Six hostages brutally murdered by Hamas in Gaza, including Israeli-American Goldberg-Polin

[Postvieww]

Great, so we can stop with the subsidies?

Sure just join the rest of the world that is against Israel and see how that works out.

 

[Desk trauma]

Sure just join the rest of the world that is against Israel and see how that works out.

Not against them, just no longer subsidizing them.

 

[Postvieww]

Not against them, just no longer subsidizing them.

I can think of a lot more subsidies to cut first. Not supporting them is at least on some level being against them.

 

[Desk trauma]

I can think of a lot more subsidies to cut first.

They’re our largest recipient of foreign aid, and a wealth self sustaining country, what better place to start?

Not supporting them is at least on some level being against them.

It’s really not.

 

[Postvieww]

They’re our largest recipient of foreign aid, and a wealth self sustaining country, what better place to start?


It’s really not.

When most of world is against Israel it really is a very poor choice for us not to support them .

 

[Desk trauma]

When most of world is against Israel it really is a very poor choice for us not to support them .

You said there going to be ok regardless so why not save some money?

 

[Postvieww]

You said there going to be ok regardless so why not save some money?

Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I can think of a lot more subsidies to cut first. Not supporting them is at least on some level being against them.

Keeping in mind, Israel actually does have a budget surplus (and is able to provide service to their citizenry that we don't even get from our own government), so while I've provided plenty of nuanced defenses of Israel in this thread, the money aspect is one of the areas where I actually agree with some of the others.

We don't need to go into debt to provide blank checks to a country that has a healthy surplus.

If I had $1,000 of my own in cash (and my own credit cards that didn't currently have a balance on them), would it be right for me to ask you to use $1300 of your available credit line (when you're already in debt) to help me with a $1300 car repair? Or should I be using my $1000 and $300 on my own credit card first?

 

[Postvieww]

Keeping in mind, Israel actually does have a budget surplus (and is able to provide service to their citizenry that we don't even get from our own government), so while I've provided plenty of nuanced defenses of Israel in this thread, the money aspect is one of the areas where I actually agree with some of the others.

We don't need to go into debt to provide blank checks to a country that has a healthy surplus.

If I had $1,000 of my own in cash (and my own credit cards that didn't currently have a balance on them), would it be right for me to ask you to use $1300 of your available credit line (when you're already in debt) to help me with a $1300 car repair? Or should I be using my $1000 and $300 on my own credit card first?

You make good financial arguments but this country has not operated with physical responsibility in a very long time. If we can justify millions for Ukraine, cash for Iran and all of the many other foreign endeavors IMO any argument against support for Israel is hollow rhetoric. Kamala has now promised to sign a reparations bill, where will that come from? We can spend millions on freebies for illegal aliens but not support our friend in the Middle East, sorry I am not buying your argument.

 

[Desk trauma]

You make good financial arguments but this country has not operated with physical responsibility in a very long time. If we can justify millions for Ukraine, cash for Iran and all of the many other foreign endeavors IMO any argument against support for Israel is hollow rhetoric. Kamala has now promised to sign a reparations bill, where will that come from? We can spend millions on freebies for illegal aliens but not support our friend in the Middle East, sorry I am not buying your argument.

We don’t have a friend in the Middle East.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You make good financial arguments but this country has not operated with physical responsibility in a very long time. If we can justify millions for Ukraine, cash for Iran and all of the many other foreign endeavors IMO any argument against support for Israel is hollow rhetoric. Kamala has now promised to sign a reparations bill, where will that come from? We can spend millions on freebies for illegal aliens but not support our friend in the Middle East, sorry I am not buying your argument.

If Israel didn't have the financial ability to pay for their own stuff, then your rationale would make sense.

However, since they do, the financial aspect of their defense is currently a non-issue.

It's like someone asking others for help with their car insurance bill on their 2nd corvette because they don't want to sell the first one.

Asking someone else to borrow money to give to me, because I don't want to tap into my own liquid assets, isn't a good incentive structure to reinforce.

 

[Darktriad]

Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

A lot of people just hate the jews. And it's only gotten worse with young people where 1/5 say the holocaust is a myth.

 

[Postvieww]

A lot of people just hate the jews. And it's only gotten worse with young people where 1/5 say the holocaust is a myth.

Sad but true!

 

[Postvieww]

If Israel didn't have the financial ability to pay for their own stuff, then your rationale would make sense.

However, since they do, the financial aspect of their defense is currently a non-issue.

It's like someone asking others for help with their car insurance bill on their 2nd corvette because they don't want to sell the first one.

Asking someone else to borrow money to give to me, because I don't want to tap into my own liquid assets, isn't a good incentive structure to reinforce.

We have a 10 year agreement with Israel. We do give aid but they also BUY weapons from us. Write your congressman if you are dissatisfied. We NEED to help support Israel. Sorry you disagree but you are wrong.

 

[Pommer]

You make good financial arguments but this country has not operated with physical responsibility in a very long time. If we can justify millions for Ukraine, cash for Iran and all of the many other foreign endeavors IMO any argument against support for Israel is hollow rhetoric. Kamala has now promised to sign a reparations bill, where will that come from? We can spend millions on freebies for illegal aliens but not support our friend in the Middle East, sorry I am not buying your argument.

We’ve funded a good chunk of the world’s armies, it’s just coincidence that we have giant corporations who are excellent at manufacturing munitions.
Subsidizing the world’s armies is just “good capitalism”, ironically enough.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

We do give aid but they also BUY weapons from us. Write your congressman if you are dissatisfied. We NEED to help support Israel. Sorry you disagree but you are wrong.

I'm okay with supporting Israel for the reasons I've laid out earlier in the thread.

However, what you're describing isn't support, it's basically us just giving them weapons for free. If they're buying the weapons we made with the money we gave them, then that's just us giving them freebies.

