Ohio Sheriff: "Write Down All the Addresses" of Harris Supporters, Calls Illegal Immigrants "Locusts"

[rjs330]

If I were offended by being called a homophobe, then it would also convey that I find homophobes deplorable, just like Hillary.

Unfortunately that doesn't work for the left. Being offended at the comment doesn't mean you aren't what they call you. I see a lot of nievete in your statement.

 

[iluvatar5150]

That's always the answer for the left.

And this appears to always be the answer for the right: lie about immigrants, demonize them, and treat them as if they're subhuman. Of the two options, I'd prefer the one with open arms and an open checkbook, because yes, it is morally superior.

More federal aid. More money, more taxes which now puts a strain on everyone.

Was 2016 really that bad? Without Trump's tax cuts, we'd have an extra trillion-or-so dollars in the treasury by now. How much good could we have done with an extra trillion dollars? Instead, it's mostly sitting in the pockets of people who already had a lot of money.

The better answer is to not let them in in the first place.

Why is that the better answer?

The Democrats are creating a problem.

Dems are creating global poverty that motivates people to want to move here?

And their answer is always to fix the problem they created by spending more money. My money, my children's money, my grand children's money on things we DONT need to spend money on. Failing to close the boarder causes far more problems than infrastructure problems.

You know what that money does? It doesn't just sit under a mattress. It goes into the community and stimulates economic development. Many small cities don't have enough people to do anything more than stagnate. I've never been to Springfield, but I did grow up in a declining post-industrial rust belt town of nearly identical size, so I think I have some idea of what it's probably like. Without new people to juice things, they could spend decades trying to turn things around, like my hometown or the next one over have been. The county I grew up in has been treading water for 30 years, and it's only the cities that have even managed to do that "well." The rural areas are even worse off.

The US birth rate is below the replacement rate. Without more immigration, our country's population will shrink. As that happens, folks will continue to coalesce around cities (including in suburban and exurban areas), while the rural areas will continue to hollow out and continue to lose services like hospitals and schools, because there won't be enough people to support their existence. Is that what you want? That's not what I want. Because, believe it or not, as much I as like the amenities of Big City life, I would like small, non-megalopolis cities and towns to be a viable option for folks who want to have a career and raise kids in an enriching environment filled with hope and opportunity, instead of the stagnancy and complacency that often comes with living in a place where nothing changes.

 

[loveofourlord]

Unfortunately that doesn't work for the left. Being offended at the comment doesn't mean you aren't what they call you. I see a lot of nievete in your statement.

You leave out that most of the time, it's not what your against, but how you say it. Not saying you do, but the right tends to be a bit more phobic then just, "If your agaisnt trans." it's often, "If your against allowing rapist into womans bathrooms, and mutlating kids genitals." and such like that, it's a completly different thing then just, "I'm against transgenderism."

It's not, "I'm against drag queen story teller." it's, "They are nothing but sexual perverts trying to flaunt their kink in front of kids."

it's not I disagree with Obama, it was, "years of birtherism, and comparing him to monkeys and other racist things." again not saying you are like this, but when the left calls the right phobic, it is more then just a little bit of disagreement, it's often attacking insulting, and calling them dispicable things far worse then phobic.

And on the topic of stuff that create shootings and such, need you be reminded how much of the above rhetoric has caused shootigns at gay bars or bomb threats and such by people riled up on hate against gays by the right.

 

[Hank77]

What is she saying different than I was?

Do you simply like her better? What is up?

I've taken screenshots of the dictionary if that's the direction you want to go. I spoke the truth.

She's not blaming the immigrants for coming there or being there and she isn't even hinting that they should leave. In fact, she says that they were/are needed there to fill jobs.

 

[childeye 2]

Unfortunately that doesn't work for the left. Being offended at the comment doesn't mean you aren't what they call you. I see a lot of nievete in your statement.

Well, nonetheless I think I get what you mean. I think you're saying that you can say you're not a homophobe but that won't matter, some people will still count you as one. But like I said, if you're offended at being called a homophobe then you agree that homophobia is a bad thing (deplorable) just like Hillary. The point being that most disputes are over misunderstandings.

 

[Hazelelponi]

She's not blaming the immigrants for coming there or being there and she isn't even hinting that they should leave. In fact, she says that they were/are needed there to fill jobs.

That right there is an entire topic all by itself...

Firstly, if you recall all the articles about the loss of most of the towns manufacturing pre 2014 it was decimating to the town.

The manufacturer worker pool as a result picked up and moved, because the manufacturing that was left didn't pay.

Did not pay.

What they are doing is replacing native born workers - who ask for a decent living wage in order to work for you - and replacing them with slaves who don't know what a decent living wage is.

Instead of decimating the towns manufacturing and filling what's left with minimum wage slaves after the worker pool moves on to greener pastures - maybe a better plan, one that actually cares about American workers and American citizens having good paying jobs in the towns they were born and raised would be better.

I'm calling them slavers for a reason. If you want good help in America you have to pay a good and competitive wage - until you ship in the slaves.

