Migrant making up to 75% of arrests Midtown as sanctuary city laws handcuff cops

[Valletta]

Exclusive | Migrants flooding NYC’s justice system — making up ‘75% of arrests in Midtown’ — as ‘pathetic’ sanctuary city laws handcuff cops

“The sanctuary city law is pathetic. It’s disgusting. It’s crazy,” Jim Quinn, a veteran ex prosecutor at the Queens Districts Attorney’s office, told The Post.

nypost.com

All so that we will be a one-party state.

 

[Bradskii]

From the link:

'However, the spokesperson also noted, “Police officers are prohibited from asking about the immigration status of crime victims, witnesses, or suspects and therefore the NYPD doesn’t track data pertaining to immigration statuses.”

As a result, the only people who have a full understanding of the scale of the problem are the police officers and court workers who see it day in, day out.

“I would say about 75% of the arrests in Midtown Manhattan are migrants, mostly for robberies, assaults, domestic incidents and selling counterfeit items,” a Midtown officer said.

He said the figure is an estimate because “you can’t be 100% sure [they’re migrants] unless you arrest them in a shelter or they’re dumb enough to give you a shelter address.”

The first two paragraphs contradict each other. And the second is a single quote from a single officer which includes 'I would say...' and 'the figure is an estimate...' and ' you can't be 100% sure...'

So someone talked to one unamed source and with no back up quotes or figures or anything you'd normally associate with journalism, they have a headline? Talking of figures, I did what the patently useless NYP didn't do and dug some up. From here: Debunking the Myth of the ‘Migrant Crime Wave’

'For example, one study found that undocumented immigrants are 33 percent less likely to be incarcerated than people born in the United States. Indications of a negative relationship between immigration and crime also emerge when looking at conviction rates. In a Texas study, undocumented immigrants were found to be 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime in 2017 than native-born Americans. More recently, a study looked at census data over a 150-year period; since 1870, incarceration rates of immigrants are actually slightly lower than U.S.-born people and that gap widens in recent years with immigrants 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify the situation.

 

[Valletta]

From the link:

'However, the spokesperson also noted, “Police officers are prohibited from asking about the immigration status of crime victims, witnesses, or suspects and therefore the NYPD doesn’t track data pertaining to immigration statuses.”

As a result, the only people who have a full understanding of the scale of the problem are the police officers and court workers who see it day in, day out.

“I would say about 75% of the arrests in Midtown Manhattan are migrants, mostly for robberies, assaults, domestic incidents and selling counterfeit items,” a Midtown officer said.

He said the figure is an estimate because “you can’t be 100% sure [they’re migrants] unless you arrest them in a shelter or they’re dumb enough to give you a shelter address.”

The first two paragraphs contradict each other. And the second is a single quote from a single officer which includes 'I would say...' and 'the figure is an estimate...' and ' you can't be 100% sure...'

So someone talked to one unamed source and with no back up quotes or figures or anything you'd normally associate with journalism, they have a headline? Talking of figures, I did what the patently useless NYP didn't do and dug some up. From here: Debunking the Myth of the ‘Migrant Crime Wave’

'For example, one study found that undocumented immigrants are 33 percent less likely to be incarcerated than people born in the United States. Indications of a negative relationship between immigration and crime also emerge when looking at conviction rates. In a Texas study, undocumented immigrants were found to be 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime in 2017 than native-born Americans. More recently, a study looked at census data over a 150-year period; since 1870, incarceration rates of immigrants are actually slightly lower than U.S.-born people and that gap widens in recent years with immigrants 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify the situation.

The fact is there are plenty of "immigrants" committing serious crimes.

 

[Bradskii]

The fact is there are plenty of "immigrants" committing serious crimes.

Well, yeah. But much less than those born in the US. It's plainly obvious that immigration decreases the crime rate. The country Is becoming safer. If you want proof, then there are plenty of facts, figures and charts for you to look at here: 2024 Current State of the Union: US Crime, Police, and Prisons

That puff piece in the NYP is just them trying to convince people otherwise. Maybe the people who believe it don't bother checking. Luckily we do.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Exclusive | Migrants flooding NYC’s justice system — making up ‘75% of arrests in Midtown’ — as ‘pathetic’ sanctuary city laws handcuff cops

“The sanctuary city law is pathetic. It’s disgusting. It’s crazy,” Jim Quinn, a veteran ex prosecutor at the Queens Districts Attorney’s office, told The Post.

nypost.com

All so that we will be a one-party state.

