Kansas votes 62% to retain the right to access an abortion in its constitution.

[RileyG]

5. Unbelief in God doesn’t necessarily entail unbelief in other supernatural phenomena. Atheists and (less so) agnostics exhibit lower levels of supernatural belief than do the wider populations. However, only minorities of atheists or agnostics in each of our countries appear to be thoroughgoing naturalists. (2.2, 2.3)

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That’s rather surprising. I think if someone believed in the supernatural it naturally would make them believe in a deity.

 

[Nithavela]

Well, if someone believes in magic or life after death or universal spirit, I question their atheism. But if you want to swap "supernatural" for "gods" in my prior post, that's fine.

Why wouldn't it be possible to believe in magic without believing in gods? Both are supernatural, but you don't need to have one in your worldview to have the other.

 

[ladodgers6]

Kansas votes to protect abortion rights in state constitution

Yay states rights.

Killing babies is a right???? Medieval times again??? Sacrificing babies to a pagan god!

 

[NxNW]

Why wouldn't it be possible to believe in magic without believing in gods? Both are supernatural, but you don't need to have one in your worldview to have the other.

We're getting off track, but I associate magic with deities. It's essentially synonymous with miracles. Maybe you can think of examples of magic in a godless universe, but none come to mind for me.

 

[Pommer]

I'm not sure you can have a supernatural without gods?

Oh sure one can, (if only theoretically, to ensure that one doesn’t miss the possibility of the supernatural “existing”); some ascribe mystical powers to certain types of mineral crystals, for example.

 

[Pommer]

We're getting off track, but I associate magic with deities. It's essentially synonymous with miracles. Maybe you can think of examples of magic in a godless universe, but none come to mind for me.

Well that we’re able to ask “is there a part of our reality that we cannot directly perceive but can infer based upon our capabilities to ask such questions in the first place?”

We are matter that has become self-aware.
That’s “magical” right there, even though it might become apparent that matter can always achieve such a state, it’s still “special”.

 

[Goonie]

Killing babies is a right???? Medieval times again??? Sacrificing babies to a pagan god!

You are replying to an old post, the supreme Court has declared the decision to be a state right.

And it is a blatant baring of false witness to claim anyone is sacrificing babies to a pagan god.

 

[ladodgers6]

You are replying to an old post, the supreme Court has declared the decision to be a state right.

And it is a blatant baring of false witness to claim anyone is sacrificing babies to a pagan god.

Well, I guess you do not understand. I don't care who declared it a state right. Murder is murder no matter how you slice it (Pun intended). Why do you think it's called an abortion? Life is being aborted, and I side on the side of Life, than on someone's choice to kill it. You should research the abortion procedure for abortion, if you dare too. Murder is the Devils will, not God's. And I don't care if I get so-called cancelled or get called names, or judged. Most people, especially liberals, progressive liberals care more about being popular than doing what is right.

Passing Laws like in California where a man over 21 can have sex with a 14 year old, and will not face any legal ramifications because it's unfair for the LGBTQ+ community, is just absurd and evil. Another Law passed in California is a 14 year old can get off-label cancer drugs without parent consent is delusional and mind boggling. This is how they chemically castrate sexual predators in prison.

Sorry, but I am going to fight for our children and not stand silent.​

 

[rjs330]

Yet I have seen Christians on here proclaim with great confidence ideas never expressed in the bible and try to attribute it to God.

Yes you CAN know if it's written in the scripture.

I've also seen Christians proclaim things that are not expressed in scripture. But it's rather easy to determine if its them or actual scripture.

But to say we don't know, is not correct. Of course we can know. They have been revealed to us.

But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words. Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:10, 1 Corinthians 2:11, 1 Corinthians 2:12, 1 Corinthians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 2:14, 1 Corinthians 2:15, 1 Corinthians 2:16 - American Standard Version

One thing that can be done is to ask the person where thatbis found in scripture. Then you can see for yourself if it's really there or not.

But it's obvious that we can know what God thinks. I think it's clear about many things. For example,

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 3:22, Romans 3:23 - American Standard Version

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;

www.biblegateway.com

 

[The Barbarian]

Observations support the conclusion that there is nothing, rather than something. The total of mass and energy in the universe is consistent with zero.

And yet, we are here. But you are correct, the net energy of the Universe seems to be zero. (mass and energy can be packaged)

A rather elegant solution for making something from nothing, I think.

 

[The Barbarian]

Passing Laws like in California where a man over 21 can have sex with a 14 year old, and will not face any legal ramifications because it's unfair for the LGBTQ+ community, is just absurd and evil.

