Springfield is Emblematic of America's Immigration Death Spiral

[Vambram]

Springfield is Emblematic of America's Immigration Death ...

Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

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The city's residents needed someone to believe in them. Between 1970 and the early 2000s, Springfield's population had declined by over 30,000. The Greater Springfield area had suffered a 27 percent drop in median income. For a city and region devastated by manufacturing jobs offshored to Mexico and Asia, this was exciting news.

But today, a new threat is endangering the livelihood of Springfield's citizens: Employers are actively displacing the domestic workforce by hiring newly-arrived immigrants from Haiti. All this at a time when 7 million American men between the ages of 25 and 55 are unemployed, and almost three quarters of the U.S.'s employment growth has come from immigrants since 2019.

And not everyone is embarrassed to admit it.

"I wish I had 30 more [he currently employs 30 Haitian workers," CEO Jamie McGregor of Springfield-based McGregor Metal, explained it this way during his PBS News Hour interview. "Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They'll stay at their machine; they'll achieve their numbers. They're here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what we're used to in our community."
How did Springfield get here? Simple: Mass immigration and chain migration during the Biden administration, as a direct result of Biden's immigration policy.

What's particularly vexing is the U.S. government is funneling taxpayer money to non-governmental organizations (NGOs) who help resettle these immigrants and assist them in applying for welfare in the form of food stamps, Medicaid, and housing.
Coming from a country where the hourly wage is around 60 cents, any Haitian would be ecstatic about working in Ohio and earning a minimum wage of $10.45 an hour. Sadly, American workers can't compete for the jobs they're taking at those wages or survive at the resulting lower standards of living.
Samuel Gompers, father of the American labor movement and founder of what's known today as the AFL-CIO Union understood all too well the conundrum of a "rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages." Companies like McGregor's are thriving on "labor supply at low wages," knowing full well the Haitians they've hired won't ever complain about their pay nor attempt to unionize.
Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

 

[Always in His Presence]

well said

 

[Vambram]

well said

Thank you.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Springfield is Emblematic of America's Immigration Death ...

Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

www.newsweek.com

"I wish I had 30 more [he currently employs 30 Haitian workers," CEO Jamie McGregor of Springfield-based McGregor Metal, explained it this way during his PBS News Hour interview. "Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They'll stay at their machine; they'll achieve their numbers. They're here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what we're used to in our community."
How did Springfield get here? Simple: Mass immigration and chain migration during the Biden administration, as a direct result of Biden's immigration policy.

Sounds like "mass immigration and chain migration" are helping to revitalize Springfield's economy.

Coming from a country where the hourly wage is around 60 cents, any Haitian would be ecstatic about working in Ohio and earning a minimum wage of $10.45 an hour. Sadly, American workers can't compete for the jobs they're taking at those wages or survive at the resulting lower standards of living.

Ohio could raise the minimum wage...

Samuel Gompers, father of the American labor movement and founder of what's known today as the AFL-CIO Union understood all too well the conundrum of a "rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages." Companies like McGregor's are thriving on "labor supply at low wages," knowing full well the Haitians they've hired won't ever complain about their pay nor attempt to unionize.
Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

Are Republicans now on board with unionization and high wages for low skill jobs?

 

[wing2000]

Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

...a point some of us have been making for sometime (Walmart is the typical example).

What do you propose should be done about it?

 

[wing2000]

"I wish I had 30 more [he currently employs 30 Haitian workers," CEO Jamie McGregor of Springfield-based McGregor Metal, explained it this way during his PBS News Hour interview. "Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They'll stay at their machine; they'll achieve their numbers. They're here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what we're used to in our community."

What does this say about the work ethic of today's American worker?

 

[Vambram]

...a point some of us have been making for sometime (Walmart is the typical example).

What do you propose should be done about it?

We should stop bringing in so many foreign workers who are willing to labor for low wages.

 

[Richard T]

I think we should open the border to Mexico and Canada with a common market. It would solve a whole bunch of problems and extend USA power and growth well into the future. This is an old idea that would have prevented where we are today.

