In Horrid Exorcism, Was Latin The Key?

[Michie]

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There it was, last Friday, in The New York Times—a story about an incredibly demonized house in Gary, Indiana, that’s the subject of a recent (and not recommended) Netflix movie.

“[Father Michael] Maginot ultimately performed three exorcisms [on one of the residents], two in English and one in Latin,” it said. “The family’s problems persisted after the first two exorcisms, but after the third, which Maginot performed in Latin rather than English, the events stopped.”

Had Latin been the key to deliverance, asked the newspaper, normally an unbelieving (but in this case believing) news source?

Make no mistake: this was an entirely vicious haunting, well-documented by social caseworkers, hospital personnel, police, the priest, and a slew of other witnesses. The Indianapolis Star did a tremendous report on the case.

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There it was, last Friday, in The New York Times—a story about an incredibly demonized house in Gary, Indiana, that's the subject of a recent (and not recommended) Netflix movie. "[Father Michael] Maginot ultimately performed three exorcisms [on one of the residents], two in English and one in...

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[Wolseley]

I saw the movie; the most disturbing thing in it was what happened to Zak Bagans, the producer/director, and several others involved in the project---and especially to Adam, one of the camera crewmen: he went into the filming a relatively normal kind of a guy, but something changed him while he was in the house. There is a sequence of him sitting on a cot inside the house, looking at his cellphone, and then he looks up, clearly frightened, and says, "Get away from me! Back the **** up!" Nothing can be seen in the video but him. He then goes on a rampage, charging around the house and throwing things at whatever he's seeing.

Bagans said that to this day, Adam refuses to speak to him, or to discuss what happened inside the house, but whatever he experienced is still having an effect on him. A selfie taken by Adam after the production was finished shows him glaring into the camera, bare-chested, covered with tattoos (including the number "666" tattooed across the backs of both hands), skull-like face makeup, his eyes black holes, and an upside-down black cross on his forehead. Apparently the guy went completely off the deep end.

If you're going to examine these locales that have a proven history of demonic infestation, you cannot, repeat, cannot, go into them without having the protection of baptism and faith. The enemy will find a way into the psyche of those without that protection, and exploit it. Nobody who saw what Adam looked like at the end of the movie could doubt that he was definitely under some sort of demonic influence, probably possession.

Bagans himself suffered an excruciating headache while in the house, and ended up with a permanent eye condition, requiring him to wear prescription lenses to keep his eyes from crossing; and several other individuals involved in the whole project have suffered physical and health issues and psychological disturbances as well.

To his credit, Bagans (who bought the place the make the movie) had the house razed to the ground, completely destroyed, so that no one else could ever live there again.

 

[Michie]

I saw the movie; the most disturbing thing in it was what happened to Zak Bagans, the producer/director, and several others involved in the project---and especially to Adam, one of the camera crewmen: he went into the filming a relatively normal kind of a guy, but something changed him while he was in the house. There is a sequence of him sitting on a cot inside the house, looking at his cellphone, and then he looks up, clearly frightened, and says, "Get away from me! Back the **** up!" Nothing can be seen in the video but him. He then goes on a rampage, charging around the house and throwing things at whatever he's seeing.

Bagans said that to this day, Adam refuses to speak to him, or to discuss what happened inside the house, but whatever he experienced is still having an effect on him. A selfie taken by Adam after the production was finished shows him glaring into the camera, bare-chested, covered with tattoos (including the number "666" tattooed across the backs of both hands), skull-like face makeup, his eyes black holes, and an upside-down black cross on his forehead. Apparently the guy went completely off the deep end.

If you're going to examine these locales that have a proven history of demonic infestation, you cannot, repeat, cannot, go into them without having the protection of baptism and faith. The enemy will find a way into the psyche of those without that protection, and exploit it. Nobody who saw what Adam looked like at the end of the movie could doubt that he was definitely under some sort of demonic influence, probably possession.

Bagans himself suffered an excruciating headache while in the house, and ended up with a permanent eye condition, requiring him to wear prescription lenses to keep his eyes from crossing; and several other individuals involved in the whole project have suffered physical and health issues and psychological disturbances as well.

To his credit, Bagans (who bought the place the make the movie) had the house razed to the ground, completely destroyed, so that no one else could ever live there again.

Bagans needs to stop courting these things. I just read he bought the remains of a serial killer to put inside his museum in Vegas. He profits off these things and I think there is something seriously wrong about that. I love museums but I would not set foot inside of the one he owns.

 

[Wolseley]

Bagans needs to stop courting these things. I just read he bought the remains of a serial killer to put inside his museum in Vegas. He profits off these things and I think there is something seriously wrong about that. I love museums but I would not set foot inside of the one he owns.

I personally wouldn't set foot inside the "museum" maintained by Ed and Lorraine Warren, and they certainly weren't displaying the stuff for profit; they took the stuff that had demonic influence attached to it and stored it in their basement, to keep it from harming others. Which is noble, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it. The same way like if I'm at somebody's house, and they pull out Tarot cards or a Ouija board: I'm on my way out. Not just out of the house, but into my car, and down the road. That stuff is nothing to fool with.

