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I’ve had abortions, worked at an abortion clinic. Why I’m horrified at Kamala Harris’ views

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As a mother of three, grandmother of eleven, and great-grandmother of three, I’m not easily offended or surprised. I’ve seen and heard nearly everything, more or less.

But having watched Vice President Kamala Harris at the recent debate and seen her lean in so hard to the dehumanization of the unborn was triggering.

The outright mockery and arrogance of Kamala Harris to dismiss so handily the lives of innocent babies have been horrific to see, watch, and read. Not only does she have her facts completely wrong, but she assumes abortion is the best decision for women, no matter the cost to the mother’s own health – mental, physical, and spiritual – and the life of the unborn baby.

My own story with abortion is a unique one where I've experienced my mother trying to abort me, being a mother who aborted her babies, and working in an abortion clinic helping other women abort their babies.

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I don't interpret what Harris says that way at all. To be pro-choice means supporting whatever the pregnant woman's decision is--and let's face it, most Republicans are not known for helping lift children out of poverty. Doubling the child tax credit--a Biden/Harris initiative--cut child poverty in half, but when they tried to extend it, Republican legislators let the child poverty rate double back again, because once a baby is born, their temporary compassion disappears.
One could also ask about the choice being denied to those who need IVF. Harris isn't denying thar choice.
I am someone who supports Harris despite her abortion position, because the idea of voting for Trump, whose list of immoral negatives written down would surely circle the equator, makes me physically ill.
 
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I don't interpret what Harris says that way at all. To be pro-choice means supporting whatever the pregnant woman's decision is--and let's face it, most Republicans are not known for helping lift children out of poverty. Doubling the child tax credit--a Biden/Harris initiative--cut child poverty in half, but when they tried to extend it, Republican legislators let the child poverty rate double back again, because once a baby is born, their temporary compassion disappears.
One could also ask about the choice being denied to those who need IVF. Harris isn't denying thar choice.
I am someone who supports Harris despite her abortion position, because the idea of voting for Trump, whose list of immoral negatives written down would surely circle the equator, makes me physically ill.
Why do you want to deny women access to abortion?
 
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As a mother of three, grandmother of eleven, and great-grandmother of three, I’m not easily offended or surprised. I’ve seen and heard nearly everything, more or less.

But having watched Vice President Kamala Harris at the recent debate and seen her lean in so hard to the dehumanization of the unborn was triggering.

The outright mockery and arrogance of Kamala Harris to dismiss so handily the lives of innocent babies have been horrific to see, watch, and read. Not only does she have her facts completely wrong, but she assumes abortion is the best decision for women, no matter the cost to the mother’s own health – mental, physical, and spiritual – and the life of the unborn baby.

My own story with abortion is a unique one where I've experienced my mother trying to abort me, being a mother who aborted her babies, and working in an abortion clinic helping other women abort their babies.

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Wow, this was powerful.
 
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I don't interpret what Harris says that way at all. To be pro-choice means supporting whatever the pregnant woman's decision is--and let's face it, most Republicans are not known for helping lift children out of poverty. Doubling the child tax credit--a Biden/Harris initiative--cut child poverty in half, but when they tried to extend it, Republican legislators let the child poverty rate double back again, because once a baby is born, their temporary compassion disappears.
One could also ask about the choice being denied to those who need IVF. Harris isn't denying thar choice.
I am someone who supports Harris despite her abortion position, because the idea of voting for Trump, whose list of immoral negatives written down would surely circle the equator, makes me physically ill.
There is no truth in the IVF claim. Democrat cities are cesspools, and you talk about republicans?
 
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I don't interpret what Harris says that way at all. To be pro-choice means supporting whatever the pregnant woman's decision is
A lot of pro-abortion young adults change their view to be against abortion when first shown an actual video of a baby being torn apart in the womb - the abortion process ending the life of that baby over time.
--and let's face it, most Republicans are not known for helping lift children out of poverty.
On the contrary - many are known for supporting groups that help pregnant mothers, food pantries etc.

What pro-abortion groups are known for is dismissing the life of the baby such that "convenience" is far more important than the act of taking the life of the baby.

Interesting that many of the pro-abortion arguments of Harris and others - draw no line even when the state calls it murder.

