More than 200 Republicans who previously worked for either former President Bush, Sen. McCain, or Sen. Romney, endorse VP Harris

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know tariffs will increase prices.

We know Biden-Harris policies did...not will

 

[Larniavc]

No.

Surely you remember the 1986 bombing of Libya, the Iran–Iraq War, the secret and illegal sale of arms to Iran to fund the Contras?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I didn't suggest that at all. Why don't we try to talk civilly rather than this nonsense?


Dude, the title of the thread is "More than 200 Republicans who previously worked for either former President Bush, Sen. McCain, or Sen. Romney, endorse VP Harris"

Don't know. Perhaps Republican supporters who respect Bush could consider that the idea of Trump trying to illegally steal the election and hence a threat to USA democracy is real and not just left wing propoganda.

I understand, and I wasn't trying to be uncivil.


The crux of the question I'm asking is, if this is going to be propped up as a valid reason for republicans and conservative independents to vote for Harris, and left leaning outlets are going to parade it out as such with that theme in mind...

...what's the actual nature of their objections?

apart from the stolen election claims...while that's propped up as the "reason" for this group, I'm fairly convinced that this kind of group would've popped up had Jan 6th never happened.

My reason for thinking that:
because groups like these were popping up long before the January 6th debacle. For instance, the Lincoln Project was formed 2 years prior to that with the same aims -- being "Get republicans to vote for Biden, just this once, in 2020"

and then prior to that, for the 2016 election, there was the Republican Governors for Hillary, with Josh Kasich, Jeb Bush, Tom Ridge, George Pataki (and some others)...same aim "Get Republicans to vote for Clinton...just this once"

In 2028, when Trump is a non-factor, the odds are high that a similar group of republicans who were former office holders (who no longer have skin in the game) will pop up and and urge people to vote against whoever the republican nominee that year (unless that republican candidate happens to be a pushover)

 

[Belk]

He is a big threat to them...they hate him. The swamp can't control him, he does not play nice and they don't like that.

Cool story. Are you going to address the meat of my post or continue to ignore it?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Cool story. Are you going to address the meat of my post or continue to ignore it?

No, not cool what they have been doing to him. What meat? You made statements and I answered why I think that was true.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Bush, McCain, and Romney Alumni for Harris Statement

Four years ago, President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, and then-Gov. Mitt Romney alumni came together to warn fellow Republicans that re-electing President Trump would be a disaster for our nation. In those declarations we stated the plain truth, each predicting that another four years of a Trump presidency would irreparably damage our beloved democracy.

We made those announcements months before lies about a stolen election became everyday talking points and six months before Trump incited an insurrection, cheering on a mob of sore losers and sycophants as they tried to use force to overturn the will of the American public.

We reunite today, joined by new George H.W. Bush alumni, to reinforce our 2020 statements and, for the first time, jointly declare that we’re voting for Vice President Kamala Harris and Gov. Tim Walz this November.

Of course, we have plenty of honest, ideological disagreements with Vice President Harris and Gov. Walz. That’s to be expected. The alternative, however, is simply untenable.

Continues...

You know those three dingdongs could have said "put your vote toward one of the many third parties that are in the United States but NOOOOOOOO, they have to support everything that they use to be so against. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Belk]

No, not cool what they have been doing to him. What meat? You made statements and I answered why I think that was true.

<Blink>

I see. You honestly think the Democrats have completely bypassed the safeguards built into our government by the founding fathers but are so restrained that they are only using this new found power to go after one individual?

 

[essentialsaltes]

<Blink>

I see. You honestly think the Democrats have completely bypassed the safeguards built into our government by the founding fathers but are so restrained that they are only using this new found power to go after one individual?

Reminds me of the Pennsylvania (and probably elsewhere) GOP members who don't question their own election victories, but do question the integrity of the election in which they won (when it comes to the presidential race).

 

[Desk trauma]

You know those three dingdongs could have said "put your vote toward one of the many third parties that are in the United States but NOOOOOOOO, they have to support everything that they use to be so against. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They could vote for the town drunk too.

 

[Desk trauma]

<Blink>

I see. You honestly think the Democrats have completely bypassed the safeguards built into our government by the founding fathers but are so restrained that they are only using this new found power to go after one individual?