An article about the decimating of US manufacturing in general:

Job Loss from Going Green Is Nothing Like the Loss of Manufacturing Jobs Due to Trade

cepr.net

An article spotlighting this exact town of Springfield OH in 2016

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/19/493920060/springfield-ohio-a-shrinking-city-faces-a-tough-economic-future

 

[expos4ever]

I read at least one person defending the locust image as appropriately descriptive. I have, in the past, pointed out that racist and xenophobes have historically used metaphors like this -images of infestation, plague, vermin, etc - to advance their dark purposes.

Yet people use and defend such imagery on this very forum, all the while claiming to not be racists or xenophobes. Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

 

[Robban]

Are you not aware that we use animal comparisons all the time? It's actually a literary term.

Strong as a bull
Fast as a bunny rabbit
Doesnt have the sense God gave a goat

In the book Things Fall Apart the author compared the British colonizers to a swarm of locusts.

David said his enemies surrounded him like a swarm of bees.

Jesus compared some to snakes some swine.

So yes we use animal analogies to show a sentiment or describe a situation. And those descriptions can be an accurate description of the situation. Good or bad. It doesn't mean the reference isn't saying they aren't human, but it's a reference to either the situation or how they are behaving. It's typical human language meant to describe a behavior or situation.

From Psalms 68.

My Lord said, "I will bring back from Bashan......."

Rebuke the wild beast of the reeds the assembly of mighty bulls among the calves of nations.

From among the nations who are compared to "Bulls of Bashan" (standard comment)

 

[Robban]

I read at least one person defending the locust image as appropriately descriptive. I have, in the past, pointed out that racist and xenophobes have historically used metaphors like this -images of infestation, plague, vermin, etc - to advance their dark purposes.

Yet people use and defend such imagery on this very forum, all the while claiming to not be racists or xenophobes. Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

We are all born with an animal soul, btw, you yourself are likening people with ducks

What does that say about you?.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I read at least one person defending the locust image as appropriately descriptive. I have, in the past, pointed out that racist and xenophobes have historically used metaphors like this -images of infestation, plague, vermin, etc - to advance their dark purposes.

Yet people use and defend such imagery on this very forum, all the while claiming to not be racists or xenophobes. Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

When everything is called racist or a sign of racism it doesn't do any good to walk on egg shells with every word, every word is still called racist.

So I have decided to just talk and try my best to communicate thoughts and ideas.

If that means comparing mass migration to locusts swarming then I figure that's just fine.

Doesn't make me a racist it makes me someone trying to have a normal conversation.

No one has to join in, but calling everything racist and or refusing to have a conversation with people about important topics because you would have used a different term really shows things for what they are.

The point is to cancel opinions from the right. And in this, the opinions your cancelling comes from people who don't like modern slavery and think it's a horror, it comes from people who think a government has a duty to fulfill it's oath to the American people etc etc. etc.

Listening to Americans about the problems they face in an attempt to solve real problems is sort of important for a truly great country. It helps you consider what candidate has the best ideas for solutions. Real solutions not lipstick on pigs.

Many are trying to have these conversations. Ignore if you wish, but considering the place this nation is at, I would think they are being ignored to the detriment of the nation.

 

[7thKeeper]

We are all born with an animal soul, btw, you yourself are likening people with ducks

What does that say about you?.

That... That was nowhere likening people to ducks. The whole saying ends "it's a duck." As in, if something behaves and sounds like exactly something, it's that something. The connotations themselves are entire different too in between calling people locusts and saying "hey, you sound pretty xenophobic there... You're probably xenophobic in that case."

 

[Hans Blaster]

That right there is an entire topic all by itself...

Firstly, if you recall all the articles about the loss of most of the towns manufacturing pre 2014 it was decimating to the town.

Like many smaller cities in the so-called "Rust Belt" manufacturing had been declining in Springfield for decades.

The manufacturer worker pool as a result picked up and moved, because the manufacturing that was left didn't pay.

Not so much that the workers left for other manufacturing jobs, but other kinds of jobs overall. This pattern repeats itself in the small industrial cities across the country. Slow loss of manufacturing jobs in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, discouraged entry into the work force of young people. Think of it this way in 1990 when manufacturing employment had been dropping for more than a decade, even the elder boomers were only in their 40s. Not ready to retire at all. When companies needed workers there was a ready pool of experienced factory workers from other companies that had downsized. Gen Xers (and millenials later) would largely avoid manufacturing and not learn the skills needed, etc. Starting around 2010, the boomers started retiring en mass. Faster than their replacements could be trained or manufacturing was shrinking.

This long demographic trend and history of manufacturing employment is a big part of the background of many small cities like Springfield. (There also seems to be a modest growth by some of the remaining companies around 2015 from what I have read.)

Did not pay.

What they are doing is replacing native born workers - who ask for a decent living wage in order to work for you - and replacing them with slaves who don't know what a decent living wage is.

