More than 200 Republicans who previously worked for either former President Bush, Sen. McCain, or Sen. Romney, endorse VP Harris

[RoBo1988]

They are bored so they decide to vote Democrat? Ah well, if that's what you think.

Like Taylor Swift, win or lose, it will not affect their luxurious lives one bit. I would venture to say that all 200 of them work for, or head up a lobbyist group in the DC area.

 

[Lukaris]

Here is an example of various elite think tanks that want their power and the status quo that I posted in a different thread on the same matter.




The VP has the support of militarist oriented think tanks like the Atlantic Council.

Atlantic Council - Bias and Credibility​

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

An Atlantic Council member has a happy account of his work with the VP.

What Kamala Harris’s record in Central America and the Caribbean reveals about her foreign policy approach

There are ample clues to what US foreign policy would look like with Harris as president in her work in the Americas over the past three-and-a-half years.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

These groups dominate the headlines and often indicate how helpful they are in tackling problems in the world. Yet the world seems to be getting more chaotic, deadly, internationalist etc. But hey, the VP is good for business & the old interventionist types have definitely gotten hip & progressive in the eyes of many.

 

[Bradskii]

Like Taylor Swift, win or lose, it will not affect their luxurious lives one bit. I would venture to say that all 200 of them work for, or head up a lobbyist group in the DC area.

That's one way to avoid addressing it I guess.

 

[RoBo1988]

That's one way to avoid addressing it I guess.

Yep.

None of these 200 "conservative Republicans" live in the small cities in Alabama, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. where the Harris/ Biden administration are dumping 1/3 of their population in refugees, expecting them to fend for themselves.

 

[Bradskii]

Yep.

None of these 200 "conservative Republicans" live in the small cities in Alabama, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. where the Harris/ Biden administration are dumping 1/3 of their population in refugees, expecting them to fend for themselves.

I thought it had been explained that they dislike the Democratic policies probably as much as you do. I would imagine that they think that Biden has failed regarding immigration, the same as you do. They aren't voting for Harris because they think they're doing great. They're not voting for Harris because they don't care that the Democratic policies are failing. They're telling you that they're doing it because they think that Trump is a danger to the US.

You seem to have misunderstood completely why they are doing this.

 

[Lukaris]

Accidental entry above.


There are those telling American conservatives that Trump is a danger. No matter how we point out how dangerous these people really are rather than Trump, they just prattle on. As if these are the only capable ( however incompetent or traitorous they are) “experts” we must obey.

There are competent, pro America officials who served under Trump and did a decent job like Mike Pompeo.

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo endorses Trump in ‘America first' RNC speech

Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo spoke at the Republican National Convention to endorse former President Donald Trump for reelection, citing Trump’s “America first” policies.

www.nbcphiladelphia.com

 

[Bradskii]

As if these are the only capable ( however incompetent or traitorous they are) “experts” we must obey.

You don't have to 'obey' anyone. But why people simply dismiss this with no thought is beyond anything that I can understand. If this was a great number of Democrats warning us all about Harris (and I'm not talking about ex Democrats) then you'd be demanding that we at least listen to what they were saying.

 

[Lukaris]

You don't have to 'obey' anyone. But why people simply dismiss this with no thought is beyond anything that I can understand. If this was a great number of Democrats warning us all about Harris (and I'm not talking about ex Democrats) then you'd be demanding that we at least listen to what they were saying.

To many of us American conservatives these people are a political and economic plague on us. It is like listening to Dracula telling us to donate blood ( we’ll take the Red Cross instead). have posted plenty of examples of why many of us reject these people. You don’t get it and just keep telling us that those who are burying us are our fellow conservatives warning us of phantom dangers just like they did with Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction.”

 

[Bradskii]

To many of us American conservatives these people are a political and economic plague on us. It is like listening to Dracula telling us to donate blood ( we’ll take the Red Cross instead). have posted plenty of examples of why many of us reject these people. You don’t get it and just keep telling us that those who are burying us are our fellow conservatives warning us of phantom dangers just like they did with Saddam’s “weapons of mass destruction.”

