Burning Money

[Desk trauma]

That won't stop them from continuing to search.

Why should it?

More money burnt.

What do you imagine the money would have been put towards if it wasn't used for SETI?

 

[Larniavc]

That won't stop them from continuing to search. More money burnt.

I dunno how learning more about the universe is money wasted.

 

[CoreyD]

Yes.

Thank you.
Can you give me your reason for thinking so? Thanks.

Why should it?

I won't attempt to get in the way of ambitious people pursuing their quest.
I am making an observation that is true.

I don't figure that more than 40 years and hundreds of millions of dollars, is going to dampen the spirits of persons who are aging, but getting $$$ while they do so, even though they know they will die, and be buried under the earth, to rot, and not see their dream.

It usually amounts to purpose.
Knowing the purpose of life, is also a quest of many, and they pursue that quest in different ways.
That, though, is another subject.

What do you imagine the money would have been put towards if it wasn't used for SETI?

Good question.
Not that I will tell people what to do with their money. They will do what they want.
Also, I do not expect persons to use money in a more productive and beneficial way, for the reasons I gave earlier.

Even if money is provided, in order to "benefit" others, corruption and greed will always, be at the helm.
I do not see SETI as free from this.
People will always have a "good reason" why they need money to do xyz.

When the COVID Pandemic had everyone scrambling, what happened?
It was the largest burst of emergency spending in U.S. history: two years, six laws and more than $5 trillion intended to break the deadly grip of the coronavirus pandemic. The money spared the U.S. economy from ruin and put vaccines into millions of arms, but it also invited unprecedented levels of fraud, abuse and opportunism.

In a year-long investigation, The Washington Post followed the covid money trail to figure out what happened to all that cash.


However, if you want to know what beneficial uses billions of dollars can contribute to...
That's not hard to work out.
The UN has listed issues that it deems to be the most pressing as of 2023.
Health issues is one of the most important concerns to people.
Of course, big companies, spend millions to kill millions... with cigarettes for example, but despite this being a concern for government to fix, what is done?
The world is in a mess, because of greed.

Where would most people start?
Health care; Children's care... I actually saw a lot of ads on TV, on donations that help millions of disabled children, and foster children, children in poverty...

I know where money can be most beneficial, but this is not what most people want, and this is due to the fact that who controls this world 1 John 5:19, has misled most people Revelation 12:9, causing them to be blind to what is most beneficial. 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4

People will continue to burn money until this world ends. It does not matter what others would recommend, suggest, or find more beneficial.
If you know the Bible well, you would know this.

Thanks for asking though.

 

[CoreyD]

I dunno how learning more about the universe is money wasted.

Learning more about the universe is not the objective. If they told you that in writing, read it through carefully... and please share the reference with me. I'd appreciate it.

 

[Desk trauma]

Thank you.
Can you give me your reason for thinking so? Thanks.

It's a worthwhile endeavor funding it is not "burning" money.

I won't attempt to get in the way of ambitious people pursuing their quest.
I am making an observation that is true.

That they should stop after one hopeful data point?

Good question.
Not that I will tell people what to do with their money. They will do what they want.
Also, I do not expect persons to use money in a more productive and beneficial way, for the reasons I gave earlier.

Even if money is provided, in order to "benefit" others, corruption and greed will always, be at the helm.
I do not see SETI as free from this.
People will always have a "good reason" why they need money to do xyz.

When the COVID Pandemic had everyone scrambling, what happened?
It was the largest burst of emergency spending in U.S. history: two years, six laws and more than $5 trillion intended to break the deadly grip of the coronavirus pandemic. The money spared the U.S. economy from ruin and put vaccines into millions of arms, but it also invited unprecedented levels of fraud, abuse and opportunism.

In a year-long investigation, The Washington Post followed the covid money trail to figure out what happened to all that cash.


However, if you want to know what beneficial uses billions of dollars can contribute to...
That's not hard to work out.
The UN has listed issues that it deems to be the most pressing as of 2023.

Health issues is one of the most important concerns to people.
Of course, big companies, spend millions to kill millions... with cigarettes for example, but despite this being a concern for government to fix, what is done?
The world is in a mess, because of greed.

Where would most people start?
Health care; Children's care... I actually saw a lot of ads on TV, on donations that help millions of disabled children, and foster children, children in poverty...

I asked what you imagined the money would be spent on, not what it should be spent on. The funding from groups or individuals supporting SETI would be funding aimed towards similar endeavors were SETI not on the table as an option. There is little reason to think that it would have otherwise gone to things you do not deem as burning it.

