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While it is true there was no stolen election, Trump’s followers did try to prevent the certification of it. Fortunately, they didn't succeed.
No he didn't try before. Needless to say if the nation could be taken over that easily there's any number of people who could pull it off. No domestic is capable of taking over the nation by force without full control of the US military.
Sounds like Walz was brought in as a countermeasure to Vance's background.Both candidates claim to represent middle class America.....
When Tim Walz was elected governor of Minnesota four years earlier, his family was living in a heavily mortgaged Cape Cod-style house, with one room rented out, about 90 miles from Minneapolis. After moving into the governor’s mansion, they sold the house for $304,000 — less than the asking price.
These real estate transactions are just one example of the vast gulf in wealth between the two vice-presidential candidates. On their tax return for 2023, the Walzes reported $299,000 in income, more than they had declared in years. Mr. Vance, a multimillionaire, had more than that in just his checking accounts the year before, according to his most recent financial disclosure form.
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Mr. Vance, 39, and his wife, Usha, 38, who was a corporate litigator at a prestigious law firm based in San Francisco before resigning last month, listed about $4.4 million to $11.5 million in assets in 2022. That included holdings Mr. Vance reported in recent days, but not the value of the couple’s homes.
A Financial Tale of Two Potential Vice Presidents
JD Vance and Tim Walz both came from modest backgrounds, but they have had very different trajectories when it comes to their personal fortunes.www.nytimes.com
The problem is when good systems and standards are replaced with bad ones.
Fake electors, claim after claim of massive voter fraud without a shred of evidence, 60+ court challenge losses, again without any evidence whatsoever (not that the claim was actually fraud in court, where there are penalties for lying)...
Which could be why it didn't work. Also, they didn't seem very good at it.
I meant he didn't try via civilians storming the capitol building on their own volition. Other efforts made by Trump are reminiscent of all the failed efforts to remove him from office at the tax payers expense. There's no army of civilians practicing overthrowing the government.
You seem to remember January 6, 2021 differently than the rest of us.
Really? Reminiscent in what way? The only attempts to remove Trump from office were two impeachments...both presented with evidence, even though the Senate chose not to view it. And, even then, while most Senators voted to remove him, there weren't enough votes to actually do so. Nothing illegal in that at all, not like the fake electors business.
That we know of.
Citizens decided to enter the capitol building and then they went home. Also some people decided to pose as electors. Democrat politicians staged numerous investigations and hearings, at the tax payers expense, in failed attempts to overthrow the presidency. Again, if a civilian force can take over the nation, there are citizens who could and would organize such a force and do so. And of course if that was the case, the US wouldn't stand a chance against a military invasion from an enemy nation.
Yup, you do seem to remember January 6, 2021 differently than the rest of us.
Just one of those spontaneous posing as electors flash mobs that just happen from time to time, right?
Really? When did these happen? I must have missed it....somehow.
Again, I never said one did. I said they tried.
And some were arrested much later. But the point is...what were they trying to do when the stormed the capitol? They were trying to stop the certification of the 2020 election, one that Trump said was rigged, despite having no evidence whatsoever for that claim. They were told to fight or they "won't have a country anymore."
Which proved there were connections between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, resulting in charges against 34 individuals and 3 companies, 8 guilty pleas, and a conviction at trial.
He also said "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
That's true. However, there are many who believed that's what he wanted, and they tried to use that as a rationale for their actions at their criminal trials.
No, they impeached him twice, using entirely legal and constitutional means, with evidence provided to prove the charges. A majority of the Senate did vote to remove him from office (despite not viewing any of the evidence), but the vote did not reach the required threshold to actually remove him. No "overthrow" was intended, nor attempted.
And yet, somehow, we're supposed to believe the Democratic Party did this without leaving even a single shred of evidence behind, nor a single person willing to admit their role in the supposed organized effort. Amazing.
You say "freak out," we say "have perfectly rational concerns, based on his past actions."
The impeachments are all you know/remember. But there's been a lot of shenanigans in trying to get him out of office and to keep him from getting back into office. What we know now about how voting went, wasn't known at the time. Trump had a reasonably good presidency. Certainly nothing occurred to have people losing their minds over the idea of a second term.
Such as all the hearings and investigations that have been in the news over the last 8 years. And no, I'm not going to Google them for you.
You mean the many charges Trump has been indicted for, as well as those he's been found guilty of?