I guess you need to know what they think of Trump before you can comment on any given Republican. If they think he's not to be trusted with the keys to the West Wing then they're bad. If they support him then they're good.

I'd bet that if I named a prominent Republican in this thread and asked everyone if his or her views were to be trusted, then a lot of people would hit Google to see if they had recently said anything about Trump before they answered. It's just so obvious.

 

[RoBo1988]

I thought it had been explained that they dislike the Democratic policies probably as much as you do

Yet not a single one of them will suffer the consequences of another 4 years of these policies.

 

[Lukaris]

I guess you need to know what they think of Trump before you can comment on any given Republican. If they think he's not to be trusted with the keys to the West Wing then they're bad. If they support him then they're good.

I'd bet that if I named a prominent Republican in this thread and asked everyone if his or her views were to be trusted, then a lot of people would hit Google to see if they had recently said anything about Trump before they answered. It's just so obvious.

I guess the political spectrum you identify with in your nation needs the American interventionist policy for its objectives. You seem to keep on telling conservative, working class Americans that it is wrong that they choose to be isolationist with the exception of humanitarian foreign aid. Why isolationist conservatism is so bad, I have no idea. That is what the Trump policy is too as the current VP for prez told former VP Mike Pence in the 2020 VP debate.

I respect the stance taken by Mike Pence and probably would have supported his bid to be president if he had a chance.

 

[Bradskii]

Why isolationist conservatism is so bad, I have no idea. That is what the Trump policy is too as the current VP for prez told former VP Mike Pence in the 2020 VP debate.

You are a member of NATO. That in itself gives you obligations. But if you want to view matters purely as a business (as one or two politicians seem to prefer to do) then a stable Eastern Europe is exceptionally important to the US.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

If it was 'I used to be a Republican but I have now moved more towards the left of centre so I'll probably now vote Democrat' then no-one would blink an eye. But we both know that that's not the case. All these people are Republicans and will remain Republicans, supporting Republican policies and arguing against Democratic ones. These are senior Republican figures who feel that the threat to democracy that Trump presents will cause them to vote for Harris.

Most of those who will be voting him seem to not want to confront this unprecedented situation and have wave it away as if it's some disgruntled politicians. They are not. And they are warning you.

Parroting the approved DNC phrase, I see. It's like that jingle that is repeated thousands of times, so many times that people remember. It has certainly been effective on the susceptible.

It's false, but that matters not; all that matters is maintaining the status quo.

This administration actually strong-armed social media to silence Americans, to do what it is prohibited to do under the first Amendment, but hey, who cares about the pivotal right of Americans?


" CNN: Mark Zuckerberg, chairman and CEO of the social media company Meta, said in a letter to the House Judiciary committee on Monday that his teams were “pressured” by the Biden White House to censor some content around the Covid-19 pandemic.

“In 2021, senior officials from the Biden Administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID-19 content, including humor and satire, and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams when we didn’t agree,” Zuckerberg said."

n his letter to the judiciary committee, Zuckerberg said the pressure he felt in 2021 was “wrong” and he came to “regret” that his company, the parent of Facebook and Instagram, was not more outspoken. Zuckerberg added that with the “benefit of hindsight and new information” there were decisions made in 2021 that wouldn’t be made today.


“Like I said to our teams at the time, I feel strongly that we should not compromise our content standards due to pressure from any Administration in either direction – and we’re ready to push back if something like this happens again,” Zuckerberg wrote.


President Biden said in July of 2021 that social media platforms are “killing people” with misinformation surrounding the pandemic."

And FB (and other social media) was not forced to censor just pandemic posts, including those from doctors and scientists - and people just discussing their own scenarios- but also pressured to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story and anyone talking in an unapproved manner about the election.

If one doesn't understand the pivotal nature of the First Amendment rights in this country, that sort of violation must be acceptable. But it is not to anyone who does understand the implications.

 

[Bradskii]

Parroting the approved DNC phrase, I see.