I know where money can be most beneficial, but this is not what most people want, and this is due to the fact that who controls this world 1 John 5:19, has misled most people Revelation 12:9, causing them to be blind to what is most beneficial. 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4

People will continue to burn money until this world ends. It does not matter what others would recommend, suggest, or find more beneficial.
If you know the Bible well, you would know this.

Thanks for asking though.

Then why bother with this thread if there's nothing to be done about it?

 

[CoreyD]

It's a worthwhile endeavor funding it is not "burning" money.

I appreciate and respect your opinion.

That they should stop after one hopeful data point?

One hopeful? There were more than one.

I asked what you imagined the money would be spent on, not what it should be spent on. The funding from groups or individuals supporting SETI would be funding aimed towards similar endeavors were SETI not on the table as an option. There is little reason to think that it would have otherwise gone to things you do not deem as burning it.

Not necessarily.
I would not consider saving lives burning money.
The firemen do a good job, and the hospitals, that treat many patients, as well.

Thankfully, the government pulled its support, as they saw it was a wasted endeavor.

Then why bother with this thread if there's nothing to be done about it?

It's my relaxing time.
It's in the Ethics and Morals sub-forum.
It involves issues that affect people.

...and, @Larniavc I'm not the only one.
Criticism of SETI

 

[Desk trauma]

One hopeful? There were more than one.

Just like biologists should have folded the tent and gone home after finding what could be the foot prints of what they are out to study.

Not necessarily.
I would not consider saving lives burning money.
The firemen do a good job, and the hospitals, that treat many patients, as well.

Again, funds that are being sent to SETI are not coming from the budgets of organizations or individuals focused on such things and where it to shutter tomorrow those funds would find their way into other research that you would likely class as a waste.

 

[Larniavc]

Learning more about the universe is not the objective. If they told you that in writing, read it through carefully... and please share the reference with me. I'd appreciate it.

They didn't say that they used the toilet either. What is your point?

 

[CoreyD]

They didn't say that they used the toilet either. What is your point?

I made my point. You quoted it. What is your point about the toilet?

 

[Tinker Grey]

The US military (annual budget: ~780 billion) spends SETI's normal budget (20-25 million) in less than 20 minutes. Even with the donation of 200 million, it'll take the US military only a little over 3 hrs to spend SETI's budget.

Whinging about such small potatoes is misguided.

 

[CoreyD]

Just like biologists should have folded the tent and gone home after finding what could be the foot prints of what they are out to study.

I'm not sure why this is here, since biology is not a search for extraterrestrial life.

Again, funds that are being sent to SETI are not coming from the budgets of organizations or individuals focused on such things and where it to shutter tomorrow those funds would find their way into other research that you would likely class as a waste.

Why do you assume that I would likely class other research as a waste? Did I tell you I am against all research?
Would you consider tobacco factories the same as chocolate factories, because someone is against tobacco factories?
People that object to, or criticize tobacco factories, are not against chocolate factories.

What do you think about George Basalla, comment?
George Basalla, Emeritus Professor of History at the University of Delaware, is a critic of SETI who argued in 2006 that "extraterrestrials discussed by scientists are as imaginary as the spirits and gods of religion or myth"

Do you think he likely classes other research "as imaginary as the spirits and gods of religion or myth"?

What about Massimo Pigliucci, Professor of Philosophy at CUNY – City College... who asked in 2010 whether SETI is "uncomfortably close to the status of pseudoscience" due to the lack of any clear point at which negative results cause the hypothesis of Extraterrestrial Intelligence to be abandoned, before eventually concluding that SETI is "almost-science", which is described by Milan M. Ćirković as Pigliucci putting SETI in "the illustrious company of string theory, interpretations of quantum mechanics, evolutionary psychology and history (of the 'synthetic' kind done recently by Jared Diamond)", while adding that his justification for doing so with SETI "is weak, outdated, and reflecting particular philosophical prejudices similar to the ones described above in Mash and Basalla?

Do you in your mind think of these persons in the same way, and would you make similar unfounded accusations against them?

Nature, said, SETI is arguably not a falsifiable experiment.

I understand that criticism is not something people like to hear, especially when they have strong views on what is being criticized, and some people get really angry at not hearing what they would like people to say, but the Christian accepts criticism, as they understand why criticism is given.
Because people disagree, this is no reason to make unfounded statements against those who do not agree with us.

Especially here at CF, we are encouraged to Address only the content of the post and not the poster.