That is clearly *not* what is happening. The reporting is clear that companies had unfilled jobs. The wages may not have been tip-top (I've seen no reporting about the wages paid for these positions), but they were apparently paying what other manufacturing jobs in town (or at the same plant) were paying. It is not the case that these companies had (nearly) full rosters of employees (say making $22/hr) and to save money they hired a bunch of similarly skilled immigrants at a much lower wage (say $13/hr) and figured out a way to push out the original workers. Nothing like that has been reported. It was the regular full pay (in this example $22/hr) jobs that were UNFILLED.

Instead of decimating the towns manufacturing and filling what's left with minimum wage slaves after the worker pool moves on to greener pastures - maybe a better plan, one that actually cares about American workers and American citizens having good paying jobs in the towns they were born and raised would be better.

This wasn't some plan or scheme. Manufacturing declined in these kinds of cities for decades because plants shutdown or shrank, not because they were looking to squeeze the workers.

I'm calling them slavers for a reason. If you want good help in America you have to pay a good and competitive wage - until you ship in the slaves.

And it is inflamatory and nonsense rhetoric. Working for a lower wage is not slavery and the jobs these migrants took were offered to them at the same rate as anyone else.

An article about the decimating of US manufacturing in general:

Job Loss from Going Green Is Nothing Like the Loss of Manufacturing Jobs Due to Trade

cepr.net

An article spotlighting this exact town of Springfield OH in 2016

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/19/493920060/springfield-ohio-a-shrinking-city-faces-a-tough-economic-future

 

[bèlla]

Now we've gone from geese and pets to locusts. What a mess.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Portage County sheriff: 'Write down the addresses' of Kamala Harris supporters who display yard signs

Sheriff Bruce D. Zuchowski, who took office in 2021, made the remarks in Facebook posts shared to two separate accounts on the night of Sept. 13.

www.wkyc.com

Facebook

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Some people need to grow up. This is childish behavior. I don't put political posters on my yard, car, Or on my Facebook. Because of extremist.

 

[wing2000]

That is clearly *not* what is happening. The reporting is clear that companies had unfilled jobs. The wages may not have been tip-top (I've seen no reporting about the wages paid for these positions), but they were apparently paying what other manufacturing jobs in town (or at the same plant) were paying. It is not the case that these companies had (nearly) full rosters of employees (say making $22/hr) and to save money they hired a bunch of similarly skilled immigrants at a much lower wage (say $13/hr) and figured out a way to push out the original workers. Nothing like that has been reported. It was the regular full pay (in this example $22/hr) jobs that were UNFILLED.

A local CEO noted he had trouble finding reliable workers who would come to work every day.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Jamie McGregor is the CEO of McGregor Metal, which makes welded parts for the auto and farm industries.
Right now, about 10 percent of his work force is Haitian, over 30 employees.

JAMIE MCGREGOR: I wish I had 30 more.
Our Haitian associates come to work every day.
They don't have a drug problem.
They will stay at their machine.
They will achieve their numbers.
They are here to work.
And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what were used to in our community.

PBS News Hour | Ohio city with Haitian migrant influx thrust into spotlight | Season 2024

Ohio city with Haitian migrant influx thrust into political spotlight

www.pbs.org

 

[dzheremi]

Well we were called deporables. Racists, homophones, transphobes, white supremacists, dangerous to democracy among other things.

I highly doubt anyone called you "homophones". I'd remember that.

 

[Robban]

That... That was nowhere likening people to ducks. The whole saying ends "it's a duck." As in, if something behaves and sounds like exactly something, it's that something. The connotations themselves are entire different too in between calling people locusts and saying "hey, you sound pretty xenophobic there... You're probably xenophobic in that case."

Why refer to ducks then.

Here is a message to those who put their trust in wealth,

from Psalms 50:21,

Man (can live) in glory but does not understand, he is likened to the silenced animals.

 

[durangodawood]

Why refer to ducks then.

Here is a message to those who put their trust in wealth,

from Psalms 50:21,

Man (can live) in glory but does not understand, he is likened to the silenced animals.

I dont care if the Bible says its ok to call this group or that group of people insects or vermin or whatever.

It is NOT ok.

 

[7thKeeper]

Why refer to ducks then.

Here is a message to those who put their trust in wealth,

from Psalms 50:21,

Man (can live) in glory but does not understand, he is likened to the silenced animals.

Because it's a saying to describe a situation where if something appears to be something, is probably is. If you can not see the difference between describing people as locusts and saying "if one acts and speaks in the manner of X (whatever it be in each case), then one's probably X" then... Well...

 

[Robban]

I dont care if the Bible says its ok to call this group or that group of people insects or vermin or whatever.

It is NOT ok.

That is not what is meant, as far as locusts go.

But more like a warning that all what you have worked for can be taken from you, just as a swarm of locusts, a warning to a people who were

familiar with what locusts can do.

Amos 7:1-4

Names grasshoppers but it ended well.

And if no one is allowed to use certain words to describe an event or such, then I do not see why people should talk with eachother.

My conclusion, much ado over nothing.