What on earth...? I'm repeating what these Republicans are actually saying. Not what the Democrats are saying. You can read what 200 of them think right here: DocumentCloud

This is part of it:

'Of course, we have plenty of honest, ideological disagreements with Vice President Harris and Gov. Walz. That’s to be expected. The alternative, however, is simply untenable.'

And another: Republican Former National Security Leaders Statement of Support for Vice President Harris https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/38a5a90bef9711ef/a1c00612-full.pdf

Part of the letter:

'We believe that the President of the United States must be a principled, serious, and steady leader who can advance and defend American security and values, strengthen our alliances, and protect our democracy. We expect to disagree with Kamala Harris on many domestic and foreign policy issues, but we believe that she possesses the essential qualities to serve as President and Donald Trump does not. We therefore support her election to be President.'

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

What on earth...? I'm repeating what these Republicans are actually saying. Not what the Democrats are saying. You can read what 200 of them think right here: DocumentCloud

This is part of it:

'Of course, we have plenty of honest, ideological disagreements with Vice President Harris and Gov. Walz. That’s to be expected. The alternative, however, is simply untenable.'

And another: Republican Former National Security Leaders Statement of Support for Vice President Harris https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/38a5a90bef9711ef/a1c00612-full.pdf

Part of the letter:

'We believe that the President of the United States must be a principled, serious, and steady leader who can advance and defend American security and values, strengthen our alliances, and protect our democracy. We expect to disagree with Kamala Harris on many domestic and foreign policy issues, but we believe that she possesses the essential qualities to serve as President and Donald Trump does not. We therefore support her election to be President.'

You do realize that some of those "200 security experts" also signed the debunked "Hunter Laptop was Russian disinformation" letter? If not, be aware.

I don't care if 10 million government hacks say that Harris is the best thing since sliced bread, as they told us "Biden is as sharp as ever and no one can keep up with him" and "the border is secure". All were/are demonstrably false.

I have carefully watched two administrations back to back and paid attention to when rights were actually violated and I'm knowledgeable on said rights.

 

[Bradskii]

You do realize that some of those "200 security experts" also signed the debunked "Hunter Laptop was Russian disinformation" letter? If not, be aware.

They are all Republicans for heaven's sake. You are free to quote any of them in any case.

I don't care if 10 million government hacks say that Harris is the best thing since sliced bread, as they told us "Biden is as sharp as ever and no one can keep up with him" and "the border is secure". All were/are demonstrably false.

Again, and I'm astonished that I have to keep pointing this out...they are all Republicans. They're not in the government. Do you not understand this? They are saying as much as you might not support Democratic policies, people must not vote Trump into power and they must vote for Harris to try to prevent that happening.

 

[JosephZ]

You do realize that some of those "200 security experts" also signed the debunked "Hunter Laptop was Russian disinformation" letter?

How many?

 

[Lukaris]

The one poster here has often used the word “unprecedented” as to this petition of concerned citizens re how “dangerous” Trump is. Is it really so “unprecedented” or just repeated propaganda from the past?

List of Republicans who opposed the Donald Trump 2016 presidential campaign - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Lukaris]

You are a member of NATO. That in itself gives you obligations. But if you want to view matters purely as a business (as one or two politicians seem to prefer to do) then a stable Eastern Europe is exceptionally important to the US.

The more we can get away from there the better. It might take a generation but it is a worthwhile goal to pursue within a reasonable process.

If I had lived in colonial America I probably would have not been liked politically. Assuming I could see matters then as I do now ( mindset wise), I would have agreed with (pre Declaration of Independence ) Thomas Jefferson to beg the British Empire to stop the slave trade.
On the other hand, I would have supported the English Proclamation Line on the western frontier limiting American western expansion. My simple basis for this would be the golden rule ( Matthew 7:12). Most secular liberal values are empty and worthless.

 

[JosephZ]

The one poster here has often used the word “unprecedented” as to this petition of concerned citizens re how “dangerous” Trump is. Is it really so “unprecedented” or just repeated propaganda from the past?

Unprecedented:

More than 740 High-Ranking National Security Officials have Endorsed VP Harris