Irish teacher jailed for third time over transgender pronoun dispute

[Gregory Thompson]

What rights?

A man pretending to be a woman has rights to his delusion?

I don't think so.

Well, in view of the foundational concept of Christianity "treat others as you would like to be treated"

Someone reading this could say, those claiming to be Christians need to produce a miracle or go to a mental institution.

Not a direction I would like to encourage.

 

[RileyG]

Well, in view of the foundational concept of Christianity "treat others as you would like to be treated"

Someone reading this could say, those claiming to be Christians need to produce a miracle or go to a mental institution.

Yes, we should treat others as we want to be treated.

That does not mean we have to validate someone's fantasy.

I have a young niece. I do not want MEN in the same restroom as her just because they identity as women.

That's nonsense.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, we should treat others as we want to be treated.

That does not mean we have to validate someone's fantasy.

I have a young niece. I do not want MEN in the same restroom as her just because they identity as women.

That's nonsense.

Yes, I understand the basic idea why it isn't a good thing.

I was explaining why addressing the issue in this fashion just escalates it.

Since what I said doesn't really get through to anyone, I just know 5 years from now will be even weirder.

 

[RileyG]

Yes, I understand the basic idea why it isn't a good thing.

I was explaining why addressing the issue in this fashion just escalates it.

Since what I said doesn't really get through to anyone, I just know 5 years from now will be even weirder.

Ah, I see.

I think some people get so passionate because it is a very serious issue.

Not to sound disrespectful, I see many trans people that literally look like men in a dress.

It's just so inappropriate for them to use the women's restroom or be called "her" because they're still clearly a man.

Sorry, that's my opinion and my opinion only.

It will get worse in years to come.

Blessings

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Ah, I see.

I think some people get so passionate because it is a very serious issue.

Not to sound disrespectful, I see many trans people that literally look like men in a dress.

It's just so inappropriate for them to use the women's restroom or be called "her" because they're still clearly a man.

Sorry, that's my opinion and my opinion only.

It will get worse in years to come.

Blessings

Blessings back.

I experienced some sort of identity dysphoria (seriously, felt like I was different person every day down to the core) for over a decade, so I can understand the need for healthy boundaries.

 

[NBB]

Well, in view of the foundational concept of Christianity "treat others as you would like to be treated"

Someone reading this could say, those claiming to be Christians need to produce a miracle or go to a mental institution.

Not a direction I would like to encourage.

Nobody is promoting mistreating others, or insult them, but you understand that people can go to jail for refusing to be forced to use language?
If you don't see that as a problem you are part of it, is worse than jailing someone for using offensive words, let's say you go to jail because saying to someone 'you are stupid', this is the same, you can't force people out of their ideals and religion and demand them to use the language you want.

 

[Sunflower39]

Try living in the UK now, it's sad.

I do live in the UK. It’s very sad. It even seems like most people don’t agree with it, most people I’ve spoken to don’t anyway! Both Christians and Atheists. Yet we all have to accept this nonsense so we don’t upset the delusional minority!

 

[stevevw]

An Irish teacher at the center of a transgender pronoun controversy was jailed for the third time on Monday after defying a court order to stay away from the school that dismissed him.

The High Court in Dublin ordered Enoch Burke’s committal for contempt after he persisted in appearing at Wilson’s Hospital School in County Westmeath, violating an injunction barring him from the premises, the Irish Times reported.

Burke is an evangelical Christian. He was suspended in August 2022 for refusing to use a transgender student’s preferred pronouns. Though later dismissed, he has appealed the termination and — according to media reports — remains on the school’s payroll pending the outcome.

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Irish teacher jailed for third time over transgender pronoun dispute

The long-standing case involves over 400 days already spent in prison — and ongoing legal battles.

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Just think about this mad ideology taken to its logical end. It would have not just the teacher or others who have so far suffered for simply standing on their own beliefs but it wants all of society, every single person must bow before Woke Trans and Identity ideology. Isn't that itself dangerous. We would say so for any other ideology.

This will require laws, language laws that forbid people not affirming Trans or other subjective identities. While at the same time telling those who believe different that their beliefs don't count according to the State sanctified doctrine of human made ideology.

Without even getting into the why's and wherefores as to whether which side is right or wrong just the fact that a State ideology should make people conform to a belief and language about who we are and how the world is ordered and then penalise those who don't is scary enough.

That is no different to any organised State belief like a Theocracy, Cult, Dictatorship, or Communism. Just for the fact that someone is forcing another to conform to their belief while denying other beliefs. Its a dangerous ideology the progressive Leftists are trying to push on everyone and the greatest threat is to the true Church of Christ.

In fact its one of the false Christs the bible speaks about. The ideology is slipped into society under the Trojan Horse of compassion and Rights based protections. It uses nobel causes because everyone is empathetic to nobel causes. It then slips the ideology in behind the nobel cause and then emtionally blackmails people for not going along.

So the ideologues and activists are cunning, like a fox, in fact like a wolf, a wolf in sheeps clothing ready to devour our children. Its sick, demented and cruel. It is confusing and tricking Gods people. But not just Gods people it is dividing society and causing much harm especially to children and young people. It is detaching people from reality. Which is by definition a mental disorder.

 

[Sunflower39]

Just think about this mad ideology taken to its logical end. It would have not just the teacher or others who have so far have suffered for simply standing on their own beliefs but all of society, every single person must bow before Woke Trans and Identity ideology.

