Silencing Jordan Peterson... Canada takes action.

[ralliann]

As you are free to say. All should have that right.

Amazing that people think this is ok, but only for one side.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Amazing that people think this is ok, but only one side.

Despite Peterson's whining, this is not about sides. This is about him using unprofessional language that cannot be repeated here.

It is not about the content of his speech, but its unprofessional style when addressing professional topics.

 

[ralliann]

Despite Peterson's whining, this is not about sides. This is about him using unprofessional language that cannot be repeated here.

It is not about the content of his speech, but its unprofessional style when addressing professional topics.

An example as the article gives...
"For example, British Columbia nurse Amy Hamm, who also writes columns for the National Post, is facing a disciplinary hearing over her support for the views of author J.K. Rowling, which includes sponsoring a billboard on Hastings Street in Vancouver reading “l love J.K. Rowling.” "

It is about controlling speech.

 

[essentialsaltes]

An example as the article gives...
"For example, British Columbia nurse Amy Hamm,

You're changing the topic from Jordan Peterson. Nevertheless...

On social media, Hamm has tweeted sentiments such as "we have eyeballs and we will continue to use them to misgender you." [<--- that right there is disrespectful] She has suggested adults who identify as non-binary are making "an extremely embarrassing display of narcissism and low intelligence." [<--- that right there is disrespectful]

Hamm acknowledged to the panel that some of her social media posts might come across as offensive

 

[ralliann]

You're changing the topic from Jordan Peterson. Nevertheless...

On social media, Hamm has tweeted sentiments such as "we have eyeballs and we will continue to use them to misgender you." [<--- that right there is disrespectful] She has suggested adults who identify as non-binary are making "an extremely embarrassing display of narcissism and low intelligence." [<--- that right there is disrespectful]

Hamm acknowledged to the panel that some of her social media posts might come across as offensive

People can be offended on both sides. It is just one side that gets silenced.

 

[ralliann]

You're changing the topic from Jordan Peterson. Nevertheless...

On social media, Hamm has tweeted sentiments such as "we have eyeballs and we will continue to use them to misgender you." [<--- that right there is disrespectful] She has suggested adults who identify as non-binary are making "an extremely embarrassing display of narcissism and low intelligence." [<--- that right there is disrespectful]

Hamm acknowledged to the panel that some of her social media posts might come across as offensive

Look at this example from the article
"In Quebec, meanwhile, a doctor was suspended for three months for arguing with a transgender patient about the use of pronouns and whether or not the patient was a man responding that the patient was genetically female, and that, at least until that point, the patient remained a woman biologically."

Trans speaks to transitioning from one gender to another PHYSICALLY. But the doctor was disciplined for acting on that...

 

[essentialsaltes]

People can be offended on both sides. It is just one side that gets silenced.

Nobody's being silenced. But plenty of professionals are losing their jobs or facing discipline for unprofessional speech.

Illinois comptroller’s office attorney fired for antisemitic ‘gas chamber’ comments​

She said she was distraught over the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and grew frustrated with the way the conflict was being covered by the media and discussed on social media.

Chowdhury is just the latest in a string of Americans who have lost their jobs over antisemitic remarks in recent days.

Citibank announced Thursday it fired one of its staffers after she posted “revolting” commentary on Instagram that endorsed the mass murder of Jewish people during the Holocaust.

An Atlanta cancer doctor has also been put on leave after sharing a pro-Hamas Facebook post, where she celebrated the “glory” of the terrorist group and wished for “no peace on stolen land.”

 

[essentialsaltes]

Look at this example from the article
"In Quebec, meanwhile, a doctor was suspended for three months for arguing with a transgender patient about the use of pronouns

Your previous hero, Amy Hamm:

Hamm told the panel that she always uses people's preferred pronouns at work

Doing otherwise is disrespectful.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

She has suggested adults who identify as non-binary are making "an extremely embarrassing display of narcissism and low intelligence." [<--- that right there is disrespectful]

I would tend to her agree with her sentiments on the narcissism aspect for a large number of the folks who identify as such.

I do think for many who publicly identify that way (and make demands about using some Ze/Zir pronouns that were made up in 2013), it is about the imposition, and wanting to sit at "the cool table" in progressive circles, and have something lord over other people with by being able to tell others they "need to educate themselves" in order to make themselves be perceived as "more enlightened"

For the record, clinical results would indicate that her assertion regarding narcissistic personality disorder isn't entirely off base.

Per the NIH:
One study found that NPD is the most common personality disorder in transgender and non-binary patients, the study found that 57.1% of patients had NPD.

Another study found: nearly 50% prevalence rate of any PD diagnosis in the current sample is consistent with previous findings on a sample of transgender/non-binary people with DSM-IV “gender identity disorder.” For example, in the study by Madeddu et al. [20], using the SCID-II, an overall prevalence of PDs of 52% was found (with narcissistic PD showing the highest prevalence in the overall sample).

 

[ralliann]

Your previous hero, Amy Hamm:

Hamm told the panel that she always uses people's preferred pronouns at work

Doing otherwise is disrespectful.

Showing personal opinions is free speech. Not promoting Murder etc.

