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Pretty cool Mass this morning

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We had a guest priest, a member of a missionary religious order who had spent decades in East Africa and in China (before the government there cracked down on religious activities).

He was full of neat stories about stuff he had encountered in Africa, and even taught us some responses in Swahili. :) He also sang the entire Liturgy of the Eucharist. It was amazing; it reminded me of the old High Mass from back in the day. :)

All in all, a very neat Mass.
 

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We had a guest priest, a member of a missionary religious order who had spent decades in East Africa and in China (before the government there cracked down on religious activities).

He was full of neat stories about stuff he had encountered in Africa, and even taught us some responses in Swahili. :) He also sang the entire Liturgy of the Eucharist. It was amazing; it reminded me of the old High Mass from back in the day. :)

All in all, a very neat Mass.
Our Mass was not as cool. :)
 
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I'm sorry. :cry:
Well hey, not everything can be cool. At least every Mass has a Eucharist and a reading of the Gospel. That is all that matters.
 
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We had a guest priest, a member of a missionary religious order who had spent decades in East Africa and in China (before the government there cracked down on religious activities).

He was full of neat stories about stuff he had encountered in Africa, and even taught us some responses in Swahili. :) He also sang the entire Liturgy of the Eucharist. It was amazing; it reminded me of the old High Mass from back in the day. :)

All in all, a very neat Mass.
Wonderful isn’t it. I got to go back to my old parish today and hear Fr. Beda from Uganda. His parish is a sister parish to this one and great things are happening there. The new pastor at my old parish wears a … cassock and so does the associate! Jayne, the music director has added in a bit more Latin to the repertoire and the place has fully recovered from Covid and was actually rather crowded. My parish is getting there but this place was crowded. Reminded me of fall of 2001 crowds.

Best part aside from attending a holy mass was catching up with more than a dozen old friends.
 
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Wonderful isn’t it. I got to go back to my old parish today and hear Fr. Beda from Uganda. His parish is a sister parish to this one and great things are happening there. The new pastor at my old parish wears a … cassock and so does the associate! Jayne, the music director has added in a bit more Latin to the repertoire and the place has fully recovered from Covid and was actually rather crowded. My parish is getting there but this place was crowded. Reminded me of fall of 2001 crowds.

Best part aside from attending a holy mass was catching up with more than a dozen old friends.
We actually seem to be seeing a lot more cassocks on the younger priests in this diocese, as well as more Latin and traditional touches like kneelers being used for altar rails for those who wish to kneel at Communion. The young men being ordained here lately all seem to be overwhelmingly conservative. No felt banners in their churches, no guitars, kazoos, or drum sets. It gives me cheer and hope.

Francis, of course, would say that they're simply backwards Americans, trying to live in the past, blah, blah, blah. :(
 
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We actually seem to be seeing a lot more cassocks on the younger priests in this diocese, as well as more Latin and traditional touches like kneelers being used for altar rails for those who wish to kneel at Communion. The young men being ordained here lately all seem to be overwhelmingly conservative. No felt banners in their churches, no guitars, kazoos, or drum sets. It gives me cheer and hope.

Francis, of course, would say that they're simply backwards Americans, trying to live in the past, blah, blah, blah. :(
Your church uses a kazoo? Our noon Mass has contemporary music but I dont know what instruments are played. The rest of the Masses have a piano and, rarely, an organ. I kind of miss the contemporary praise band at my old Lutheran. Church
 
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Your church uses a kazoo? Our noon Mass has contemporary music but I dont know what instruments are played. The rest of the Masses have a piano and, rarely, an organ. I kind of miss the contemporary praise band at my old Lutheran. Church
I was being facetious. :) I've never seen a kazoo used at a Mass, but I have seen penny whistles and harmonicas. :(

My parish uses predominantly organ, and some piano. Older hymns, mostly---they tend to avoid the worst of the post-Vatican II horrors penned by Schuette, Haugen, Haas, etc. And I love the organist's voice: she sort of reminds me of Betty Boop, in a way, but not so squeaky. :)
 
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I was being facetious. :) I've never seen a kazoo used at a Mass, but I have seen penny whistles and harmonicas. :(

My parish uses predominantly organ, and some piano. Older hymns, mostly---they tend to avoid the worst of the post-Vatican II horrors penned by Schuette, Haugen, Haas, etc. And I love the organist's voice: she sort of reminds me of Betty Boop, in a way, but not so squeaky. :)
This is a first for me. Last week my church used a harp. Not an autoharp but a real huge harp. It was really pretty good with piano accompaniment. Never saw that before.
 
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We actually seem to be seeing a lot more cassocks on the younger priests in this diocese, as well as more Latin and traditional touches like kneelers being used for altar rails for those who wish to kneel at Communion. The young men being ordained here lately all seem to be overwhelmingly conservative. No felt banners in their churches, no guitars, kazoos, or drum sets. It gives me cheer and hope.