And not very well, guess they wanted to do it in hard mode with such slim majorities.

 

[stevil]

I understand, and I wasn't trying to be uncivil.


The crux of the question I'm asking is, if this is going to be propped up as a valid reason for republicans and conservative independents to vote for Harris, and left leaning outlets are going to parade it out as such with that theme in mind...

Well, it's not just "left leaning outlets. It seems news worthy to me that former Republican presidents and many former Republicans that worked for D Trump are now endorsing Democrats. We hear on supposed left leaning media when previous Democrats are now endorsing Republicans. It just news. Not some propaganda show to help one party win the election.
For those Republicans that are endorsing Harris, yes they are of course trying to get the Democrats to win, but for the outlets, they are just reporting the news.

...what's the actual nature of their objections?

apart from the stolen election claims...while that's propped up as the "reason" for this group, I'm fairly convinced that this kind of group would've popped up had Jan 6th never happened.

My reason for thinking that:
because groups like these were popping up long before the January 6th debacle. For instance, the Lincoln Project was formed 2 years prior to that with the same aims -- being "Get republicans to vote for Biden, just this once, in 2020"

Different people have different reasons, some have a higher bar than others.
Trump is repulsive in many ways, but some people have been able to tolerate him more than others.

1. Trump lies a lot. Blatant lies and says some really stupid things. Yes. of course most politicians lie from time to time.
2. Trump continues to appeal to his base and troll Democrats and their supporters. As president he didn't seem to try to be president to the whole country. I think this has been pretty unique, but I'm no USA history buff.
3. Trump has virtually no dignity, no grace, he talks a lot like a 14 year old school bully. Coming up with ungraceful, undignified nicknames for people, picking on disabled people, picking on women, picking on blacks, picking on servicemen. - He's pretty disgraceful, not just for the country but no doubt for the Republican brand and reputation too. - For this reason, some Republicans were turning on him.
4. Trump in the eyes of many, including some Republicans, is unfit for office. - He doesn't respect the separation of White house from DOJ, He doesn't understand most things such as diplomatic relations. He treats allies like garbage, he cozies up to enemies, there have been reports of Republicans in office working against Trump because they fear he will either start wars or do illegal things.
5. Trump actually does illegal things, For a long time in his first administration he has been treading the line between legal and illegal, nepotism, getting underlings to stay at his hotels, getting servicemen to stay at his hotels, putting pressure on foriegn allies to fabricate investigation into his political opponent, getting his AG to stop investigations into him and his friends, getting DOJ to put Michael Cohen back into jail because of his tell all book. Getting Vindman and his brother fired because Vindman testified against him. All these things should be huge red flags for people that hold ethics and honor and dignity in high regard.
6. We eventually come to the illegal and unconstitutional and undemocratic schemes to steal the election.

Different people have different bars, different lines that are not to be crossed.
Bill Bar as AG to Trump was willing to cross many lines, he was willing to work at Trump's beck and call, he was willing to interfere in investigations, he was firing people that were investigating Trump, he was going after Michael Cohen for writing a book that displeased Trump. But for him the line that he would not cross was saying without any evidence that their was widespread election fraud in order to help Trump with his scheme to circumvent the election votes of the people.
Pence had a similar high bar. He was willing to funnel money into Trump's bank account by travelling great distances just to stay in Trump's hotel but he was not willing to break the law for Trump by throwing out legitimate State votes.

I would say that you ought to take each endorsement separately and find out why this particular person or group is now coming forward to endorse the other side. Just as not all people on the left are the same, also not all people on the right are the same.
Just because those in the Lincon Project were working against Trump well before Trump tried to illegally steal the 2020 election that doesn't mean that George Bush or all these others now endorsing Harris had the same bar that turned them against Trump.

In 2028, when Trump is a non-factor,

I'm not assuming that in 2028 that Trump will be a non factor. He has joked in the past that a third term would be nice, or that it would be nice to be president for life.

the odds are high that a similar group of republicans who were former office holders (who no longer have skin in the game) will pop up and and urge people to vote against whoever the republican nominee that year (unless that republican candidate happens to be a pushover)

Sure. I don't know what the future holds. If a future Republican leader takes on the blueprint that Trump has created, then sure there might be many Republicans that oppose this leader.
Even in relatively mundane circumstances you will have people from either party becoming disillusioned, and switch their allegiance.