This sounds a bit like Canada...
In Canada, the age of consent is 16, but there are three close-in-age exemptions: sex with minors aged 14-15 is permitted if the partner is less than five years older, sex with minors aged 12-13 is permitted if the partner is less than two years older, and sex with minors aged 0-11 is permitted if the partner is 12

Age of consent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But nothing to do with LGBTQ or California:
California does not have a close-in-age exemption. Close in age exemptions, commonly known as "Romeo and Juliet laws", are put in place to prevent the prosecution of individuals who engage in consensual sexual activity when both participants are significantly close in age to each other, and one or both partners are below the age of consent.
Because there is no such "Romeo and Juliet law" in California, it is possible for two individuals both under the age of 18 who willingly engage in intercourse to both be prosecuted for statutory rape, although this is rare. Similarly, no protections are reserved for sexual relations in which one participant is a 17 year old and the second is a 18 or 19 year old.

California Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws

www.ageofconsent.net

When someone tells you something that you really, really want to be true, that's when you should be most skeptical. Because that's when we are easiest to fool.

 

[NxNW]

And yet, we are here. But you are correct, the net energy of the Universe seems to be zero. (mass and energy can be packaged)

A rather elegant solution for making something from nothing, I think.

I think of it this way: you can have a fistful of cash but still have a net worth of zero.

 

[The Barbarian]

I think of it this way: you can have a fistful of cash but still have a net worth of zero.

Right. But until the day of reckoning, a lot of things can happen to that cash. This suggests that the universe had a beginning, and will have an effective end.

 

[Desk trauma]

You are replying to an old post, the supreme Court has declared the decision to be a state right

The ruling didn’t exclude federal legislation.

 

[Belk]

Yes you CAN know if it's written in the scripture.

I've also seen Christians proclaim things that are not expressed in scripture. But it's rather easy to determine if its them or actual scripture.

But to say we don't know, is not correct. Of course we can know. They have been revealed to us.

But unto us God revealed them through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For who among men knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of the man, which is in him? even so the things of God none knoweth, save the Spirit of God. But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words. Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 2:10, 1 Corinthians 2:11, 1 Corinthians 2:12, 1 Corinthians 2:13, 1 Corinthians 2:14, 1 Corinthians 2:15, 1 Corinthians 2:16 - American Standard Version

One thing that can be done is to ask the person where thatbis found in scripture. Then you can see for yourself if it's really there or not.

But it's obvious that we can know what God thinks. I think it's clear about many things. For example,

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 3:22, Romans 3:23 - American Standard Version

even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;

www.biblegateway.com

Yeah no. You can know what God communicates, but that is not what he thinks.

Look at it this way. If a human could communicate with an ant we could certainly talk about things that are within an ant's view. We could convey the importance of gathering resources for instance. But the any could never understand the idea of hog futures or other advances concepts.

God would be infinitely far beyond how far we are beyond ants. We could never understand what he thinks.

 

[The Barbarian]

The ruling didn’t exclude federal legislation.

This is correct. The federal government could legalize abortion nationwide, using Hamilton's scheme. If it involves interstate commerce in any way, it's the province of the federal government.

Of course, the SCOTUS could invalidate the interstate commerce clause, but I don't think they are radical enough to do it.

 

[Bradskii]

5. Unbelief in God doesn’t necessarily entail unbelief in other supernatural phenomena. Atheists and (less so) agnostics exhibit lower levels of supernatural belief than do the wider populations. However, only minorities of atheists or agnostics in each of our countries appear to be thoroughgoing naturalists. (2.2, 2.3)

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That's kinda depressing.

 

[Bradskii]

Oh sure one can, (if only theoretically, to ensure that one doesn’t miss the possibility of the supernatural “existing”); some ascribe mystical powers to certain types of mineral crystals, for example.

I must admit I don't get it. 'Jesus didn't rise from the dead, that's nonsensical. But the moon is in the seventh house and I can see Uranus rising, so today is a good day for cleaning the spare room'.

Apologies for the schoolboy humour...

 

[Pommer]

I must admit I don't get it. 'Jesus didn't rise from the dead, that's nonsensical. But the moon is in the seventh house and I can see Uranus rising, so today is a good day for cleaning the spare room'.

Apologies for the schoolboy humour...

We ALL believe things that may not be objectively true, but if these things help get us through our day and don’t impinge on other’s lives, c’est le vie.

 

[The Barbarian]

We ALL believe things that may not be objectively true, but if these things help get us through our day and don’t impinge on other’s lives, c’est le vie.

"We all have to believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink."
W.C. Fields.