 

[timothyu]

Everyone wants their own truths but the truth is... there is only one.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Peterson's choice of words can definitely have repercussions.

Did the choice to use "harsh" words really matter here? They've gotten just as bent out of shape when he's said things without the crass words and hyperbole as well.

Had he not been so harsh, and said something to the effect of...

(doing my best kermit the frog-like Peterson voice impression)
"It's my professional opinion that one identifying themselves as non-binary is not grounded in reality, but rather it's the outgrowth of a delusion combined with narcissism and the desire to belong to the group that their political and ideological peers seem to revere and put on a pedestal"

Would that have made the least bit of difference? Or would there still be some 20-something year old philosophy majors with a pink half-mullet and a nose ring yelling "bigot" and "transphobe" outside his next speaking engagement, and groups like Egale still trying to put pressure on the industry to "shape their consensus" in a way that lines up with their specific viewpoint?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Despite Peterson's whining, this is not about sides. This is about him using unprofessional language that cannot be repeated here.

It is not about the content of his speech, but its unprofessional style when addressing professional topics.

What is 'professional' being meant to mean ?

 

[essentialsaltes]

What is 'professional' being meant to mean ?

There are a couple senses.

Being a psychologist is a profession. In Peterson's case, it is watched over by a professional (i.e. relating to a profession) society that imposes a code of professional (ditto) ethics for its members. Among the rules are to use professional (i.e. exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner) language when representing oneself as a professional (i.e. a member of a given profession).

Calling someone a child of a lady-dog does not meet that standard.

 

[rjs330]

An example as the article gives...
"For example, British Columbia nurse Amy Hamm, who also writes columns for the National Post, is facing a disciplinary hearing over her support for the views of author J.K. Rowling, which includes sponsoring a billboard on Hastings Street in Vancouver reading “l love J.K. Rowling.” "

It is about controlling speech.

Absolutely it is. The mantra is simply "If we don't like what you have to say it's offensive and bad things should happen to you."

 

[rjs330]

Nobody's being silenced. But plenty of professionals are losing their jobs or facing discipline for unprofessional speech.

Illinois comptroller’s office attorney fired for antisemitic ‘gas chamber’ comments​

She said she was distraught over the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and grew frustrated with the way the conflict was being covered by the media and discussed on social media.

Chowdhury is just the latest in a string of Americans who have lost their jobs over antisemitic remarks in recent days.

Citibank announced Thursday it fired one of its staffers after she posted “revolting” commentary on Instagram that endorsed the mass murder of Jewish people during the Holocaust.

An Atlanta cancer doctor has also been put on leave after sharing a pro-Hamas Facebook post, where she celebrated the “glory” of the terrorist group and wished for “no peace on stolen land.”

Sounds reasonable to me. Lauding mass murder is quite different than saying someone is stupid or lazy or not very good looking. I'd say those people were idiots.

I'm sure you see no difference at all between praising mass murder and calling someone stupid.

That seems to be an issue with the left. Silence is violence. Or calling someone a female dog is the same thing as promoting mass murder.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'm sure you see no difference at all between praising mass murder and calling someone stupid.

In terms of actual First Amendment free speech protections, no. There's no difference.

 

[Paidiske]

I understand what you're saying here, in theory, but where's the limiting principle?...
If a clinician gives their honest opinion about something that they honestly see as a problem, that's going to occasionally cross some peoples' comfort zones.

Well, given that most mental health professionals manage to comport themselves in ways which never draw such sanction, I'm not buying the idea that the expectations of professional conduct are really so onerous.

Some of the reported statements are egregious. I'd expect to be pulled up if I made them publicly, and I have nowhere near the profile of a Jordan Peterson.

What's being branded as "emotional safety" and "disrespectful" is something of a moving target, and one that seemingly aims to cater to the sensibilities of one particular political faction.

Because the other side of politics is less concerned with the safety and wellbeing of vulnerable people....?

Perhaps that was a cheap shot. But that is how this comes across.

 

[timothyu]

The mantra is simply "If we don't like what you have to say it's offensive and bad things should happen to you."

The tradition of witch hunts, inquisitions and the like carries on, and for the same purposes. Mankind never learns.

 

[rjs330]

Nobody's being silenced. But plenty of professionals are losing their jobs or facing discipline for unprofessional speech.

Illinois comptroller’s office attorney fired for antisemitic ‘gas chamber’ comments​

She said she was distraught over the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and grew frustrated with the way the conflict was being covered by the media and discussed on social media.

Chowdhury is just the latest in a string of Americans who have lost their jobs over antisemitic remarks in recent days.

Citibank announced Thursday it fired one of its staffers after she posted “revolting” commentary on Instagram that endorsed the mass murder of Jewish people during the Holocaust.

An Atlanta cancer doctor has also been put on leave after sharing a pro-Hamas Facebook post, where she celebrated the “glory” of the terrorist group and wished for “no peace on stolen land.”

Sounds reasonable to me. Lauding mass murder is quite different than saying someone is stupid or lazy or not very good looking. I'd say those people were idiots.

I'm sure you see no difference at all between praising mass murder and calling someone

In terms of actual First Amendment free speech protections, no. There's no difference.

I thought there were no protections offered by the first ammendment. I'm confused as to what you believe.