Francis, of course, would say that they're simply backwards Americans, trying to live in the past, blah, blah, blah. :(
Good! The Holy Spirit is definitely cleaning up this mess! Thanks be to God! :D
 
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This is a first for me. Last week my church used a harp. Not an autoharp but a real huge harp. It was really pretty good with piano accompaniment. Never saw that before.
That's awesome! Thankfully, I live in a diocese where there are virtually no guitar masses. For some reason, they just annoyed me. My home parish where I grew up had a lady always play the guitar. I found it...too "modern."
 
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This is a first for me. Last week my church used a harp. Not an autoharp but a real huge harp. It was really pretty good with piano accompaniment. Never saw that before.
Our organist plays a harp during Holy Communion as a meditation. It's beautiful.
 
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This is a first for me. Last week my church used a harp. Not an autoharp but a real huge harp. It was really pretty good with piano accompaniment. Never saw that before.
I’d love that. The Lutheran Church I used to go to had a harp at either Christmas or Easter. I think Christmas. It was beautiful.
 
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I’d love that. The Lutheran Church I used to go to had a harp at either Christmas or Easter. I think Christmas. It was beautiful.
If I recall correctly, there was a harp at this past Christmas Eve Mass. I think.

Very lovely indeed.
 
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Wonderful isn’t it. I got to go back to my old parish today and hear Fr. Beda from Uganda. His parish is a sister parish to this one and great things are happening there. The new pastor at my old parish wears a … cassock and so does the associate! Jayne, the music director has added in a bit more Latin to the repertoire and the place has fully recovered from Covid and was actually rather crowded. My parish is getting there but this place was crowded. Reminded me of fall of 2001 crowds.

Best part aside from attending a holy mass was catching up with more than a dozen old friends.
We actually seem to be seeing a lot more cassocks on the younger priests in this diocese, as well as more Latin and traditional touches like kneelers being used for altar rails for those who wish to kneel at Communion. The young men being ordained here lately all seem to be overwhelmingly conservative. No felt banners in their churches, no guitars, kazoos, or drum sets. It gives me cheer and hope.

Francis, of course, would say that they're simply backwards Americans, trying to live in the past, blah, blah, blah. :(
Can I ask you two mature fellas a question?

You know I've been around here alot; came back to the RC last year. What you don't know is that I've got serious concerns about following the leadership of a pope I see as progressive, woke, and a globalist. (And that is my issue to figure out; for now, I'm in limbo.) But that's not why I'm here. It's something else ...

Earlier this week, I was confronted on CF by a younger, woke, fairly intelligent member. Not agreeing with his progressive moral views, he told me I was a 'hopeless' (something) and a 'prisoner of the past' if I wasn't able to basically evolve and change my views (to his progressive ones).

What he said didn't bother me ... because I am always hopeful in Christ, and don't see traditional moral values as a 'prison'. So I didn't take offense. But the convo did open my eyes wide to how many on the left, and many of them younger, do see us older folks. We are outdated, to them. 'Hopeless'.

The RC in my area continues to really struggle. Two and three parishes continue to unite as one, under one priest. Membership continues to decline; there is a priest shortage, too. But there are two large parishes that continue to thrive. One is definitely progressive Vatican II. The other has signs of traditionalism in it. It is like a contest, watching the membership numbers in both of these big parishes mutually grow from month to month. The race is currently tied!

You both had good experiences in your churches last weekend. Cool! And you both appear not to have caught the woke virus. Very cool! So, within the churches where you go, are there still many non-woke members to be found in them? Or are they 'few and far between', like the media would like to have us believe?
 
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Can I ask you two mature fellas a question?

You know I've been around here alot; came back to the RC last year. What you don't know is that I've got serious concerns about following the leadership of a pope I see as progressive, woke, and a globalist. (And that is my issue to figure out; for now, I'm in limbo.) But that's not why I'm here. It's something else ...
I've got serious concerns along those exact lines too. My resolution is to pray for the dude and to pray that his successor be well formed. So far I don't think that pope Francis has messed with infallible teaching. He has made a grand mess though, and it will take more than my lifetime to fix it. But that's not addressing your question.
Earlier this week, I was confronted on CF by a younger, woke, fairly intelligent member. Not agreeing with his progressive moral views, he told me I was a 'hopeless' (something) and a 'prisoner of the past' if I wasn't able to basically evolve and change my views (to his progressive ones).
I bet he called you an 'indietrist', which is to say a 'backwardist'. Wear it as a badge of honor.
What he said didn't bother me ... because I am always hopeful in Christ, and don't see traditional moral values as a 'prison'. So I didn't take offense. But the convo did open my eyes wide to how many on the left, and many of them younger, do see us older folks. We are outdated, to them. 'Hopeless'.
It's not always an age thing. Plenty of twenty-somethings lean traditional and plenty of baby-boomers lean woke. We will be hopelessly outdated to any of the hard left no matter if we are old farts like me or young farts like my grandchildren. We shouldn't reciprocate but should pray for the hard leftists.
The RC in my area continues to really struggle. Two and three parishes continue to unite as one, under one priest. Membership continues to decline; there is a priest shortage, too. But there are two large parishes that continue to thrive. One is definitely progressive Vatican II. The other has signs of traditionalism in it. It is like a contest, watching the membership numbers in both of these big parishes mutually grow from month to month. The race is currently tied!