 

[RileyG]

Thanks for posting.

 

[eleos1954]

Springfield is Emblematic of America's Immigration Death ...

Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

www.newsweek.com

The city's residents needed someone to believe in them. Between 1970 and the early 2000s, Springfield's population had declined by over 30,000. The Greater Springfield area had suffered a 27 percent drop in median income. For a city and region devastated by manufacturing jobs offshored to Mexico and Asia, this was exciting news.

But today, a new threat is endangering the livelihood of Springfield's citizens: Employers are actively displacing the domestic workforce by hiring newly-arrived immigrants from Haiti. All this at a time when 7 million American men between the ages of 25 and 55 are unemployed, and almost three quarters of the U.S.'s employment growth has come from immigrants since 2019.

And not everyone is embarrassed to admit it.

"I wish I had 30 more [he currently employs 30 Haitian workers," CEO Jamie McGregor of Springfield-based McGregor Metal, explained it this way during his PBS News Hour interview. "Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They'll stay at their machine; they'll achieve their numbers. They're here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what we're used to in our community."
How did Springfield get here? Simple: Mass immigration and chain migration during the Biden administration, as a direct result of Biden's immigration policy.

What's particularly vexing is the U.S. government is funneling taxpayer money to non-governmental organizations (NGOs) who help resettle these immigrants and assist them in applying for welfare in the form of food stamps, Medicaid, and housing.
Coming from a country where the hourly wage is around 60 cents, any Haitian would be ecstatic about working in Ohio and earning a minimum wage of $10.45 an hour. Sadly, American workers can't compete for the jobs they're taking at those wages or survive at the resulting lower standards of living.
Samuel Gompers, father of the American labor movement and founder of what's known today as the AFL-CIO Union understood all too well the conundrum of a "rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages." Companies like McGregor's are thriving on "labor supply at low wages," knowing full well the Haitians they've hired won't ever complain about their pay nor attempt to unionize.
Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

There is an imbalance ... too many immigrants in one town/city ... not adequate housing and other resources and the communities resources are being severely impacted/destabilized. This is happening in other cities as well as we see. It's happening in many towns/cities and thus the nation as a whole.

Our immigration policies were designed to be a slow process for several reasons ... a couple are to be able to "vet" those coming into the country and to also prevent destabilization. Americans are most open to migration (always have been) according to our in place nation's policies.

 

[Aldebaran]

What does this say about the work ethic of today's American worker?

You mean those who have to be paid a fair wage?
What happened to all that talk about how businesses are forcing people to work for slave wages, and how they should be put out of business as a result?
Oh well, maybe the Haitians will unionize when they figure out the Left-leaning American way of doing things. But if the Haitians are getting free housing, free food, free healthcare and free transportation anyway, they won't really mind not making wages that wouldn't normally give them a "living wage that allows them to live in dignity".

 

[wing2000]

You mean those who have to be paid a fair wage?

No, reliable workers.
I learned at an early age that if I wanted a pay raise, I first had to demonstrate that I was reliable and trustworthy.

What happened to all that talk about how businesses are forcing people to work for slave wages, and how they should be put out of business as a result?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the people talkng about slave wages.

Oh well, maybe the Haitians will unionize when they figure out the Left-leaning American way of doing things.

Or maybe by the 2nd or 3rd generation, the Hatians will aborb the American culture of entitlement.

But if the Haitians are getting free housing, free food, free healthcare and free transportation anyway, they won't really mind not making wages that wouldn't normally give them a "living wage that allows them to live in dignity".

*If*

 

[RoBo1988]

Sounds like "mass immigration and chain migration" are helping to revitalize Springfield's economy.



Ohio could raise the minimum wage...


Are Republicans now on board with unionization and high wages for low skill jobs?

Government supported NGO's are under - cutting locals with subsidized wages, and tenants are being evicted by landlords, who have a better offer from subsidized rents. Other than that, everything's fine in Springfield OH!

 

[rambot]

Just so I know is there a single citation foe any claim being made in the original article or anywhere in this thread?