Take a baby in the womb they will kill it. But if that baby -- the SAME baby - were to be born first - and then killed - even the STATE would call that murder in many cases. I first ran into this with a citizen of China. When I asked what the difference was in the Baby - inside or outside the womb - since he too thought it was murder to do it outside - but the same baby killed inside was just fine. I chalked it up to the confused thinking withing communist china - among citizens not accustomed to thinking for themselves.
 
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Donating to food pantries or giving diapers to a pregnancy support group--both if which I do--has about .001% of the impact of doubling the child tax credit (which cut child poverty in half.)
And why does Harris want to give families $6000 in a baby's first year of life if she's such a beast?
Could it be that she thinks a carrot works better than a stick in encouraging Parenthood?
The stick is the weapon of the self-righteous, who think punishment is the best way to change behavior...when maybe giving families the help for their baby's first year is a much more holistic compassionate approach.
 
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As a mother of three, grandmother of eleven, and great-grandmother of three, I’m not easily offended or surprised. I’ve seen and heard nearly everything, more or less.

But having watched Vice President Kamala Harris at the recent debate and seen her lean in so hard to the dehumanization of the unborn was triggering.

The outright mockery and arrogance of Kamala Harris to dismiss so handily the lives of innocent babies have been horrific to see, watch, and read. Not only does she have her facts completely wrong, but she assumes abortion is the best decision for women, no matter the cost to the mother’s own health – mental, physical, and spiritual – and the life of the unborn baby.

My own story with abortion is a unique one where I've experienced my mother trying to abort me, being a mother who aborted her babies, and working in an abortion clinic helping other women abort their babies.

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Powerful testimony of real life experience and knowing the the importance of life even at conception. I think this reality is realised most when we see how a person who could have been extinguished through abortion and then goes on to fullfill their potential in life as a daughter, mother and grandmother herself and the difference that makes in reality.

I believe each and every aborted fetus has that unrealised potential and would have gone on to enrich the lives of many. I really think that reality lives on despite it being snuffed out. Lived on especially within the mother and family as a little piece of a real life in the making was ended.

You can't pretend its nothing. It does have an effect on the persons psyche and they are never the same again. It also devalues society as a whole as far as the value of human life and we see that detached and clinical attitude in society today.

I agree Harris is evil in this regard. But she is a manifestation of the Lefts progressive ideology that has been cultivated for years. The idea that women don't need men, don't need to be wives and mothers and true happiness is in your unbridled autonomy above all else. Of course with that naturally comes the idea that having kids is an inconvience so new ideologies are created to devalue unborn human life.

But in reality we are seeing many lonely and unhappy women and men for that matter. Alienated from each other, competing with each other. The cold and unreal ideology that human life is just a blob of cells and we are nothing more than animals acting on instinct.

With that we have seen the downfall of the family and society. Harris claims that she is for blacks, black families and yet under these radical Leftist ideras we have seen the destruction of black communities that once were 90% Christian, had strong marriages and families and abortion and fatherlessness was rare.

So Karmala stop pretending you are for the family, for blacks and for life and all that goes with it. Its not only wrong but evil that someone can be willing to live such a lie and then double down on it. But worse who then tries to make out that her ideology is good, is healthy and spiritual to the nation.

Its the same lies and gaslighting she was willing to engage in when lying and pretending that Biden was mentally fit when of all people being the closest to him should have known the truth but was willing to sell her soul for continuing the charade.
 
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Donating to food pantries or giving diapers to a pregnancy support group--both if which I do--has about .001% of the impact of doubling the child tax credit (which cut child poverty in half.)
And why does Harris want to give families $6000 in a baby's first year of life if she's such a beast?
Could it be that she thinks a carrot works better than a stick in encouraging Parenthood?
The stick is the weapon of the self-righteous, who think punishment is the best way to change behavior...when maybe giving families the help for their baby's first year is a much more holistic compassionate approach.
The holistic compassionate approach is adoption. Parenthood is not forced on any pregnant woman.
 
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And why is not giving families--especially young and needy ones--holistic and compassionate.
Adoption is often for the rich. In some states there may be subsidies to help families, if they adopt older kids from the foster care system.
 
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And why is not giving families--especially young and needy ones--holistic and compassionate.
Adoption is often for the rich.
So what? The rich and famous will go to other countries to adopt babies and children. But we abort them. And the rich and famous are all for that? Go figure.
In some states there may be subsidies to help families, if they adopt older kids from the foster care system.
Or babies born instead of aborted....
 
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So what? The rich and famous will go to other countries to adopt babies and children. But we abort them. And the rich and famous are all for that? Go figure.

