Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

[Postvieww]

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Works for me.

You're complaining that she's becoming a little less liberal?

No , just that she is lying about it.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Yeah, I grew up in the city for my earlier years, and later on in a suburb, but after high school when I was living on my own, it was in the city. I worked for a few years, then eventually went on to college, Suffolk University. Best time of my life, met my future wife there, working on the school newspaper.

Living in Boston, a car is more of a hindrance than a benefit, I found. Not so much out where I am now, even though the T does run out my way, but it's the end of the line, so it would only benefit going inbound. I do miss public transportation sometimes, not having to deal with parking and, of course, more time to read. I find it difficult to read when driving to work...the red lights never last long enough.

-- A2SG, yeah, yeah, I'll go...just let me finish this chapter first!

That is interesting. It is good that you met your wife in college when working on your school newspaper. Boston sounds like a city in Western Europe, where it is better to take public transit. What did you major in at Suffolk University?

 

[Offline4Better.]

Um, it's a lot closer than that. Literally, there's just the Charles River separating the two cities.

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Boston is at the bottom of the photo, and across that bridge (The Mass. Ave bridge, once famously measured in Smoots) is Cambridge. That domed building to the right of the bridge is MIT.

-- A2SG, it's a nice city...you should visit sometime....

Nice, that is crazy close. Ahh, I should travel to Boston one of these days. Maybe an East Coast tour, starting in Maine, then down to Philly or something, along this red line. NYC would be in the middle of that red line.

Ahh, the Smoot, one of the strangest units of measurement. I am 0.948 Smoots tall: 5'3.5" in smoots - Wolfram|Alpha

 

[Hans Blaster]

not the same thing...people lost jobs over it. Must lift over 50 and be drug free are usually BEFORE employment.

Drug testing is continuous in many workplaces.

 

[A2SG]

That is interesting. It is good that you met your wife in college when working on your school newspaper. Boston sounds like a city in Western Europe, where it is better to take public transit.

I found it much simpler to take the T anywhere I needed to go in the city. Plus, Boston is a very walkable city, not as spread out as LA or others.

What did you major in at Suffolk University?

Journalism. I was editor of the school paper for a year as well. Since then, while I have written for a local paper or two here or there, I've mostly done something else, while pursuing my own writing. Oh, and spending way too much time on the internet.

-- A2SG, the 'net tis truly a double edged sword...

 

[Offline4Better.]

I found it much simpler to take the T anywhere I needed to go in the city. Plus, Boston is a very walkable city, not as spread out as LA or others.


Journalism. I was editor of the school paper for a year as well. Since then, while I have written for a local paper or two here or there, I've mostly done something else, while pursuing my own writing. Oh, and spending way too much time on the internet.

-- A2SG, the 'net tis truly a double edged sword...

I will have to have some breakfast now, but I will think about going to Boston in the future. Seems enticing to me. Journalism is important, as there is a need for factual news in 2024. Hopefully, you can pursue your own writing, and share it with us on the forums one of these days. Talk later, brother. Every city should have Boston's T system.

 

[Desk trauma]

not the same thing...people lost jobs over it. Must lift over 50 and be drug free are usually BEFORE employment.

Policies change. If you can’t abide by them, quit. If you refuse to expect to be fired.

 

[Yttrium]

No , just that she is lying about it.

Could be. But I prefer to apply Hanlon's razor.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

She may legitimately be changing her positions based on new information that she didn't know before, including public favorability of those positions. Happens an awful lot with politicians.

 

[A2SG]

I will have to have some breakfast now, but I will think about going to Boston in the future. Seems enticing to me. Journalism is important, as there is a need for factual news in 2024. Hopefully, you can pursue your own writing, and share it with us on the forums one of these days. Talk later, brother. Every city should have Boston's T system.

Well, I have been sharing my writing here for a while now, I hope it's been appreciated. Or, at least tolerated.

-- A2SG, though, I do have a book out there...PM if you're curious....

 

[Postvieww]

She may legitimately be changing her positions based on new information that she didn't know before, including public favorability of those positions. Happens an awful lot with politicians.

Could be. But I am skeptical that if elected some of her changes will remain and be acted upon.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Drug testing is continuous in many workplaces.

Sure but this is a vaccination. A mandatory vaccination.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Policies change. If you can’t abide by them, quit. If you refuse to expect to be fired.

Really? Getting fired because of a vaccination? It was never done before...at least in the Fed Gov but policies change...yes they sure do.

 

[Desk trauma]

Really?

Yes.

Getting fired because of a vaccination?

Vaccine mandates for employment are not new.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes.



Vaccine mandates for employment are not new.

In SOME jobs yes. This is the Fed Gov employee.

 

[Desk trauma]

In SOME jobs yes. This is the Fed Gov employee.

Again, if it’s unacceptable, quit.

 

[Always in His Presence]

When did the Biden administration have an electric vehicle mandate?
When was it her specific policy regarding electric vehicles rather than Biden's?

In 2019, then-Senator Kamala Harris co-sponsored the Zero Emissions Vehicles Act. This bill aimed to require that 100% of new car sales be electric vehicles

Is Kamala Harris Lying About Backing EV Mandates?

Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign team said Tuesday it’s a “lie” that she supports electric vehicle mandates, but her record on the issue suggests the opposite.​

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Then-Sen. Harris was a co-sponsor of the Zero Emissions Vehicles Act in 2019, a bill that initially proposed to require 100% of new car sales to be EVs or otherwise be emissions-free by 2040. Harris later campaigned, during her failed 2020 presidential bid, on having all new car sales be zero-emissions models by 2035.​

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Harris was also the second-highest ranking member of the Biden administration while it pursued the biggest EV agenda in American history. The Biden administration has a goal of having EVs or other zero-emissions models make up 50% of new auto sales by 2030.​

There ya go - 2019 and she was a co sponsor of the bill - then then connection with the Biden Admin she was the VP of.