 

[Michie]

I personally wouldn't set foot inside the "museum" maintained by Ed and Lorraine Warren, and they certainly weren't displaying the stuff for profit; they took the stuff that had demonic influence attached to it and stored it in their basement, to keep it from harming others. Which is noble, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it. The same way like if I'm at somebody's house, and they pull out Tarot cards or an Ouija board: I'm on my way out. Not just out of the house, but into my car, and down the road. That stuff is nothing to fool with.

Why not burn the items??

 

[Wolseley]

Why not burn the items??

I have read that sometimes, if an item has a demonic spirit attached to it, burning the item releases the demon to go off and attach itself to something---or someone----else. But if it's attached to a specific item, it remains with the item, so if you isolate the item, you neutralize, so to speak, the demon's influence. Or so I understand. I have no evidence of this, either way. But it's what I read.

 

[Michie]

I have read that sometimes, if an item has a demonic spirit attached to it, burning the item releases the demon to go off and attach itself to something---or someone----else. But if it's attached to a specific item, it remains with the item, so if you isolate the item, you neutralize, so to speak, the demon's influence. Or so I understand. I have no evidence of this, either way. But it's what I read.

So where should the items go? In the cellar at the Vatican or what? That’s a conundrum for sure. I don’t think museums are a good idea.

 

[RileyG]

Bagans needs to stop courting these things. I just read he bought the remains of a serial killer to put inside his museum in Vegas. He profits off these things and I think there is something seriously wrong about that. I love museums but I would not set foot inside of the one he owns.

Yikes! That's just disrespectful to ANY remains.

 

[RileyG]

So where should the items go? In the cellar at the Vatican or what? That’s a conundrum for sure. I don’t think museums are a good idea.

Should they be blessed with holy water and by a priest? That's my guess.

 

[Wolseley]

So where should the items go? In the cellar at the Vatican or what? That’s a conundrum for sure. I don’t think museums are a good idea.

Frankly, I don't know. This is a grey area at best.

Maybe seal the stuff in lead cases and sink it to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Had Latin been the key to deliverance, asked the newspaper, normally an unbelieving (but in this case believing) news source?

So are we to believe that the language makes a difference to demons?
Or that God hears Latin better?
Or that Latin has more impact on the psyche of the person possessed?

 

[Michie]

So are we to believe that the language makes a difference to demons?
Or that God hears Latin better?
Or that Latin has more impact on the psyche of the person possessed?

The article just said Latin is particularly hated by demons. Make of it what you will. I think the fourth exorcism did the trick.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The article just said Latin is particularly hated by demons. Make of it what you will. I think the fourth exorcism did the trick.

Maybe because Ecclesial Latin was the language of the Church for centuries,. So many prayers written in it, so many saints knew it.

But the demons also can speak it and sometimes do use it.

Classical Latin or Latin of the Roman Empire is a bit different and the language of a cruel and oppressively regime., Demons should probably like it.

At any rate. Ecclesial Latin is good for all of us to at least try and learn a bit. Good for our brains and our prayer life.

 

[RileyG]

Maybe because Ecclesial Latin was the language of the Church for centuries,. So many prayers written in it, so many saints knew it.

But the demons also can speak it and sometimes do use it.

Classical Latin or Latin of the Roman Empire is a bit different and the language of a cruel and oppressively regime., Demons should probably like it.

At any rate. Ecclesial Latin is good for all of us to at least try and learn a bit. Good for our brains and our prayer life.

Yup. Well said.

 

[RileyG]

So are we to believe that the language makes a difference to demons?
Or that God hears Latin better?
Or that Latin has more impact on the psyche of the person possessed?

God understands all languages, it’s just Latin is still the official language of the Church.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

God understands all languages, it’s just Latin is still the official language of the Church.

Latin is the "official" language of the Church meaning that official documents are written in
Latin, but also translated into the vernacular.

Unless a Bishop is fluent in Latin, he'll rely on translation to guide him.

 

[RileyG]

Latin is the "official" language of the Church meaning that official documents are written in
Latin, but also translated into the vernacular.

Unless a Bishop is fluent in Latin, he'll rely on translation to guide him.

Yes. That's correct. Most bishops probably don't know latin other than some basic prayers, I assume. Or if they are old enough to have celebrated the traditional Latin Mass.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Latin is the "official" language of the Church meaning that official documents are written in
Latin, but also translated into the vernacular.

Unless a Bishop is fluent in Latin, he'll rely on translation to guide him.

I would think that Greek would be just as effective in the Orthodox Church. And I would guess it would be an older rather than modern Greek. But I don't know. Same with Russion.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I would think that Greek would be just as effective in the Orthodox Church. And I would guess it would be an older rather than modern Greek. But I don't know. Same with Russion.

Greek was used in the first translations of the Bible. In fact, the Septuagint was in Greek.

Latin came into the West as it was the common language of the people. In other words, it was the vernacular at that time.

Still, without the Church being open to translating the Bible into the Vernacular, we'd be like the Muslims who demand that
the Koran can only be in Arabic. In other words, the people remain in their ignorance.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Greek was used in the first translations of the Bible. In fact, the Septuagint was in Greek.

Latin came into the West as it was the common language of the people. In other words, it was the vernacular at that time.

Still, without the Church being open to translating the Bible into the Vernacular, we'd be like the Muslims who demand that
the Koran can only be in Arabic. In other words, the people remain in their ignorance.

Yes, I would think Koine Greek of the New Testament would be even more powerful than Latin.