Is what is happening now, normal? Or is it extraordinary? Have you had so many people from a prior administration or prior high ups in a party turn against a guy? I guess people that have been long time supporters of the Republican party and supporters or fans or respecting of these people that hare turned to Harris, I guess it is upto those people to perhaps consider why these "respected" people have turned and whether those reasons are valid for them also. I would think it would take a lot for a life long Republican supporter to all of a sudden vote Democrat.
But in USA you do have these weird bubbles, that if people only live inside their bubble, they don't hear or don't believe the bad news about their own party or people and maybe it takes a respected person doing something like this, for them to consider "Have I missed something important".

 

[Vambram]

Surely you remember the 1986 bombing of Libya, the Iran–Iraq War, the secret and illegal sale of arms to Iran to fund the Contras?

Yes I do.

 

[Larniavc]

Yes I do.

Well you see, you keep making posts that are inconsistent with each other so I’m going to go ahead and stop posting here.

 

[Vambram]

Well you see, you keep making posts that are inconsistent with each other so I’m going to go ahead and stop posting here.

I never said that the presidency of Ronald Reagan was perfect. However, I have zero doubts that Americans and the world was better because of what was accomplished during his 8 years of office. Especially when that is compared to what I believe are the various debacles during the years of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

 

[Hammster]

Bush, McCain, and Romney Alumni for Harris Statement

Four years ago, President George W. Bush, the late Sen. John McCain, and then-Gov. Mitt Romney alumni came together to warn fellow Republicans that re-electing President Trump would be a disaster for our nation. In those declarations we stated the plain truth, each predicting that another four years of a Trump presidency would irreparably damage our beloved democracy.

We made those announcements months before lies about a stolen election became everyday talking points and six months before Trump incited an insurrection, cheering on a mob of sore losers and sycophants as they tried to use force to overturn the will of the American public.

We reunite today, joined by new George H.W. Bush alumni, to reinforce our 2020 statements and, for the first time, jointly declare that we’re voting for Vice President Kamala Harris and Gov. Tim Walz this November.

Of course, we have plenty of honest, ideological disagreements with Vice President Harris and Gov. Walz. That’s to be expected. The alternative, however, is simply untenable.

Continues...

Good. The political spectrum is finally righting itself.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Well, it's not just "left leaning outlets. It seems news worthy to me that former Republican presidents and many former Republicans that worked for D Trump are now endorsing Democrats. We hear on supposed left leaning media when previous Democrats are now endorsing Republicans. It just news. Not some propaganda show to help one party win the election.
For those Republicans that are endorsing Harris, yes they are of course trying to get the Democrats to win, but for the outlets, they are just reporting the news.

Something can be news and have ulterior political aims at the same time.

When conservative leaning outlets are posting stories about how Tulsi Gabbard is endorsing Trump, that's certainly "news", but they're fixating on that certain piece of "news" for a reason, and you'll notice the tone is different when it's reported by the various sides.

 

[stevil]

Something can be news and have ulterior political aims at the same time.

When conservative leaning outlets are posting stories about how Tulsi Gabbard is endorsing Trump, that's certainly "news", but they're fixating on that certain piece of "news" for a reason, and you'll notice the tone is different when it's reported by the various sides.

Sure, yes. But it is legitimate news and should be covered by all USA news outlets.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Will W or won't W?

All we can be sure of is that NewsMax has pre-trashed former President Bush, and Trump has shared it.

 

[wing2000]

All we can be sure of is that NewsMax has pre-trashed former President Bush, and Trump has shared it.

...of course.

I understand the only prior GOP President even mentioned at the RNC was former President Reagan.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

In my opinion, we should be placing our votes based upon a candidate's Policies instead of personality. We are all human and we should not be looking to examples of human personalities because we are all fallible people. The reasons why I voted twice before for Donald Trump is because I believe that his Policies and American First agenda are much, much better than anything that the leadership of the Democratic Party has.

THIS. And only this. We are not choosing a best friend or a soulmate. Just the best of the options (which are never great, due to the financial interests who purchase candidates) we have in front of us. We have two options now, both having been in office- one in office NOW. Choose the best policies, not the person you think would be your buddy.