GOSH! there was a mandate! And some thought it was part of a vast right wing conspiracy.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Just to circle back to the claim made by Vance: Harris will “force every American to own an electric vehicle.”

 

[FreeinChrist]

"EVS or otherwise emissions-free by 2040"
- note "otherwise emissions-free" Not EV only

The article is written by Nick Pope who is not unbiased.

Here is a summary of the bill written by the Congressional Research Service.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2764

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (05/15/2019)​

Zero-Emission Vehicles Act of 2019​

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This bill requires the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to establish a zero-emission passenger vehicle standard. Specifically, the bill sets a schedule for increasing the percentage of zero-emission vehicles a vehicle manufacturer delivers for sale, culminating in a requirement to sell only zero-emission vehicles from 2040 on. The bill also requires the EPA to establish a zero-emission vehicle credit program that approves one zero-emission vehicle credit for each zero-emission vehicle delivered for sale in the United States and partial credits for qualified electric vehicles based on the estimated proportion of the mileage driven on the battery.​

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Manufacturers that fail to meet the minimum required percentage of zero-emission vehicle sales must submit to the EPA a quantity of zero-emission vehicle credits sufficient to offset the excess.​

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Credits may also be sold, transferred, exchanged, or retired in certain circumstances.​

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The bill imposes civil penalties for the failure to comply with zero-emission vehicle credit standards, with collected penalties being deposited into the Highway Trust Fund. After 2040, the EPA may issue injunctions on the manufacture of passenger vehicles other than zero-emission vehicles.​

The bill is about the EPA setting standards. Not a mandate.

Regardless, most intelligent folks evolve or learn and adjust their view of what is possible or practical to do.

Honestly, this is making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[SimplyMe]

Here are Kamala's own words:

"Sales are up, driven by consumer demand. The auto industry is clearly moving toward electric.
We need to make the shift faster and make sure it is driven by the United States.
That means manufacturing millions of electric cars, trucks, and buses right here in our country. That means outfitting thousands of EV — elective vehicle — repair garages, just like this one. And it means installing a national network of EV chargers.
When we ask people what is the biggest barrier for them to buy an electric car, the answer is almost always: figuring out where and how to charge it.
People who live in apartments, for example, might not have a private driveway where they can install a plug. You heard the Secretary talk about that.
Well, when we install public chargers, in rural, urban, and suburban neighborhoods, we make it easier for people to go electric.
It’s that simple. It’s about being clear about what we need to get done and then to do it."

Remarks by Vice President Harris on Electric Vehicle Investments | The White House

Brandywine Maintenance FacilityBrandywine, Maryland THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Secretary Granholm, for all of your years of incredible

www.whitehouse.gov

If you review the following articles I think you will find she has been part of the effort:

Kamala Harris touts EV transition loans in Detroit - Bridge Michigan

The federal government is offering up to $100 million to ease the transition to EV parts manufacturing for Michigan suppliers.

www.bridgemi.com

Kamala and Joe, We’re Ready to Install EV Charging Stations

Coalition stands ready to realize administration's EV charging infrastructure goals.

www.nrdc.org

The following article was is from May of this year:

VP Kamala Harris touts domestic EV initiatives in Detroit - WDET 101.9 FM

The Vice President visited the Wright Museum on her “Economic Opportunity Tour” to discuss U.S. autoworkers, building Black wealth and more.

wdet.org

It's disturbing when politicians change their perceived positions in order to get elected.

I seem to be missing the issue here. She correctly points out the issue of charging electric vehicles and that it needs to be solved in the US, so that EVs can compete on more equal terms with ICE vehicles. I don't see where she ever talks about a mandate or forcing production or sales of EVs.

And just to note, she is correct that sales are up on EVs.

 

[SimplyMe]

"EVS or otherwise emissions-free by 2040"
- note "otherwise emissions-free" Not EV only

The article is written by Nick Pope who is not unbiased.

Here is a summary of the bill written by the Congressional Research Service.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2764

Shown Here:​

Introduced in House (05/15/2019)​

Zero-Emission Vehicles Act of 2019​

​

This bill requires the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to establish a zero-emission passenger vehicle standard. Specifically, the bill sets a schedule for increasing the percentage of zero-emission vehicles a vehicle manufacturer delivers for sale, culminating in a requirement to sell only zero-emission vehicles from 2040 on. The bill also requires the EPA to establish a zero-emission vehicle credit program that approves one zero-emission vehicle credit for each zero-emission vehicle delivered for sale in the United States and partial credits for qualified electric vehicles based on the estimated proportion of the mileage driven on the battery.​

​

Manufacturers that fail to meet the minimum required percentage of zero-emission vehicle sales must submit to the EPA a quantity of zero-emission vehicle credits sufficient to offset the excess.​

​

Credits may also be sold, transferred, exchanged, or retired in certain circumstances.​

​

The bill imposes civil penalties for the failure to comply with zero-emission vehicle credit standards, with collected penalties being deposited into the Highway Trust Fund. After 2040, the EPA may issue injunctions on the manufacture of passenger vehicles other than zero-emission vehicles.​

The bill is about the EPA setting standards. Not a mandate.

Regardless, most intelligent folks evolve or learn and adjust their view of what is possible or practical to do.

Honestly, this is making a mountain out of a molehill.

Not to mention, this bill was proposed during the Trump administration and ended up dying in committee -- it appears to have no ties to Biden/Harris.