It will need to be a law, a language law that forbids people not affirming Trans or other subjective and not objective identities. While at the same time telling those who believe different that their beliefs don't count as much as the State santified doctrine of human made ideology.

Without even getting into the whys and wherefores as to whether which side is right or wrong just the fact that an ideology should make people, penalise people, to conform to a belief about who we are and how the world is ordered. Which is not based on objective reality. There can be no evidence for its enforcement other than because the State is upholding a belief.

That is no different to any organised State belief like a Theocracy, Cult, Dictator, or Communism. Just for the fact that someone is forcing another to conform to their belief while denying other beliefs. Its a dangerous ideology the progressive Leftists are trying to push on everyone and the greatest threat to the trus Church of Christ.

In fact its one of the false Christs. The ideology is slipped into society under the Trojan Horse of compassion and Rights protection. It uses nobel causes as it knows everyone is empathetic to nobel causes. It then slips the ideology in behind the nobel cause and then emtionally blackmails people who resist by appealing to the nobel cause which for most is hard to disagree with.

So the ideologues and activists are cunning, like a wolf, a wolf in sheeps clothing ready to devour our children. Its sick, demented and cruel. It is confusing and tricking Gods people and this is one of those false teachings Christ talks about.

It is sick. I can see things going this way unfortunately. I dread to think what the world will be like in 10 years time and worry for my children’s futures.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Nobody is promoting mistreating others, or insult them, but you understand that people can go to jail for refusing to be forced to use language?
If you don't see that as a problem you are part of it, is worse than jailing someone for using offensive words, let's say you go to jail because saying to someone 'you are stupid', this is the same, you can't force people out of their ideals and religion and demand them to use the language you want.

In the old days there was this thing you were supposed to say, it was "Caesar is Lord" or you would be executed .. thus it is written, one can only say Jesus is Lord, by the Holy Spirit.

One of the work arounds for the future is probably to learn a language without gender pronouns and use that instead.

 

[Sunflower39]

There’s absolutely no way I can ever call a man in a dress a ‘she/her’.

 

[NBB]

In the old days there was this thing you were supposed to say, it was "Caesar is Lord" or you would be executed .. thus it is written, one can only say Jesus is Lord, by the Holy Spirit.

One of the work arounds for the future is probably to learn a language without gender pronouns and use that instead.

What are they, Darth Vader and the empire, that everyone needs to be terrorized into obeying. Very 'tolerant people', are you sure christians are the supposed bigots?, when they are forcing their ideology by law. This is pretty much satanic, there no way this could fly in a normal way.

 

[stevevw]

It is sick. I can see things going this way unfortunately. I dread to think what the world will be like in 10 years time and worry for my children’s futures.

I have an adult son so I can sort of understand the generational change in society and culture. I am a bit older so I can see the changes that have happened over time.

I liken society in general to an individual for diagnostic purposes. The state of the mind, body and spirit as we would measure in an individual. I think modern society is sick, physically, mentally and spiritually sick and headed for some sort of breakdown if we are not already in one.

You can tell by the red flags like high levels of mental illness and psychological disorders. We had spates of social contagions like eating disorders and cutting with young people. We have had the ADHD phenomena and other disorders. Now we have personality disorders and body dysmorphism.

But I also think generally at least in the public square theres a detachment or delusion that is spreading. Perhaps because thanks to Postmodernism things are more relative and thus this allows for alternative realities, subjective realities and identities which become the new truth and reality we should live by.

We see this in how even objective science is being challenged as real knowledge about reality. Now self created realities based on subjective experience and identities trump objective reality, bodily reality and the acid test of applied or lived reality.

The two clash and that is why we have so much division and conflict. But once again we don't need to get into the rights and wrongs of which side. We just have to make the diagnosis, look for the signs of delusion, of psychological disordered thinking, cognitive errors, irrationality and these tell us that something is wrong with the ideology.

I remember a time when that which was subjective was an unreliable way to determine the truth and facts of the matter. Now it seems that a new religious type ideology has come along and we all have to bow to it or else.

So the very people who have protested all these years about 'not forcing your religion and beliefs on me' generation are themselves pushing their new religion on others. Funny how the more things change the more they stay the same and in fact get worse.

 

[RileyG]

Blessings back.

I experienced some sort of identity dysphoria (seriously, felt like I was different person every day down to the core) for over a decade, so I can understand the need for healthy boundaries.

Thanks for clarifying. I hope you're doing well, now.

 

[RileyG]

We have lost our traditions and identity. I want my country back!

Don't worry. All is in God's hands, but that does not diminish human responsibility.

 

[RileyG]

There’s absolutely no way I can ever call a man in a dress a ‘she/her’.

Amen.

It's a mental illness, if anything.

 

[johansen]

defying a court order to stay away from the school that dismissed him.

not defending the school here, but, play stupid games win stupid prizes.

if you're going to break the law, you might as well do it in a manner that will actually bring permanent change to society.

 

[RileyG]

not defending the school here, but, play stupid games win stupid prizes.

if you're going to break the law, you might as well do it in a manner that will actually bring permanent change to society.

The fact it's considered a law and the teacher was jailed is beyond ridiculous.

No one is harmed by being called the wrong pronoun.

Sheesh.

 

[Sunflower39]

We have lost our traditions and identity. I want my country back!

Me too. This country has become a joke. I think more and more people are getting fed up with it.

 

[Sunflower39]

Amen.

It's a mental illness, if anything.

Yes, it definitely is.

They should be supported in accepting and feeling comfortable with who they are, rather than being encouraged to become something they can never be.