I'm not following this too closely and now I'm curious.

 

[RoBo1988]

Just so I know is there a single citation foe any claim being made in the original article or anywhere in this thread?

I'm not following this too closely and now I'm curious.

I live within an hour of Springfield, and it goes a lot deeper than ' eating cats dogs and geese' .

The are small cities in Alabama and Pennsylvania(to name a few, I'm sure) that are experiencing similar things.

 

[RoBo1988]

What does this say about the work ethic of today's American worker?

That the federal government is not paying their wages and rents?

 

[rambot]

That the federal government is not paying their wages and rents?

I'd argue that perhaps the opiod epidemic did a bit of a number on Springfield.

Either way, what you're saying doesn't make sense. I'm pretty sure Democrats are communists so the government should be paying their wages and rent.

 

[RoBo1988]

I'd argue that perhaps the opiod epidemic did a bit of a number on Springfield.

And Logansport Indiana, Cherloi PA, Aurora CO, and hundreds of other small cities Harris administration has chosen to burden.

Either way, what you're saying doesn't make sense. I'm pretty sure Democrats are communists so the government should be paying their wages and rent.

If you're a landlord, or an employer, stressed by the Harris economy, and the government offers extra wages and rent money to pay certain employees versus the ones you already have; what choice would you make?

 

[doubtingmerle]

Vambram,

You raise some interesting issues. I am not sure of my answers, and I don't understand your answers. Does anybody here have answers? Perhaps we could talk.

First, we do have a problem, yes? Thousands of Haitian migrants have come to America and are gathered at our doorstep (Why are so many Haitians at the US-Mexico border?). They come because their country has been devastated by political turmoil and natural disasters. They have no place to go. They have no home, no place where they are welcome.

Now what do we do? I'm serious. What do you want us to do? You can condemn those who tried to do something about that problem, fine, but what would you do if you were making the decision? It is easy to criticize in the background, but do you have a better solution?

If you answer, perhaps your answer should consider the words that we Americans posted at our doorstep: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” (The Quote On The Statue Of Liberty (Give me your tired, your poor...)) When you give us your answer, can you please tell is if your answer is consistent with these words? If not, do you want us to remove these words?

Perhaps your answer should also consider the words of Jesus in Matthew 25:

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:​

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:​

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.​

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?​

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.​

When you give us your answer, can you please tell us if your answer is consistent with these words? If not, do you want us to remove these words?

See also :

What's particularly vexing is the U.S. government is funneling taxpayer money to non-governmental organizations (NGOs) who help resettle these immigrants and assist them in applying for welfare in the form of food stamps, Medicaid, and housing.

Ok, we have these tired huddled masses at our doorstep, and you find it particularly vexing that we are funneling money to them. Why do you find that vexing? Would Jesus find that vexing?

Do you also find it vexing that these people are in this desperate situation? You don't seem to have mentioned that point.

The Haitians that are here legally are here as Cuban/Haitian Entrants (CHE). As so, we entitle them to certain limited benefits. (https://refugees.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Practitioner-One-Sheet-Haitian-EntrantsFNL.pdf). They are not entitled to other benefits like long-term Medicaid or other programs. Do you think we are being too generous? If so, what would you recommend?

Coming from a country where the hourly wage is around 60 cents, any Haitian would be ecstatic about working in Ohio and earning a minimum wage of $10.45 an hour. Sadly, American workers can't compete for the jobs they're taking at those wages or survive at the resulting lower standards of living.

Ah, if people are paid too low of wages, then that makes it harder for other workers to find good paying jobs. So, do we raise the minimum wage?

Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

I can see the problem with using government programs in ways that benefit employers. The solution, however, is not easy. Do you have one?

 

[BCP1928]

Let's be clear about what's going on here: Corporations are maximizing their profits while the government is socializing the costs at the taxpayers' expense.

And they've been doing it for years, long before mass immigration. But I am astonished--I never thought I would hear a left-wing opinion like that from a conservative like you.