Apparently, if illegals were all deported, the Democratic Party would lose somewhere between 20-30 seats.

I can still recall back in 2016, when a guy floated the idea that these nations weren't sending their best....that criminals were being sent....was considered a bigoted thing to claim.

FOIA allows every citizen to access voter rolls in their state....often both what party they registered under, and their addresses. Perhaps Queens residents can send out flyers to the migrant camps of the voters who demanded they be let into the US...so they can thank them.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well, yeah. But much less than those born in the US. It's plainly obvious that immigration decreases the crime rate. The country Is becoming safer.

Not according to the facts.

There's roughly 40% less police stations reporting crime to the FBI.

Besides....crime is only dropping compared to 2021 when Biden first took office, even your link admits it.

[COLOR=rgba(66,66,66,var(--text-opacity))]The firearm death rate dropped to 14.5 deaths per 100,000 people in 2022, but remained higher than any year from 1999 to 2020. [/COLOR]

The number of gun deaths is higher than any year in the past two decades with the only exception being earlier in the Biden administration. Crime is up under Biden compared to everyone all the way back to GW Bush.

 

[Gene2memE]

Apparently, if illegals were all deported, the Democratic Party would lose somewhere between 20-30 seats.

Citation needed.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Citation needed.

Why? You don't believe it?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Why? You don't believe it?

It seems pretty unlikely given that the average house district has about 765,000 people and there are estimated to be about 11 million illegals in the country (i.e. about 14.4 districts worth of people), distributed across a range of blue and red districts.

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

From 2019-2022, Florida also had the most growth in its illegal population by a factor of nearly 5x over #2 Texas.

 

[Gene2memE]

Why? You don't believe it?

Apparently, no I don't.

From my understanding, non-citizen voting in US federal elections is incredibly rare. And voting by undocumented immigrants, who are a sub-set of non-citizens residing within the US, is even rarer still.

Take the example of Ohio.

In late August the Secretary of State made a big hooplah that his office had found 597 non-citizens who had attempted to register to vote (148 in 2022, 117 in 2021 and 354 in 2019). He also referred 138 cases of non-citizen voting to the state Attorney General for investigation and/or prosecution.

Yet, of those 138 cases of "non-citizen voting" it's already been shown that there are multiple cases where the SOS' audit was getting false positives, because it was operating on faulty assumptions. In a number of cases, it flagged naturalised citizens who had legitimately voted but hadn't filed anything with the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles within a set time period.

The same Ohio Secretary of State previously referred 641 cases of voter fraud between 2019 and late 2023 to the state AG. 18 resulted in prosecutions. The number of non-citizens found to be voting in those cases was ONE. In that case, it was a man who was adopted by a US couple as a toddler and had lived in the US for better than 45 years. He admitted he knew he wasn't a citizen, and even ticked that box on his voter registration, but voted in 2014 and 2016 anyway.

Of the 14.7 million ballots in various elections in Ohio up to 2022, there has been one documented case of a non-citizen voter and zero cases of "illegals" voting.

So, no, I don't believe that if illegal immigrants were deported from the US it would alter the electoral map by 20 to 30 seats. I don't believe it would change a single seat.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Apparently, no I don't.

From my understanding, non-citizen voting in US federal elections is incredibly rare. And voting by undocumented immigrants, who are a sub-set of non-citizens residing within the US, is even rarer still.

Take the example of Ohio.

In late August the Secretary of State made a big hooplah that his office had found 597 non-citizens who had attempted to register to vote (148 in 2022, 117 in 2021 and 354 in 2019). He also referred 138 cases of non-citizen voting to the state Attorney General for investigation and/or prosecution.

Yet, of those 138 cases of "non-citizen voting" it's already been shown that there are multiple cases where the SOS' audit was getting false positives, because it was operating on faulty assumptions. In a number of cases, it flagged naturalised citizens who had legitimately voted but hadn't filed anything with the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles within a set time period.

The same Ohio Secretary of State previously referred 641 cases of voter fraud between 2019 and late 2023 to the state AG. 18 resulted in prosecutions. The number of non-citizens found to be voting in those cases was ONE. In that case, it was a man who was adopted by a US couple as a toddler and had lived in the US for better than 45 years. He admitted he knew he wasn't a citizen, and even ticked that box on his voter registration, but voted in 2014 and 2016 anyway.

