Major publishers sue Florida over ‘unconstitutional’ school book ban

[essentialsaltes]

Six major book publishers have teamed up to sue the US state of Florida over an “unconstitutional” law that has seen hundreds of titles purged from school libraries following rightwing challenges.

Since it went into effect last July, countless titles have been removed from elementary, middle and high school libraries, including American classics such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

Contemporary novels by bestselling authors such as Margaret Atwood, Judy Blume and Stephen King have also been removed

The suit contends the book removal provisions violate previous supreme court decisions relating to reviewing works for their literary, artistic, political and scientific value as a whole while considering any potential obscenity; and seeks to restore the discretion “of trained educators to evaluate books holistically to avoid harm to students who will otherwise lose access to a wide range of viewpoints”.

DeSantis has attempted to portray the issue as “a hoax”, arguing that because the state has empowered parents to make objections, and is not directly making the challenges itself, it is not responsible for books subsequently removed from shelves.

See also this (I believe ongoing) case:

Penguin Random House sues Pensacola-area Florida school district over book bans​

 

[RileyG]

Books ban only make the banned book look more interesting. Congratulations Florida!

 

[Chesterton]

First off, you forgot to capitalize "Rightwing". It's a lot scarier when you capitalize. (Is that a word now?)

Second, no books have been banned. If I open an Italian restaurant and I choose not to serve enchiladas, I haven't banned enchiladas. Everyone is free to get enchiladas elsewhere.

 

[loveofourlord]

Books ban only make the banned book look more interesting. Congratulations Florida!

hehe I remember a father ted episode where their proteseting a movie made the movie a bigger success and got yelled at by higher ups.

 

[loveofourlord]

Six major book publishers have teamed up to sue the US state of Florida over an “unconstitutional” law that has seen hundreds of titles purged from school libraries following rightwing challenges.

Since it went into effect last July, countless titles have been removed from elementary, middle and high school libraries, including American classics such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

Contemporary novels by bestselling authors such as Margaret Atwood, Judy Blume and Stephen King have also been removed

The suit contends the book removal provisions violate previous supreme court decisions relating to reviewing works for their literary, artistic, political and scientific value as a whole while considering any potential obscenity; and seeks to restore the discretion “of trained educators to evaluate books holistically to avoid harm to students who will otherwise lose access to a wide range of viewpoints”.

DeSantis has attempted to portray the issue as “a hoax”, arguing that because the state has empowered parents to make objections, and is not directly making the challenges itself, it is not responsible for books subsequently removed from shelves.

See also this (I believe ongoing) case:

Penguin Random House sues Pensacola-area Florida school district over book bans​

it's all about what the parents that don't awnt their kids reading want, yet nothing about the others that did. My father, and his mom used to have a simple rule, "If we were old enough to ask for them, we were old enough to read." I was reading books way above my age most of my life.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Six major book publishers have teamed up to sue the US state of Florida over an “unconstitutional” law that has seen hundreds of titles purged from school libraries following rightwing challenges.

Since it went into effect last July, countless titles have been removed from elementary, middle and high school libraries, including American classics such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

Contemporary novels by bestselling authors such as Margaret Atwood, Judy Blume and Stephen King have also been removed

The suit contends the book removal provisions violate previous supreme court decisions relating to reviewing works for their literary, artistic, political and scientific value as a whole while considering any potential obscenity; and seeks to restore the discretion “of trained educators to evaluate books holistically to avoid harm to students who will otherwise lose access to a wide range of viewpoints”.

DeSantis has attempted to portray the issue as “a hoax”, arguing that because the state has empowered parents to make objections, and is not directly making the challenges itself, it is not responsible for books subsequently removed from shelves.

See also this (I believe ongoing) case:

Penguin Random House sues Pensacola-area Florida school district over book bans​

I Hope the publishers lose because most of the books that were banned from the public school system here in Florida are pure pornography. During school board meetings, parents would read pages from those banned books and the school board had the parents stopped because of the words that were in the books. They were too offensive to the school boards ears! So why are we letting school kids read these books?

No, I hope these publishers lose big time!

Parents have the right to make sure the children aren't subject to harmful topics. I parents want their children to read that kind of stuff then they can get it from the county public libraries.

 

[Belk]

First off, you forgot to capitalize "Rightwing". It's a lot scarier when you capitalize. (Is that a word now?)

Capitalization is for proper names. Rightwing is not a proper name.

Second, no books have been banned. If I open an Italian restaurant and I choose not to serve enchiladas, I haven't banned enchiladas. Everyone is free to get enchiladas elsewhere.

If the government stops your restaurant from serving enchiladas they have been banned even if you can buy them frozen in the grocery store. Something being banned does not require it be universally unavailable.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Six major book publishers have teamed up to sue the US state of Florida over an “unconstitutional” law that has seen hundreds of titles purged from school libraries following rightwing challenges.

Since it went into effect last July, countless titles have been removed from elementary, middle and high school libraries, including American classics such as Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, For Whom the Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

Contemporary novels by bestselling authors such as Margaret Atwood, Judy Blume and Stephen King have also been removed

The suit contends the book removal provisions violate previous supreme court decisions relating to reviewing works for their literary, artistic, political and scientific value as a whole while considering any potential obscenity; and seeks to restore the discretion “of trained educators to evaluate books holistically to avoid harm to students who will otherwise lose access to a wide range of viewpoints”.