Or babies born instead of aborted....
No baby should be aborted because they are unwanted, or two people couldn't control themselves. :(

Sad world we live in.
 
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No baby should be aborted because they are unwanted, or two people couldn't control themselves. :(

Sad world we live in.
Considering adoption, avoids parenting, parenthood,: abortion just desires not to be pregnant is all.
 
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A lot of pro-abortion young adults change their view to be against abortion when first shown an actual video of a baby being torn apart in the womb - the abortion process ending the life of that baby over time.

On the contrary - many are known for supporting groups that help pregnant mothers, food pantries etc.

What pro-abortion groups are known for is dismissing the life of the baby such that "convenience" is far more important than the act of taking the life of the baby.

Interesting that many of the pro-abortion arguments of Harris and others - draw no line even when the state calls it murder.

Take a baby in the womb they will kill it. But if that baby -- the SAME baby - were to be born first - and then killed - even the STATE would call that murder in many cases. I first ran into this with a citizen of China. When I asked what the difference was in the Baby - inside or outside the womb - since he too thought it was murder to do it outside - but the same baby killed inside was just fine. I chalked it up to the confused thinking withing communist china - among citizens not accustomed to thinking for themselves.
A lot of pro-abortion young adults change their view to be against abortion when first shown an actual video of a baby being torn apart in the womb - the abortion process ending the life of that baby over time.

On the contrary - many are known for supporting groups that help pregnant mothers, food pantries etc.

What pro-abortion groups are known for is dismissing the life of the baby such that "convenience" is far more important than the act of taking the life of the baby.

Interesting that many of the pro-abortion arguments of Harris and others - draw no line even when the state calls it murder.

Take a baby in the womb they will kill it. But if that baby -- the SAME baby - were to be born first - and then killed - even the STATE would call that murder in many cases. I first ran into this with a citizen of China. When I asked what the difference was in the Baby - inside or outside the womb - since he too thought it was murder to do it outside - but the same baby killed inside was just fine. I chalked it up to the confused thinking withing communist china - among citizens not accustomed to thinking for themselves.
I checked the following site to ascertain the creds of it. This is from the gov site above.
PubMed Central® (PMC) is a free full-text archive of biomedical and life sciences journal literature at the U.S. National Institutes of Health's National Library of Medicine (NIH/NLM)

Here is what pubmed has to say.

Peer-reviewed journals in the biological and life sciences literature have published articles that represent the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization ("the fertilization view"). As those statements are typically offered without explanation or citation, the fertilization view seems to be uncontested by the editors, reviewers, and authors who contribute to scientific journals. However, Americans are split on whether the fertilization view is a "philosophical or religious belief" (45%) or a "biological and scientific fact" (46%), and only 38% of Americans view fertilization as the starting point of a human's life. In the two studies that explored experts' views on the matter, the fertilization view was the most popular perspective held by public health and IVF professionals. Since a recent study suggested that 80% of Americans view biologists as the group most qualified to determine when a human's life begins, experts in biology were surveyed to provide a new perspective to the literature on experts' views on this matter. Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human's life begins and, overall, 96% (5337 out of 5577) affirmed the fertilization view.

Of course those of the self serving ilk will disagree because it is an inconvenient truth and they will find plenty other pretenders in the news media who will blow just the right color and scent of smoke so they can maintain that satisfying foggy delusion.
 
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Donating to food pantries or giving diapers to a pregnancy support group--both if which I do--has about .001% of the impact of doubling the child tax credit
Toying with the child tax credit has been in full control of democrats for 8 years under Obama and for 4 years under Biden and Harris.
There is nothing "magic" about that in 2025.
And why does Harris want to give families $6000 in a baby's first year of life if she's such a beast?
Why is it a good idea for her to do it in 2025 but it was a bad idea for her to do it in 2020 - 2024??
 
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Peer-reviewed journals in the biological and life sciences literature have published articles that represent the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization ("the fertilization view"). As those statements are typically offered without explanation or citation, the fertilization view seems to be uncontested by the editors, reviewers, and authors who contribute to scientific journals. However, Americans are split on whether the fertilization view is a "philosophical or religious belief" (45%) or a "biological and scientific fact"

We would me miles ahead of the lib status-quo if we could just get US citizens to vote against murder of a human when the state says that the same person outside the womb should be respected as a full human life.
 
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