Of the 14.7 million ballots in various elections in Ohio up to 2022, there has been one documented case of a non-citizen voter and zero cases of "illegals" voting.

So, no, I don't believe that if illegal immigrants were deported from the US it would alter the electoral map by 20 to 30 seats. I don't believe it would change a single seat.

While illegals may not vote much, they are counted for the census, which is what guides the drawing of congressional districts. Getting rid of all of them could certainly have some impact on the balance in the House. A swing of 20-30 seems extremely unlikely, though.

 

[Laodicean60]

Then you have this. I bet most of these people were asylum seekers.

https://kdvr.com/news/local/video-shows-group-of-men-carrying-guns-at-troubled-aurora-apartment-complex/

 

[comana]

Then you have this. I bet most of these people were asylum seekers.

https://kdvr.com/news/local/video-shows-group-of-men-carrying-guns-at-troubled-aurora-apartment-complex/

Which people are you referring to? The residents who were recently evicted by the city because the landlord is a known slumlord who let the building fall into serious disrepair?

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-immigrants-aurora-colorado-police-37acd4e064347d51808cb244117ac21e

 

[Laodicean60]

Which people are you referring to? The residents who were recently evicted by the city because the landlord is a known slumlord who let the building fall into serious disrepair?

https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-immigrants-aurora-colorado-police-37acd4e064347d51808cb244117ac21e

It's about the asylum gang members! Why would Aurora need a special task force to address the TdA gang? Who cares about slum lord it is about the gang. There are members of TdA all across the country.

Full statement from the City of Aurora:

"The city and Aurora Police Department, as we previously stated, established a special task force in collaboration with other local, state and federal partners to specifically address concerns about Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua (TdA) and other criminal activity affecting migrant communities. We are grateful that the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), a valuable federal partner, has acknowledged its ongoing work into TdA across the metro and appreciate the additional resources it provides to combat this issue.

We are aware that components of TdA are operating in Aurora. APD has been increasingly collecting evidence to show the gang is connected to crimes in the area. However, as we have said previously and as the DEA similarly stated, it would be improper at this time for the city and APD to make any conclusory statements about specific incidents or provide details about law enforcement strategy and operations.

Based on our initial investigative work, we believe reports of TdA influence in Aurora are isolated. We urge all community members, including members of our migrant communities, to please report crimes committed against them to their local law enforcement agencies and not remain silent victims. Crime victims can report crimes anonymously by calling Metro Denver Crime Stoppers at 720.913.STOP (7867).

As always, information could change as the investigations continue at the local, state and federal levels."

"DEA Rocky Mountain Field Division Special Agent in Charge Jonathan Pullen said the DEA's focus is on organizations that are trafficking fentanyl into the country. In recent months, DEA agents have seized "multi-kilogram quantities of fentanyl destined for the Denver-Metro area" from members and/or associates of TdA, according to Pullen."

Tren de Aragua 'components' operating in Aurora but 'reports of TdA influence' are isolated, city says

In a new statement, the City of Aurora on Wednesday confirmed "components" of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua (TdA) are operating in Aurora but said "reports of TdA influence... are isolated."

www.denver7.com

 

[comana]

It's about the asylum gang members! Why would Aurora need a special task force to address the TdA gang? Who cares about slum lord it is about the gang. There are members of TdA all across the country.

Full statement from the City of Aurora:

"The city and Aurora Police Department, as we previously stated, established a special task force in collaboration with other local, state and federal partners to specifically address concerns about Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua (TdA) and other criminal activity affecting migrant communities. We are grateful that the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), a valuable federal partner, has acknowledged its ongoing work into TdA across the metro and appreciate the additional resources it provides to combat this issue.

We are aware that components of TdA are operating in Aurora. APD has been increasingly collecting evidence to show the gang is connected to crimes in the area. However, as we have said previously and as the DEA similarly stated, it would be improper at this time for the city and APD to make any conclusory statements about specific incidents or provide details about law enforcement strategy and operations.

Based on our initial investigative work, we believe reports of TdA influence in Aurora are isolated. We urge all community members, including members of our migrant communities, to please report crimes committed against them to their local law enforcement agencies and not remain silent victims. Crime victims can report crimes anonymously by calling Metro Denver Crime Stoppers at 720.913.STOP (7867).