DeSantis has attempted to portray the issue as “a hoax”, arguing that because the state has empowered parents to make objections, and is not directly making the challenges itself, it is not responsible for books subsequently removed from shelves.

See also this (I believe ongoing) case:

Penguin Random House sues Pensacola-area Florida school district over book bans​

Just out of curiosity, are Hustler and PlayBoy two of the punlishers?

 

[Chesterton]

Capitalization is for proper names. Rightwing is not a proper name.

Agreed. It's also not a word.

If the government stops your restaurant from serving enchiladas they have been banned even if you can buy them frozen in the grocery store. Something being banned does not require it be universally unavailable.

"The government" is the parents. Government of the people, by the people, for the people, as it should be.

 

[Belk]

Agreed. It's also not a word.

Correct. It is two words.

"The government" is the parents. Government of the people, by the people, for the people, as it should be.

So we are in agreement it is banning books?

 

[NxNW]

I Hope the publishers lose because most of the books that were banned from the public school system here in Florida are pure pornography.

Parents have the right to make sure the children aren't subject to harmful topics. I parents want their children to read that kind of stuff then they can get it from the county public libraries.

Huck Finn? Brave New World?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Huck Finn? Brave New World?

Not even Huck Finn... Tom Sawyer, but you can see the logic....

Tom finally wins over Becky's heart for good by, first, not telling on her for sneaking into the teachers desk and looking at the anatomy book and accidentally tearing one of its pages, and, second and most importantly, for taking the blame and getting whipped for it. In effect, Tom shows his support for Becky's dangerous interest in books.

That hussy Becky's interested in books, and those anatomical drawings might not be expurgated.

 

[Bradskii]

"The government" is the parents. Government of the people, by the people, for the people, as it should be.

Well said. It's the parents who must make this decision. So if there's a book that they don't want their children to read, they must be free to tell their children 'Don't read that book'. I'm sure you'd be annoyed if it was my decision as to what your children could and couldn't read.

 

[RileyG]

Well said. It's the parents who must make this decision. So if there's a book that they don't want their children to read, they must be free to tell their children 'Don't read that book'. I'm sure you'd be annoyed if it was my decision as to what your children could and couldn't read.

Read, read, read. Learn everything as possible! It will help their young minds.

When I was in high school, a parent apparently complained about the book Jurassic Park because it had an anti- God reference or something. (I’ve never read the book, only saw the movie)

 

[RileyG]

Not even Huck Finn... Tom Sawyer, but you can see the logic....

Tom finally wins over Becky's heart for good by, first, not telling on her for sneaking into the teachers desk and looking at the anatomy book and accidentally tearing one of its pages, and, second and most importantly, for taking the blame and getting whipped for it. In effect, Tom shows his support for Becky's dangerous interest in books.

That hussy Becky's interested in books, and those anatomical drawings might not be expurgated.

Read that book around age 13. Literally have no memory of the anatomy book part.

How much will they remember in the long run anyway?

 

[Chesterton]

So we are in agreement it is banning books?

No. Slavery, aerosol sprays, freon and methamphetamine are effectively banned. These books are not.

 

[Belk]

No. Slavery, aerosol sprays, freon and methamphetamine are effectively banned. These books are not.

Your claim is that it must not be available anywhere in order to be banned? If there is a law that no one can represent Christianity in school that is not a ban?

 

[Chesterton]

I don't know what you mean by "represent Christianity".

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Huck Finn? Brave New World?

Boy, does this sound familiar (I won't say how, I'll make you guess). How many millions of decent (no sexual promiscuity, no recreational drug use by young kids, no underage drinking, no bizarre lifestyles, no totally disregarding parent(s)) books have been written that school kids can now read freely. And you have to bring up those fringe exceptions. Will the world come to cataclysmic end if we done have our kids read Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, Brave New World and a few others here in Florida.

It's not the Florida government that is banning these books, it's decent parents who don't want garbage for their kids to read. Plus, parents elect the Florida government along with the school boards. So, it's the parents who want these bans. And to reply to

Well said. It's the parents who must make this decision. So if there's a book that they don't want their children to read, they must be free to tell their children 'Don't read that book'. I'm sure you'd be annoyed if it was my decision as to what your children could and couldn't read.

In Florida, we like to err on the side of helping the students know decency, so our rule is "if you want to let your students read garbage then buy yourself for them or go to the public library to get a copy. Simple as that.

 

[NxNW]

And you have to bring up those fringe exceptions.

Mark Twain is a fringe exception?

Will the world come to cataclysmic end if we done have our kids read Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, Brave New World and a few others here in Florida.

It's not the Florida government that is banning these books, it's decent parents who don't want garbage for their kids to read.

Mark Twain is garbage?

In Florida, we like to err on the side of helping the students know decency, so our rule is "if you want to let your students read garbage then buy yourself for them or go to the public library to get a copy. Simple as that.

Mark Twain is garbage?