 

[CoreyD]

The US military (annual budget: ~780 billion) spends SETI's normal budget (20-25 million) in less than 20 minutes. Even with the donation of 200 million, it'll take the US military only a little over 3 hrs to spend SETI's budget.

Whinging about such small potatoes is misguided.

Okay. Wasting 10 potatoes is not the same as wasting 100 potatoes.
Are you saying that's cool, or are you saying it is nothing if we waste 10 potatoes?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[Desk trauma]

I'm not sure why this is here, since biology is not a search for extraterrestrial life.

It's them abiding by the terms you would have SETI use, some promising data points found then give up shut down the lab, send all funding elsewhere.

Why do you assume that I would likely class other research as a waste? Did I tell you I am against all research?

Your very narrow focus and calling all things you would not do burning money points towards that.

Would you consider tobacco factories the same as chocolate factories, because someone is against tobacco factories?
People that object to, or criticize tobacco factories, are not against chocolate factories.

What do you think about George Basalla, comment?
George Basalla, Emeritus Professor of History at the University of Delaware, is a critic of SETI who argued in 2006 that "extraterrestrials discussed by scientists are as imaginary as the spirits and gods of religion or myth"

I disagree.

Do you think he likely classes other research "as imaginary as the spirits and gods of religion or myth"?

Having just been made aware of his existence I have no idea what they think on any other subject nor are they here to tell me.

What about Massimo Pigliucci, Professor of Philosophy at CUNY – City College... who asked in 2010 whether SETI is "uncomfortably close to the status of pseudoscience" due to the lack of any clear point at which negative results cause the hypothesis of Extraterrestrial Intelligence to be abandoned, before eventually concluding that SETI is "almost-science", which is described by Milan M. Ćirković as Pigliucci putting SETI in "the illustrious company of string theory, interpretations of quantum mechanics, evolutionary psychology and history (of the 'synthetic' kind done recently by Jared Diamond)", while adding that his justification for doing so with SETI "is weak, outdated, and reflecting particular philosophical prejudices similar to the ones described above in Mash and Basalla?

Do you in your mind think of these persons in the same way, and would you make similar unfounded accusations against them?

I am not talking with them, I am talking with you.

 

[CoreyD]

It's them abiding by the terms you would have SETI use, some promising data points found then give up shut down the lab, send all funding elsewhere.

What are the "promising data points found"?

Your very narrow focus and calling all things you would not do burning money points towards that.

I did not do that. That is not what is in the OP.

I disagree.

Having just been made aware of his existence I have no idea what they think on any other subject nor are they here to tell me.

Did I tell you I am against funding other research?

I am not talking with them, I am talking with you.

I quoted them, and so, you heard them.
If you are talking to me, then answering the question is involved. Otherwise, that is talking at me, not to me.

Do you in your mind think of these persons in the same way, and would you make similar unfounded accusations against them?

 

[Desk trauma]

What are the "promising data points found"?

The ones contained in your post.

Did I tell you I am against funding other research?

Again, you very narrow focus and calling so many things burning money points to that.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Okay. Wasting 10 potatoes is not the same as wasting 100 potatoes.

Nah. It's 1 potato to 39,000 potatoes.

 

[CoreyD]

The ones contained in your post.

No such data exists.
It is still hopefulness.
For a number of decades, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute (SETI) has been combing the stars for signs of a technologically advanced civilization lurking in their midst. And although no such signs have materialized so far, it's worth considering that we have only been looking at a small speck of the cosmos — and for a fleeting amount of time.

Again, you very narrow focus and calling so many things burning money points to that.

Then would you agree your statement does not demonstrate honesty?
Having just been made aware of his existence I have no idea what they think on any other subject nor are they here to tell me.

 

[CoreyD]

Nah. It's 1 potato to 39,000 potatoes.

Thanks for being accurate.
My question is still the same, basically, as that changes nothing.

Are you saying it's cool wasting 10 potatoes because it is not the same as wasting 390,000 potatoes., or are you saying it is nothing if we waste 10 potatoes?

I still haven't gotten your point.

 

[Desk trauma]

No such data exists.
It is still hopefulness.
For a number of decades, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Institute (SETI) has been combing the stars for signs of a technologically advanced civilization lurking in their midst. And although no such signs have materialized so far, it's worth considering that we have only been looking at a small speck of the cosmos — and for a fleeting amount of time.

So continue the search?

Then would you agree your statement does not demonstrate honesty?

No.

 

[CoreyD]

So continue the search?

Not in the OP. Not anywhere on Wikipedia. It does not exist.

No.

When were you made aware of my existence, and what do you know about what I think about other subjects?