As always, information could change as the investigations continue at the local, state and federal levels."

"DEA Rocky Mountain Field Division Special Agent in Charge Jonathan Pullen said the DEA's focus is on organizations that are trafficking fentanyl into the country. In recent months, DEA agents have seized "multi-kilogram quantities of fentanyl destined for the Denver-Metro area" from members and/or associates of TdA, according to Pullen."

Tren de Aragua 'components' operating in Aurora but 'reports of TdA influence' are isolated, city says

In a new statement, the City of Aurora on Wednesday confirmed "components" of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua (TdA) are operating in Aurora but said "reports of TdA influence... are isolated."

www.denver7.com

Yes, I’m well aware. Aurora has been dealing with heavy gang activity for decades. So a different gang but the same issue.

I posted about the slumlord because there is a lot of incorrect to outright lies about Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings.

 

[BPPLEE]

From the link:

'However, the spokesperson also noted, “Police officers are prohibited from asking about the immigration status of crime victims, witnesses, or suspects and therefore the NYPD doesn’t track data pertaining to immigration statuses.”

As a result, the only people who have a full understanding of the scale of the problem are the police officers and court workers who see it day in, day out.

“I would say about 75% of the arrests in Midtown Manhattan are migrants, mostly for robberies, assaults, domestic incidents and selling counterfeit items,” a Midtown officer said.

He said the figure is an estimate because “you can’t be 100% sure [they’re migrants] unless you arrest them in a shelter or they’re dumb enough to give you a shelter address.”

The first two paragraphs contradict each other. And the second is a single quote from a single officer which includes 'I would say...' and 'the figure is an estimate...' and ' you can't be 100% sure...'

So someone talked to one unamed source and with no back up quotes or figures or anything you'd normally associate with journalism, they have a headline? Talking of figures, I did what the patently useless NYP didn't do and dug some up. From here: Debunking the Myth of the ‘Migrant Crime Wave’

'For example, one study found that undocumented immigrants are 33 percent less likely to be incarcerated than people born in the United States. Indications of a negative relationship between immigration and crime also emerge when looking at conviction rates. In a Texas study, undocumented immigrants were found to be 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime in 2017 than native-born Americans. More recently, a study looked at census data over a 150-year period; since 1870, incarceration rates of immigrants are actually slightly lower than U.S.-born people and that gap widens in recent years with immigrants 60 percent less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born citizens.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify the situation.

Less likely to be incarcerated does not mean less likely to be guilty

 

[Laodicean60]

Aurora has been dealing with heavy gang activity for decades. So a different gang but the same issue.

This is the problem we have added fuel to the fire by allowing more criminals into our country to an existing problem.

 

[Laodicean60]

I posted about the slumlord because there is a lot of incorrect to outright lies about Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings.

We may be talking about different apartments but there seems to be conflicting information.

"Late Wednesday afternoon, a City of Aurora spokesperson confirmed they had received the letter and "immediately included it in its ongoing investigative work". The City spokesperson said Aurora Police have been and will continue to aggressively investigate and pursue any criminal activity reported on or related to the Aurora apartment buildings that have been at the center of this controversy. "The information and claims in the letter underscore why APD(and other law enforcement agencies) formed a special task force to investigate violent crime impacting migrants and other communities in the Denver metro area", wrote the city spokesperson."

Colorado law firm report claims Venezuelan gang has "stranglehold" on apartments, takeover began in 2023

A Denver law firm, hired to look into an alleged gang takeover of an Aurora apartment building, says they found the Venezuelan TdA gang began taking over the Whispering Pines apartments in late 2023.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Bradskii]

Less likely to be incarcerated does not mean less likely to be guilty

You can spin this any way you prefer. The facts and the figures are indisputable. Immigrants are more law abiding than native born citizens. Meaning that all this bulldust about criminality flooding across the border is just that. It's scaremongering of the worst kind. And people fall for it.

 

[BPPLEE]

You can spin this any way you prefer. The facts and the figures are indisputable. Immigrants are more law abiding than native born citizens. Meaning that all this bulldust about criminality flooding across the border is just that. It's scaremongering of the worst kind. And people fall for it.

We’ve only seen the beginning. You ain’t seen nothing yet