If Trump Loses, Elites Will Rule Unchallenged For Decades

[iluvatar5150]

You cannot just repeat unsubstantiated claims.

lol, that is the dream, isn't it?

 

[rjs330]

How is taxation in principle Marxist?

Becauae you are taking from people who.have and are giving it to people dont.

Out current tax system is Marxist because the top earners are paying most of the taxes while the low earners are paying zero.

A progressive flat tax does still penalized the rich to subsidize rhe have nots.

A strict flat tax still takes more money from the haves than it does the have nots. Who would then benefit from that rich man's money.

From each according to their ability to each according to his needs. It's all Marxist then.

 

[rjs330]

You really can't conceive of the idea that people don't like Donald Trump because of the things he says and does can you?

I don't like some of the things fs he's done and said either. But then I don't like Harris either or Walz for the things they've said and done. But people woul have to deaf dumb or blind not to see the vitriol and hatred the left has for him including the news media. I mean I've been watching a lot of rhe news and there has been NOTHING from the media regarding the assassination attempt on the man. If that would have been Harris? We wouldn't hear the end of it.

Every single.word the man says is scrutinized by the left and it's media. Meanwhile Harris gets nothing. Her 16 minute interview had enough there that the media could be all over her for things and we get crickets. If Trump.answered questions like she did, they wouldn't have left him alone.

They have lied about him and twisted things he said, taken things out of context etc in order to.make him.worse.
Yes he has said STOOOOPID things at times. So.has Harris and Biden. But they get the kid glove treatment while Trump gets the sledgehammer.

And then the evil deep state media machine came in and poisoned everyone's minds with, I don't know, footage of him speaking?

Yes rhe deep state and media most certainly have been involved with trying to.poison people's minds. With not just him speaking, but snipping things out of context to portray him in the light they want. How long did we hear about the collusion with Russia. Or people being shocked and aghast over Ukrain while Biden dis the exact same thing with crickets from the left and the media. Flat out lying about the things he said.

What's weird is people still believe the media when it comes to some of this. What's weird is the pure hatred of this man that has lasted so long. Even after he was voted out if office. They couldn't leave him alone. That's weird.

 

[stevil]

One third of Biden supporters said Trump staged his own shooting.

If that is true, they are wrong. I haven't heard anyone on this forum here claiming that Trump staged his shooting.

That many Harris supporters would be willing to vote that the 2016 election was stolen by Russia.

I think you are imagining this.

 

[loveofourlord]

He was shot by a guy that donated to Democrats. And a DEI secret service with members too short to protect anyone from bullets let it happen. If he died in the shooting many people even in congress would likely consider the head of secret service guilty of treason. It's very likely to happen again if Harris doesn't win.

You didn't even bother addressing what Hillary did because you know she's the one that actually started the loud "election stolen" cry with the demands for recounts. Her claims caused a lot of democrats to think the Russian's hacked the vote count directly. I know of at least one IRL that thought that for a while.

More deflection does not help your case. Hillary traded info with overseas agents as well and paid them for information.

he went to a shooting club where secret service rarly went too with thousands of none secret ser4vice agents, that doesn't make him an agent, and you don't think they do a better job covering it up? Stop listening to alex jones and his lies.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

This is so very silly.

We all know Facebook, Twitter, and pretty much all other social media and even including this forum right here, have rules and do moderation. It is completely normal.

yes and they all lean liberal left...it is not "moderation" it is censorship...and the Biden/Harris administration pressured for it...not so silly...

 

[stevil]

yes and they all lean liberal left...it is not "moderation" it is censorship...and the Biden/Harris administration pressured for it...not so silly...

Any responsible government would have tried to work with social media sites to try and limit misinformation during a global deadly pandemic.
Their efforts were to save lives, not to win political points.

 

[BPPLEE]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/video/russia-2024-election-interference-merrick-garland-doj-digvid

They are laying the groundwork. If Trump wins the DOJ is going to claim that the Russians hacked the voting machines and stole the election for Trump

 

[Yttrium]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/video/russia-2024-election-interference-merrick-garland-doj-digvid

They are laying the groundwork. If Trump wins the DOJ is going to claim that the Russians hacked the voting machines and stole the election for Trump

No, it isn't. They're talking about the typical Russian election interference that happens every election. Russia is big on spreading propaganda. They're not talking about hacking election machines or performing other kinds of ballot fraud.

But I'll tell ya what. If Trump wins, I'll happily denounce anyone who claims the election was stolen.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[Hans Blaster]

No, it isn't. They're talking about the typical Russian election interference that happens every election. Russia is big on spreading propaganda. They're not talking about hacking election machines or performing other kinds of ballot fraud.

Not so much every election. Russia really did shift their strategies around 2013 and started to strongly feature social media, going all in on misinformation on Facebook and Twitter. This was accelerated by the rejection of the Putin's presidential puppet in Ukraine to which Putin's response was invasion of Crimea and then the Donbas.

 

[stevil]

Not so much every election. Russia really did shift their strategies around 2013 and started to strongly feature social media, going all in on misinformation on Facebook and Twitter. This was accelerated by the rejection of the Putin's presidential puppet in Ukraine to which Putin's response was invasion of Crimea and then the Donbas.

