Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Strong in Him]

We don't know that there is & to be quite honest I reckon this final experiment is going to be fraudulent one.

Of course you do.
Even though you, sometimes, seem open to the possibility of a globe earth, you have already insisted that nothing will ever change your flat earth belief.
Although, in your own words, flat earth is not important.

My strongest arguments is the fact that water always finds it's own level plus the fact that we don't feel the earth move.

Sorry, but I'd say those are very weak arguments.
I couldn't feel the London Eye move when I was on it. I could see the evidence that we were moving because we were getting higher and could eventually see over London. I know it was moving a lot slower than the earth is rotating - but then it's also a lot, lot smaller.

We can't feel the earth rotating because it is so large. We can see evidence that it is rotating because we have day and night.

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course you do.
Even though you, sometimes, seem open to the possibility of a globe earth, you have already insisted that nothing will ever change your flat earth belief.
Although, in your own words, flat earth is not important.

Sorry, but I'd say those are very weak arguments.
I couldn't feel the London Eye move when I was on it. I could see the evidence that we were moving because we were getting higher and could eventually see over London. I know it was moving a lot slower than the earth is rotating - but then it's also a lot, lot smaller.

We can't feel the earth rotating because it is so large. We can see evidence that it is rotating because we have day and night.

Okay, but what about water finding it's own level ?

 

[Phil G]

We don't know that there is & to be quite honest I reckon this final experiment is going to be fraudulent one.



My strongest arguments is the fact that water always finds it's own level plus the fact that we don't feel the earth move.

Your first statement is a presupposition. "We don't know that there is" really means "I haven't looked or believed the evidence". And how can you say that the final experiment will be a fraudulent one? That's just your bias speaking.

Your second statement ignores the evidence that water is subject to gravity, such is in the video below where water is poured, drunk, and held in a container while a plane turns upside down & back again. This is possible by the force of gravity.

 

[Strong in Him]

Okay, but what about water finding it's own level ?

I've already said; I am not a scientist so I don't know.
I'm sure that there are people here who do know, and it's easy to Google it.

 

[Phil G]

I'm with @d taylor when it comes to a level earth, I don't think I will ever get my a head around that the earth is orbiting the sun.

Here's another piece of evidence, a time lapse video of a full moon setting over the sea. There is no evidence that it has gotten so small that it can be zoomed back into view again. It has gone below the horizon. This is something you can verify for yourself, if you have access to a powerful pair of binoculars for example. Go to the coast where you can have a view of moonset on a clear night at moonset time (preferably when the moon is full). As you see the moon sink with your unaided eyes and say half of it goes below the horizon, try to zoom in that bottom half again with the binoculars. You won't be able to.

 

[Phil G]

I'm with @d taylor when it comes to a level earth, I don't think I will ever get my a head around that the earth is orbiting the sun.

Your CF signature currently has this statement in it "The truth does not fear investigation.". Yet you do not seem to investigate the true shape of the earth to any great degree. It seems you draw a blank when you go anywhere beyond the teachings of the likes of Dean Odle or Rob Skiba and revert straight back to them again when you "can't get your head around" anything to do with a spherical earth. That's an indication of addiction, or at least indoctrination.

 

[d taylor]

I'm sorry; I know I had left this thread, and more fool me for looking at it. But this is a ridiculous statement - not to mention a goading/flaming one.
You are accusing fellow Christians of changing God's word to make it fit our beliefs, and your "proof" is Jesus' words about the stars falling from the sky.
Jesus said the stars will fall from the sky so the stars will fall from the sky. Whatever that means, and whenever it happens, it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

Accusing your brothers and sisters in Christ of changing God's word, is serious.

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So Jesus speaking privately to His disciples and answering questions about “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

And you are going to say about given information (teachings) Jesus states about His return. That Jesus is speaking to people who would have seen a night sky that was full of stars (unlike what we see now). So Jesus states to people who see stars at night and understand that stars are up in the sky, The stars will fall from the sky (heaven).

And you will sit there and say whatever that means. Not because you would have reason from The Bible to make that statement about what Jesus said. No, it is because science has drilled into your mind that stars are actual suns billions of miles and light years away from earth.

Why not say the same about this statement made by Jesus.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Do you also say whatever that means also.

 

[Strong in Him]

And you will sit there and say whatever that means. Not because you would have reason from The Bible to make that statement about what Jesus said. No, it is because science has drilled into your mind that stars are actual suns billions of miles and light years away from earth.

I said "whatever that means" because I had not looked the passage up, nor read it in context.
It's about reading the passage in context, trying to understand it and applying it with wisdom - not about "science drilling it into my mind."

So please can you stop telling me what I think and believe and cut out the accusations of "changing the text"?