I haven't suggested that we deny them arms sales or deny them operational intelligence assistance. If they have a budget surplus, why can't they purchase our weapons with their own money?

 

[Postvieww]

I'm okay with supporting Israel for the reasons I've laid out earlier in the thread.

However, what you're describing isn't support, it's basically us just giving them weapons for free. If they're buying the weapons we made with the money we gave them, then that's just us giving them freebies.

I haven't suggested that we deny them arms sales or deny them operational intelligence assistance. If they have a budget surplus, why can't they purchase our weapons with their own money?

Because we have 10 year agreement would be my guess.

 

[rjs330]

I'm okay with supporting Israel for the reasons I've laid out earlier in the thread.

However, what you're describing isn't support, it's basically us just giving them weapons for free. If they're buying the weapons we made with the money we gave them, then that's just us giving them freebies.

I haven't suggested that we deny them arms sales or deny them operational intelligence assistance. If they have a budget surplus, why can't they purchase our weapons with their own money?

It's my understanding that we give foreign aid to various countries. Usually in the form of money. Whether they are at war or not. If you ask.me they can use that money to buy whatever they need when they need it. Which would include weapons.

We should be more frugal with this and making sure they are spending their money first before we give them any more.

 

[MartyF]

You can take that up with the God of the Bible and creator of the universe. I believe according to scripture God has a very different opinion.

@Vambram @Danthemailman

No, he doesn't.

There Is one place I see the Israeli flag mentioned in the Bible and it is not good.

Acts 7:43 NLT
No, you carried your pagan gods- the shrine of Molech, the star of your god Rephan, and the images you made to worship them. So I will send you into exile as far away as Babylon.'

Jesus, my lord and savior, is rather explicit,

John 8:42-47 NLT
Jesus told them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me. [43] Why can't you understand what I am saying? It's because you can't even hear me! [44] For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. [45] So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don't believe me! [46] Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me? [47] Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don't listen because you don't belong to God."

Again in Revelation,

Revelation 2:9 NLT
"I know about your suffering and your poverty-but you are rich! I know the blasphemy of those opposing you. They say they are Jews, but they are not, because their synagogue belongs to Satan.

Revelation 3:9 NLT
Look, I will force those who belong to Satan's synagogue-those liars who say they are Jews but are not-to come and bow down at your feet. They will acknowledge that you are the ones I love.

Who are the heirs of Abraham's promise? Paul makes this explicit.

Galatians 3:16 NLT
God gave the promises to Abraham and his child. And notice that the Scripture doesn't say "to his children," as if it meant many descendants. Rather, it says "to his child"-and that, of course, means Christ.

Galatians 3:28-29 NLT
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God's promise to Abraham belongs to you.

According to Jesus and Paul, I am a child of Abraham and the "Jews" of Israel are not.

Israel and Israelis are not part of the promise.

Do you'all honestly believe that God will reward those who blaspheme his Son and say they would kill him again if given the chence and those who rob and murder followers of his Son?

Amazon.com

 

[MartyF]

You don't have to take just my word for it...

You're quoting a source which says it is unreliable.

Wikipedia:Don't cite Wikipedia on Wikipedia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'd respond but the links to the articles have already changed after a week. Try to do as Wikipedia suggests - read and quote the secondary sources. You may be surprised to find out they don't say what you think they do.

Or the Red Cross reports

No link - no reference. Not sure where your table comes from - Instagram?

Or, how about just actual pictures of it happening?

(children being bunched up near a mortar)

This is a link to the video of the picture you see.

Notice that in the background Bashar al Assad is being announced. This is Syria - not Gaza.

Why you would post a false picture in support of the murder of toddlers is beyond me.

(children and civilians on top of the building of the residence of a Hamas leader)

No, that's just people standing on a rooftop. The rest is conjecture, or considering your previous picture, a straight up fabrication.

But really? People standing on a roof is your best evidence?

Or how about Hamas's own words?
(per a report from NATO)

No link - lemme guess - Instagram?

Hamas MP Fathi Hamed stated that "For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel...the elderly excel at this...and so do the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children."[89] Following the release of the Goldstone Report, the former commander of the British forces in Afghanistan Colonel Richard Kemp was invited to testify at the UN Human Rights Council 12th Special Session that during Operation Cast Lead, Israel encountered an "enemy that deliberately positioned its military capability behind the human shield of the civilian population".[90]

More plagiarism from Wikipedia.

Still no evidence of Human Shields. Read the links. They don't say what you might think they say.

It's my understanding that the Jewish faith doesn't have the same concept of "Hell" as Christians do.

Your understanding is wrong.

You can read about it in the Talmud or in Jesus in the Talmud by Peter Schafer.

I'm not, I'm an atheist (per my profile indicator on the left hand side)

Your support of Israel makes sense then.

You are being redirected...
It would appear that 3/4 of Palestinians hold views about Jews that would be considered appalling if espoused by a right-wing entity in the US. And Palestinian leaders have repeatedly declined two-state offers, and Arafat in particular saying that "any peace talks are temporarily until the destruction of Israel can be realized"

I give you a link to a book by an Israeli Jewish Historian - You give me nada. No sources - just suppose to take the word of an Atheist.

How many times have two-state solutions been put on the table

Zero.

As has been repeatedly said when Zionists are trying to make another point, Palestinians have never had a chance to have an independent state.

Basically what you're proposing is that if Israel laid down its weapons and completely got out of Gaza, there would be no more war in the middle east?

No. Once again, you're not reading.

I said Israel is required by international law to vacate Gaza, East Jerusalem, the WestBank, and the Golan Heights. This includes all settlers and citizens. I never said anything about laying down weapons. They are more than welcome to keep their weapons.