month to know the Berlin Wall had fallen when I was living there,” he said.
During a 2009 hearing of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China to commemorate the Tiananmen Square protests, Walz claimed that he was in Hong Kong at the time, preparing to go teach in China.

“Twenty years ago today, I was in Hong Kong preparing to go to Foshan to teach at Foshan No. 1 Middle School,” he said. “To watch what happened at the end of the day on June 4 was something that many of us will never forget, we pledge to never forget, and bearing witness and accurate telling of history is absolutely crucial for any nation to move forward.”

But apparently he did forget, or more accurately made the whole thing up, because there are photos that show him not in Hong Kong at that time.

An issue of the Alliance Times-Herald dated May 16, 1989, features a photo of Walz touring a Nebraska National Guard storeroom. In the photo’s caption, the paper notes that Walz “will take over the job” of staffing the storeroom from a retiring guardsman and “will be moving to Alliance,” Nebraska.
So I'm left wondering how Walz could have been in Hong Kong and Nebraska simultaneously.
 
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So I'm left wondering how Walz could have been in Hong Kong and Nebraska simultaneously.
There are pictures of him in Nebraska in May of 1989 and he claims he was in Hong Kong in June of 1989. That's not him being in two places simultaneously.
 
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There are pictures of him in Nebraska in May of 1989 and he claims he was in Hong Kong in June of 1989. That's not him being in two places simultaneously.

When asked by CNN if Walz was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests, the Harris campaign was unable to provide evidence to substantiate Walz’s claim.
 
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Apparently, Walz also can't remember how many times he's been to China. He has said he's been there 30 times and "dozens and dozens" of times. But the Harris campaign said it's closer to 15.

Walz also appears to have exaggerated the number of times he’s traveled to China. In a 2016 interview, he said he’s visited China “about 30 times.” In another meeting of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, in 2016, Walz claimed to have visited Hong Kong “dozens and dozens and dozens of times.”
When asked for clarification on how many times Walz traveled to China, a Harris campaign spokesperson told CNN the number of trips Walz took to China is “likely closer to 15.”
 
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When asked by CNN if Walz was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests, the Harris campaign was unable to provide evidence to substantiate Walz’s claim.
The Harris campaign not being able to provide evidence that Gov. Walz wasn't in Hong Kong on a certain day 35 years ago doesn't mean he wasn't there.
 
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Did you even read the article?

Walz previously said he visited Hong Kong in “May of ’89,” weeks before the Tiananmen Square massacre in Beijing. During a 2014 hearing of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China honoring the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square protests, Walz, then a Minnesota congressman, appeared to recall specific details of his trip to the region at that time.
“As a young man, I was just going to teach high school in Foshan in Guangdong, and was in Hong Kong in May of ’89,” he said. “And as the events were unfolding, several of us went in. And I still remember the train station in Hong Kong.”
“The opportunity to be in a Chinese high school at that critical time seemed to me to be really important. And it was a very interesting summer to say the least. Because if you recall, as we moved in that summer and further on and the news blackouts and things that went on, you certainly can’t black out news from people if they want to get it,” he continued.
Walz further claimed in a June 2019 radio interview that he was in Hong Kong on June 4, 1989 – the day of the Tiananmen Square massacre.
“I was in Hong Kong on June 4, 1989, when, of course, Tiananmen Square happened. And I was in China after that. It was very strange ‘cause, of course, all outside transmissions were, were blocked – Voice of America – and, of course, there was no, no phones or email or anything. So I was kind of out of touch. It took me a month to know the Berlin Wall had fallen when I was living there,” he said.
During a 2009 hearing of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China to commemorate the Tiananmen Square protests, Walz claimed that he was in Hong Kong at the time, preparing to go teach in China.
“Twenty years ago today, I was in Hong Kong preparing to go to Foshan to teach at Foshan No. 1 Middle School,” he said. “To watch what happened at the end of the day on June 4 was something that many of us will never forget, we pledge to never forget, and bearing witness and accurate telling of history is absolutely crucial for any nation to move forward.”
Walz’s claims that he was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests have been repeated in media reports. But contemporaneous newspaper reports first resurfaced by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative news outlet, place Walz in Nebraska around that time. An issue of the Alliance Times-Herald dated May 16, 1989, features a photo of Walz touring a Nebraska National Guard storeroom. In the photo’s caption, the paper notes that Walz “will take over the job” of staffing the storeroom from a retiring guardsman and “will be moving to Alliance,” Nebraska. A separate newspaper article about Walz’s planned trip to China published by a Nebraska-based outlet in April 1989 reported that he planned to travel to China in early August of that year.
When asked by CNN if Walz was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square protests, the Harris campaign was unable to provide evidence to substantiate Walz’s claim.

HIs claim is not a "tiny discrepancy", nor is it a matter of simply misremembering something. Walz said, "To watch what happened at the end of the day on June 4 was something that many of us will never forget." He's speaking with specificity of the date and where he was at and how he'll never forget it.

It's just another apparent lie, which apparently is OK by liberals, since the other guy lies more.

It's sad what low standards the tribal loyalists have adopted for their candidates.
You don’t actually expect the left to think this is a big deal, do you?
 
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Newly unearthed reports contradict previous claims made by Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz about his travel to China, including a claim that the Democratic vice presidential nominee was in Hong Kong for a teaching position in 1989 during the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protests that ended in hundreds of protesters killed by the Chinese government.

Well there’s a shocker.
Kind of like Hillary saying she was under sniper fire in Bosnia. https://www.reuters.com/article/eco...ia-sniper-fire-story-a-mistake-idUSN25408114/
Trump has done a few exaggerations too. Bush's national guard record, John Kerry's wounds. So many fabrications. I just hope Walz could pull the trigger against China if he ever got to be President and the usa was attacked. Hoppe they ask him what his plans would be if China attacks taiwan or the Philippines. Course he can just lie but at least get him on record.
 
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You don’t actually expect the left to think this is a big deal, do you?
A big deal lie is something like illegal Haitians (actually refugees) killing and eating people's pets.
 
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Newly unearthed reports contradict previous claims made by Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz about his travel to China, including a claim that the Democratic vice presidential nominee was in Hong Kong for a teaching position in 1989 during the Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protests that ended in hundreds of protesters killed by the Chinese government.

Well there’s a shocker.
Was he the guy standing in front of those tanks?
 
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The Harris campaign not being able to provide evidence that Gov. Walz wasn't in Hong Kong on a certain day 35 years ago doesn't mean he wasn't there.

Yes, that's true. However, the evidence would suggest that the reason that he can't prove he was there is because he probably wasn't.
 
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Apparently, Walz also can't remember how many times he's been to China. He has said he's been there 30 times and "dozens and dozens" of times. But the Harris campaign said it's closer to 15.

Walz also appears to have exaggerated the number of times he’s traveled to China. In a 2016 interview, he said he’s visited China “about 30 times.” In another meeting of the Congressional-Executive Commission on China, in 2016, Walz claimed to have visited Hong Kong “dozens and dozens and dozens of times.”
When asked for clarification on how many times Walz traveled to China, a Harris campaign spokesperson told CNN the number of trips Walz took to China is “likely closer to 15.”
Im not surprised. He chaperoned trips of high school students and teachers, right? Field trips start to blend in all together
 
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There are pictures of him in Nebraska in May of 1989 and he claims he was in Hong Kong in June of 1989. That's not him being in two places simultaneously.
I'm not sure why the point is still being discussed with such venom.
 
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A big deal lie is something like illegal Haitians (actually refugees) killing and eating people's pets.
No, a big deal is when you puff yourself up but you’re really a phony.
 
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