 

[Apple Sky]

I've already said; I am not a scientist so I don't know.
I'm sure that there are people here who do know, and it's easy to Google it.

Fair enough.

 

[d taylor]

I said "whatever that means" because I had not looked the passage up, nor read it in context.
It's about reading the passage in context, trying to understand it and applying it with wisdom - not about "science drilling it into my mind."

So please can you stop telling me what I think and believe and cut out the accusations of "changing the text"?

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If you are going to participate in a Biblical debate and not be prepared to understand parts of The Bible being addressed. Then do not blame me for your lack of preparedness.

 

[Phil G]

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So Jesus speaking privately to His disciples and answering questions about “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

And you are going to say about given information (teachings) Jesus states about His return. That Jesus is speaking to people who would have seen a night sky that was full of stars (unlike what we see now). So Jesus states to people who see stars at night and understand that stars are up in the sky, The stars will fall from the sky (heaven).

And you will sit there and say whatever that means. Not because you would have reason from The Bible to make that statement about what Jesus said. No, it is because science has drilled into your mind that stars are actual suns billions of miles and light years away from earth.

Why not say the same about this statement made by Jesus.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Do you also say whatever that means also.

I notice your deflection from your accusations against Bible translators being complicit in a conspiracy to cover up a flat earth cosmology. Such an accusation exposes your attitude towards other believers who disagree with you. Frankly I'm disgusted that such an accusation would be made by another Christian.

 

[Apple Sky]

And how can you say that the final experiment will be a fraudulent one? That's just your bias speaking.

Not only mine;

 

[Phil G]

Not only mine;

Currently there are 3 flat earthers who are prepared to go to Antarctica in December. Are you going to call the results a fraud if they verify 24 hour daylight there?

It seems flat earthers are turning on each other now.

The Final Experiment - Antarctica

The Final Experiment | Antarctica Expedition to End the Flat vs. Globe Earth Debate

www.the-final-experiment.com

 

[Apple Sky]

Currently there are 3 flat earthers who are prepared to go to Antarctica in December. Are you going to call the results a fraud if they verify 24 hour daylight there?

It depends on who these flat earthers are.

 

[Phil G]

It depends on who these flat earthers are.

And there you go, that's your bias again. You won't even take the word of flat earthers, they have to be the 'right' flat earthers. Will you listen to yourself?

 

[Strong in Him]

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If you are going to participate in a Biblical debate and not be prepared to understand parts of The Bible being addressed. Then do not blame me for your lack of preparedness.

As far as I'm aware, this isn't a Biblical debate.
It's a discussion, in the Conspiracy theories section of the forum, about the shape of the earth - a topic which is not addressed in the Bible and does not affect the faith, or salvation, in any way.

I wasn't blaming you that I hadn't read the Scripture - I was commenting on your judgement that globe earth Christians change the Scriptures.

 

[Apple Sky]

And there you go, that's your bias again. You won't even take the word of flat earthers, they have to be the 'right' flat earthers. Will you listen to yourself?

There are many government paid pretend flatearthers (shills) out there, so discernment is key.

And before you ask how do I know who's who, Mathew 7:20

King James Bible
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[Phil G]

There are many government paid pretend flatearthers (shills) out there, so discernment is key.

And before you ask how do I know who's who, Mathew 7:20

King James Bible
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Try "investigating"!! You do everything you can to put up obstacles. It's no wonder you can't get your head around a globe earth. You won't give it a chance to change your mind. And in you go into your conspiracy theory addiction again, "government paid pretend flatearthers" is a cop out and you know it. That's Eric Dubay territory.

Here's the list so far:

TFE Participants

The Final Experiment

www.the-final-experiment.com

When reality contradicts what you think God is saying, God is not saying it.

 

[Apple Sky]

Try "investigating"!! You do everything you can to put up obstacles. It's no wonder you can't get your head around a globe earth. You won't give it a chance to change your mind. And in you go into your conspiracy theory addiction again, "government paid pretend flatearthers" is a cop out and you know it. That's Eric Dubay territory.

Here's the list so far:

TFE Participants

The Final Experiment

www.the-final-experiment.com

First of all I couldn't find any flat earth videos by 'Kingdom In Context'

Never heard of Witsit 'Gets It'

I know of Jeranism but then again I'm a not sure about him, but saying this I did find this interesting video on his channel.

 

[Phil G]

First of all I couldn't find any flat earth videos by 'Kingdom In Context'

Never heard of Witsit 'Gets It'

I know of Jeranism but then again I'm a not sure about him.

Here's an example of each of the two you apparently don't know. I don't agree with them but they are flat earth videos.

And this:

At some point you can't deny reality. When reality contradicts what you think God is saying, God is not saying it.