It's only been the innuendo of people like Lindell and Powell that have been saying that the voting machines have been hacked.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Any responsible government would have tried to work with social media sites to try and limit misinformation during a global deadly pandemic.
Their efforts were to save lives, not to win political points.

So why would Zuckerberg even say anything then? "Work with" is quite different than "pressured". Now we also have Alexa from Amazon promoting Harris... Vinay Menon: Amazon says it was an ‘error’ for Alexa to favour Kamala Harris. But this was no mistake

 

[BPPLEE]

No, it isn't. They're talking about the typical Russian election interference that happens every election. Russia is big on spreading propaganda. They're not talking about hacking election machines or performing other kinds of ballot fraud.

But I'll tell ya what. If Trump wins, I'll happily denounce anyone who claims the election was stolen.

Get ready to be busy

 

[Hans Blaster]

It's only been the innuendo of people like Lindell and Powell that have been saying that the voting machines have been hacked.

They have made those baseless claims, which is why one is broke and the other disbarred. What does that have to do with Russian election interference?

 

[stevil]

So why would Zuckerberg even say anything then? "Work with" is quite different than "pressured".

I pressume he is doing damage control from the perspective of his company. Saying he was pressured, relaxes some of the criticism on him.

If he says he was pressured, it would be interesting to understand better what he means by "pressure".
Were there threats, was there coercion?
What would have been the consequence on him and his company if he didn't comply?

 

[Richard T]

Yes that's always a problem. I'd also be for a graduated flat tax. The lower income pays less, but they still pay, while the higher incomes pay more.

Hey we could all do what the nordic countries do and pay 48% of our income in taxes. Everyone would be happy then.

Yes, I imagine alot of that is the health care cost differences between the USA and Nordic nations. Countries With The Most Physicians Per Capita This shows that Sweden has 5 MD per 1000 people, versus the US at 2.5 per 1000.
I have been advocating more medical schools and residencies in the USA for years. We turn away thousands of very qualified people that apply for med schools. My understanding is that the AMA and others lobby against expansion.

There are many other things the USA could do to reform the system, but it will be hard since so many are dependent on government monies.

The pension system in Sweden earned 9% on its money. In the USA they give the SS plan an average rate of return based on US government debt. They do not even bother actually selling the bonds, but instead just give an IOU. That is pitiful. The Swedish system looks great compared to the USA.

The sad thing is that no one in the USA seems to care. Personality here is better than substance for any politician.

 

[Richard T]

lol wut? He's not a member of the "power elite"? He's a billionaire real estate mogul, reality tv star and former president, who controls one of the two major political parties (such that he installed his own daughter-in-law as its chair) and has roughly 40% of the country eating out of the palm of his hand. He convinced thousands of people to attempt to steal an election. How is that not at the upper echelons of the "power elite"? If he wasn't so temperamental and undisciplined, he'd be the closest thing to an autocrat we've ever had. He may not be a part of the cultural or societal elite, but the notion that he doesn't wield immense power is ludicrous.

Yes, he has all of that no doubt, but he is not part of the main group. I am not sure how much power he had. He did what he could but the most lasting thing was his SC justice selections. If he fails to get elected, then what? Could be he is a one man show that will never be in office again? Some ideas will live on but most of the good ones were Reagan's, though Trump's tariffs were outstanding.
The other groups of power elites own the political infrastructure and have it staffed with their cronies. Trump has very little of that. It is not even close. DJT stock shows how elite Trump is. If he were a power elite, the other members would have pushed others out of the way so that a corporation like this would be successful. Instead it looks like it will go bankrupt.
The other thing that a true power elite has is a detailed policy agenda. The weakness of the project 2025 shows a huge lack.
I prefer Trump but just want to give what I feel is a realistic perspective that the main power elites are far more entrenched, funded, global and have lasted for centuries. Trump is not even close.

 

[stevil]

The other thing that a true power elite has is a detailed policy agenda.

Anyone running for presidency, should have a detailed policy agenda. They shouldn't just be winging it.
You don't have to be an elite to work through and understand your policies.
People voting should demand that the candidate have detailed policies.

 

[rjs330]

Yes, I imagine alot of that is the health care cost differences between the USA and Nordic nations. Countries With The Most Physicians Per Capita This shows that Sweden has 5 MD per 1000 people, versus the US at 2.5 per 1000.
I have been advocating more medical schools and residencies in the USA for years. We turn away thousands of very qualified people that apply for med schools. My understanding is that the AMA and others lobby against expansion.

There are many other things the USA could do to reform the system, but it will be hard since so many are dependent on government monies.

The pension system in Sweden earned 9% on its money. In the USA they give the SS plan an average rate of return based on US government debt. They do not even bother actually selling the bonds, but instead just give an IOU. That is pitiful. The Swedish system looks great compared to the USA.

The sad thing is that no one in the USA seems to care. Personality here is better than substance for any politician.

Just curious, how does Swedish system get 9% on its pension system?