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If Trump Loses, Elites Will Rule Unchallenged For Decades

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Becauae you are taking from people who.have and are giving it to people dont.

Out current tax system is Marxist because the top earners are paying most of the taxes while the low earners are paying zero.

That's how taxes have operated for most of modern history. And it's not a Marxist idea, progressive taxes pre-date Marx by about 600 years.

If you look at the history monetary systems in Western Europe, taxes were initially applied to a small, wealthy minority - predominately the nobility, landowners and certain types of merchants/traders. Hard numbers are difficult to come by, but this was probably no more than 15% to 20% of the population until the mid 1500s (with the exceptions of some Italian city states and the Spanish).

The tax base broadened as time progressed, but even then it was always the top earners who payed the most taxes, while the low earners paid less or zero.

The English poll taxes of the 1300s are a good example - the tax for richest in society was 1600 pence. This was graduated down to 160 pence for the nobility, clergy and certain individuals. Commoners paid MUCH less, somewhere between 1 and 4 pence. Those with no wealth ("actual beggars") paid no poll tax.

Income taxes in the modern sense were only applied at the start of the 1800s (about 20 years before Marx was born). The first English income taxes were progressive from the beginning, and were deliberately structured to pull much more heavily from the rich than they did from the commons. The poorest paid under 1% of their annual income, the richest paid about 10%.

The same is true in the US - the first income tax was only applicable to a wealthy minority (about 5-10% of the population)

A progressive flat tax does still penalized the rich to subsidize rhe have nots. A strict flat tax still takes more money from the haves than it does the have nots. Who would then benefit from that rich man's money. From each according to their ability to each according to his needs. It's all Marxist then.

You might want to do a little more research on that phrase before attributing it to Marx.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
 
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The American two-party system is built around the old British principle of a party of the “court” that is in power and a party of the “country” representing those who wish to replace those currently in office, not to overthrow them. A loyal opposition, which wishes to extract concessions or shift the balance of power within the system, is tolerated. A revolutionary opposition, which threatens to shake up the entire system, is not tolerated. Candidates with the support of only a minority of the American elite such as Richard Nixon, Teddy Roosevelt, or Ronald Reagan, are tolerated, though often undermined. Those who are viewed as a threat to the entire system – i.e., Donald Trump – are a different matter.

Since the founding of the United States, a loose alignment of professionals, businessman, politicians, and local elites who hold social power has proved remarkably effective at uniting to prevent candidates who do not accept the premises of the system, or, more often, do not understand them, from reaching the presidency. From Alexander Hamilton to Patrick Henry, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, and Ross Perot, these candidates are isolated and painted as a danger.

Occasionally, however, they will win a major party nomination. That happened in 1896 when Williams Jennings Bryan captured the Democratic nomination and in 1964 when Barry Goldwater won the Republican nod. In both cases, the candidates found themselves crushed under the weight of a financial and social mobilization unprecedented for decades.

This was precisely what was supposed to happen in 2016 when Donald Trump won the Republican nomination. Had the 2016 election resulted in the expected victory for Hillary Clinton, voters would have been reminded that going against the preferences of college-educated professionals is fatal.

Democrats, too, would have been reminded that with the support of that constituency, a candidate as flawed as Hillary Clinton can become president. The Republican Party would have obediently nominated a moderate, pro-business, pro-establishment candidate in 2020, and by strategically swinging between the two parties, white college graduates would have maintained their control of both.

That is not what happened. Donald Trump won, and in doing so, he risked doing something more. If he showed that it was possible to win without the approval of elites, then it was possible politics would polarize along educational lines. If he succeeded in winning again after having done so, it would potentially break their power permanently.

I think that I understand what you are asserting.

But, I think that sorting Trump into the "un-elete" is a mistake.

Trump is part of the financially elite.
He is not at all part of the average "common man" America.

Also, the use of "elite" as an insulting term, I think is biased.
Those who are well educated, and have a good sense of the history
of America, and democratic freedoms, could easily be called "elite".
In this sense, it is probably much better for the elete in America, to
heavily make up the class of professional leaders, than uneducated
populists.

I think that the basic terminology in the post, doesn't really reflect
traditional American values, of education, and service to one's country
(by the "elite").
 
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Not much different than the Democrats hair on fire over project 2025
Nah, there's actual evidence for the claims about project 2025 :

Trump took the flight to speak at a Heritage Foundation conference, where he said, “They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do."
But thanks for the attempt at a diversion, even if it does lead directly to evidence that one of the candidates isn't telling the truth about his policy goals.
 
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I don't like some of the things fs he's done and said either. But then I don't like Harris either or Walz for the things they've said and done. But people woul have to deaf dumb or blind not to see the vitriol and hatred the left has for him including the news media.

Perhaps a bit of ill will towards a guy under federal indictment for his attempt to reverse an election he lost might be understandable.

I get the idea is to make it look like the majority of voters not choosing him is based on some sort of quibbling about his personality, but if one looks at the real reasons for disliking him as a candidate it becomes much less some sort of weird conspiracy against him and more just a normal reaction to a guy who has some pretty serious disqualifiers for holding public office.
 
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yes and they all lean liberal left...it is not "moderation" it is censorship...and the Biden/Harris administration pressured for it...not so silly...
And the Trump admin did exactly the same thing. The point? Who knows, but as long as a post can throw in liberal or left into a talking point it is fair game.
 
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I hope Trump wins cus if he doesn't you may have this to look forward to;

 
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I hope Trump wins cus if he doesn't you may have this to look forward to;


Right...because saving lives is so wrong. Never got most americans idea of freedom meaning let more people die. Your righs end where mine begin. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, your right to get sick ends where it makes otehrs sick.
 
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I hope Trump wins cus if he doesn't you may have this to look forward to;

Is that supposed to be negative?
 
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Right...because saving lives is so wrong. Never got most americans idea of freedom meaning let more people die. Your righs end where mine begin. Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, your right to get sick ends where it makes otehrs sick.

I won't derail this thread by giving my views on the covid vaccines.
 
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