You both had good experiences in your churches last weekend. Cool! And you both appear not to have caught the woke virus. Very cool! So, within the churches where you go, are there still many non-woke members to be found in them? Or are they 'few and far between', like the media would like to have us believe?
My old parish that I visited last weekend would be unwoke, and yet not TLM, leaning Latin (Kyrie in Greek), leaning traditional, just solid. My new parish would be unwoke too, and not TLM, with an occasional Latin Sanctus, leaning charismatic, and also solid. Both have schools attached, and both have lots of children. Women with veils are uncommon in both, maybe 3% at each, but it's not looked down on. Both allow communion on the tongue but do not require it. My current parish puts a stress on confession, my old one did a drive up confession during Covid. Both have vocations. My old parish has spawned three bishops in my time there, my friend former pastor and now retired bishop LeVoir, former pastor and now bishop Izen, and now bishop Williams that got sent to New Jersey (my kids went to school with the Williams kids at the parish school). My new parish had five seminarians at once, one just ordained now.

I would guess that the woke and the unwoke tend to separate out into woke and unwoke parishes with lots of people still muddling along in muddling parishes. I would recommend staying clear of muddling parishes mostly because you want to be in a parish where you are consistently tugged in a faithful direction.

Pope John Paul II relaxed the rules about attending your geographical parish. He did so because he knew that some parishes were bad news. He basically allowed us to vote with our feet. So feel free. Pick a good parish. Leave the rest behind. Let the dead bury the dead. It's a sad thing to say, but it's true. Not all parishes are wonderful. And the woke virus is spreading. A good parish needs your support. The woke ones shouldn't be getting a dime.

A good bishop is not always easy to find. My archbishop has reached retirement age. And that scares me. Not that he was a great bishop particularly, being more or less OK, but who does pope Francis have in mind for us? Bishop Stowe? Here's where it may make sense to drive to another diocese (just across the river for me) for mass, or even to move. Bishop's matter.
 
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I've got serious concerns along those exact lines too. My resolution is to pray for the dude and to pray that his successor be well formed. So far I don't think that pope Francis has messed with infallible teaching. He has made a grand mess though, and it will take more than my lifetime to fix it. But that's not addressing your question.

I bet he called you an 'indietrist', which is to say a 'backwardist'. Wear it as a badge of honor.

It's not always an age thing. Plenty of twenty-somethings lean traditional and plenty of baby-boomers lean woke. We will be hopelessly outdated to any of the hard left no matter if we are old farts like me or young farts like my grandchildren. We shouldn't reciprocate but should pray for the hard leftists.

My old parish that I visited last weekend would be unwoke, and yet not TLM, leaning Latin (Kyrie in Greek), leaning traditional, just solid. My new parish would be unwoke too, and not TLM, with an occasional Latin Sanctus, leaning charismatic, and also solid. Both have schools attached, and both have lots of children. Women with veils are uncommon in both, maybe 3% at each, but it's not looked down on. Both allow communion on the tongue but do not require it. My current parish puts a stress on confession, my old one did a drive up confession during Covid. Both have vocations. My old parish has spawned three bishops in my time there, my friend former pastor and now retired bishop LeVoir, former pastor and now bishop Izen, and now bishop Williams that got sent to New Jersey (my kids went to school with the Williams kids at the parish school). My new parish had five seminarians at once, one just ordained now.

I would guess that the woke and the unwoke tend to separate out into woke and unwoke parishes with lots of people still muddling along in muddling parishes. I would recommend staying clear of muddling parishes mostly because you want to be in a parish where you are consistently tugged in a faithful direction.

Pope John Paul II relaxed the rules about attending your geographical parish. He did so because he knew that some parishes were bad news. He basically allowed us to vote with our feet. So feel free. Pick a good parish. Leave the rest behind. Let the dead bury the dead. It's a sad thing to say, but it's true. Not all parishes are wonderful. And the woke virus is spreading. A good parish needs your support. The woke ones shouldn't be getting a dime.

A good bishop is not always easy to find. My archbishop has reached retirement age. And that scares me. Not that he was a great bishop particularly, being more or less OK, but who does pope Francis have in mind for us? Bishop Stowe? Here's where it may make sense to drive to another diocese (just across the river for me) for mass, or even to move. Bishop's matter.
That's helpful 'insider' stuff ... thanks, chevy!

Sometimes I get too much negative Church info on the internet ...
sometimes I read and hear too many conflicting Catholic voices ...
to where things all sound a mess.

I've tailored back on all of that.
I'm using the DuckDuckGo browser now, so I only see the news I want to see.

And if issues get heated within the RC (Oct 2024 Synod?), I won't be around to read all the disturbing headlines.
Maybe I'm weak, but all the negativity has a negative impact on my spiritual 'morale'.
I'm doing better spiritually now, having backed off from alot of the negativity.
(Even Trad podcasts, not following so closely.)

I do need to make some new local IRL friends.
No sense for me to go to a Church, where the membership is predominantly woke.
We just wont have much in common ...
 
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