Fellowship True spiritual warfare (read the ruleset before you post)

[mourningdove~]

Such a subject as this is not really accepted by everyone in the body of Christ.

Yes, unfortunately.
The enemy must love it, how many do not realize the battle we are in.

I don't advocate everyone and their grandma trying to involve themselves into such things, but there are people who are innocently caught up in such things, who somehow got on the bad side of someone involved in this that need help, whom GOD might lead them to this particular thread, hence one of the reasons I started it.

To be completely unaware, can be a dangerous thing.
Yes, some guidance is good. Potentially helpful.

 

[the_nazarene]

If anything, it could be put into a book. There are many areas that I've not talked about, as well as better explanations of certain subjects. We'll see what GOD wants to do.

Awesome! I look forward to seeing what God has in store.

 

[the_nazarene]

Word travels in the spirit realm, and they will not want to take chances with you.

Could you please touch on this a little more? I've never heard this before.

 

[ARBITER01]

Could you please touch on this a little more? I've never heard this before.

This relates to the section in Acts 19,..

Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12 insomuch that unto the sick were carried away from his body handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out.
Act 19:13 But certain also of the strolling Jews, exorcists, took upon them to name over them which had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, a chief priest, which did this.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said unto them, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and mastered both of them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Act 19:17 And this became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, that dwelt at Ephesus; and fear fell upon them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.

People who are the more Spiritual types, ones that are constantly in prayer everyday and moving things for GOD, will be known in the spiritual realm of evil spirits. If you are a threat to their territory, they will know about you, hence word travels fast in that realm. They don't want to be around someone that can bind and cast them down into the pitt, that might realize their presence and do just that.

If you have more fellowship questions, ask away.

 

[johansen]

They pontificate about different sections of scripture and give historical views and recollections about such things, but they don't really include anything of substance that is useful in situations. Worse yet, they might include things that are not really scriptural, like the pleading of the blood stuff

Yes, i have not found any books that deal with the stuff i have experienced. i tend to think the reason why is because God wants to keep the knowledge of such things out of the public sphere.

Did meet one person however, who plainly told me what was going on in my mind. it is something that is regarded by virtually everyone as "that's not possible" followed by "God would never allow that. he said he had seen it a few times before. he explained how to fix it, and i mostly did what he told me to do.. except that.. well i'll get to that...

You can also be shown people who are filled with these things at times, when they start to cuss at you in stores and such.

yes this is where my wife is presently at. she hasn't learned yet to tell the demons in them to shut up.

I'm different, always have been. I seem to have this ability to sit down next to a demonized person, the demons shut up and hide. the person feels safe with me, spills their secrets, confesses sin, i pray for them, they then either have a righteous response to this or an evil one.
Back in 2012 I once gave a homeless person some money and found him again 2 months later and we sat and talked for 2 hours. At the end of those 2 hours he seemed to fully admit the voices in his head were demons and thus he needs to stop listening to them.. he previously seems to have actually thought they were al-Qaida hacking his cia mind implant. we had a friendly 2 hour long conversation about everything from gold frankinsense and myrr is not money opium and cocaine.. to God the father is not his actual earthly dad. yes the dude would call his dad, instead of praying to God. he was that confused. I didn't feel led to cast the demons out at the time.

 

[the_nazarene]

If you have more fellowship questions, ask away.

Thank you.

 

[ARBITER01]

I edited the small section on fasting in post 48.

The Greek scripture method of anointing your head first then washing your face seems to have greater results than the Syriac scripture version in my opinion.

 

[ARBITER01]

I noticed that I never discussed the binding and loosing method here, and it is directly related to spiritual warfare, so I'll copy over and update the material I had in another thread.

 

[ARBITER01]

The mentioning of the binding and loosing method is found in two places of scripture. The first place is in Matthew 16,...


Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 16:20 Then charged he the disciples that they should tell no man that he was the Christ


Here the concept is associated with the keys of the kingdom of heaven from Jesus. This makes perfect sense since it is an authority being given unto the believer from The Lord. This authority is part of Jesus building His church.

The second mention of it is found over in Matthew 18,...


Mat 18:15 And if thy brother sin against thee, go, shew him his fault between thee and him alone: if he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he hear thee not, take with thee one or two more, that at the mouth of two witnesses or three every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, What things soever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and what things soever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, that if two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter, and said to him, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? until seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times; but, Until seventy times seven.


Here the passage is not associated with the surrounding text and it's subject. In fact, I believe it was not originally part of this portion of the text. If I remove this section from chapter 18, the surrounding text agrees better with itself,....


Mat 18:15 And if thy brother sin against thee, go, shew him his fault between thee and him alone: if he hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he hear thee not, take with thee one or two more, that at the mouth of two witnesses or three every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he refuse to hear them, tell it unto the church: and if he refuse to hear the church also, let him be unto thee as the Gentile and the publican.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter, and said to him, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? until seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times; but, Until seventy times seven.


Anyways, the section I will be using for discussion is the section of chapter16 since it makes the most sense with it's surrounding text.

 

[ARBITER01]

Ok,.... why is binding and loosing important in Christianity?

Well, I submit it was the way that Jesus removed evil spirits from people. Jesus made this statement,...


Mat 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the dumb man spake and saw.
Mat 12:23 And all the multitudes were amazed, and said, Is this the son of David?
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This man doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And knowing their thoughts he said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 and if Satan casteth out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.
Mat 12:29 Or how can one enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.


What started this was the casting out of an evil spirit from a possessed man, which was considered a healing in the text. Jesus then makes the mention of binding the strong man first to then spoil the house, or in other words, remove him. He makes the mention of this in direct relation to the casting out of that evil spirit.

So how is this done??? How is an evil spirit bound to remove him/it??

The text doesn't explain it here, but there is another section of text in scripture that does make mention of binding, and it is over in Matthew 16 and 18,...


Mat 16:19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth shall be loosed in heaven.


I submit that this portion of the gospel account is affiliated with the binding of the strong man. This was the way they were commanded out by Jesus. Now do we have an example of this? We have a partial example of this,...


Luk 13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath day.
Luk 13:11 And behold, a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years; and she was bowed together, and could in no wise lift herself up.
Luk 13:12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her, and said to her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
Luk 13:13 And he laid his hands upon her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.


Jesus commanded the evil spirit away by stating that she was loosed from it and it's affects upon her. From what I can tell from the text, this evil spirit was not possessing her, it was somehow around or attached to her and causing her disease and injury and affliction, and Jesus removed it from her by using the loosing portion of the binding and loosing method He mentioned. It seems that not every evil spirit requires to be bound first.


Again, I submit that the binding and loosing method was the method that Jesus used to remove evil spirits.

 

[ARBITER01]

Is binding and loosing only for evil spirits??

No,...

Mat 16:19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth shall be loosed in heaven.

I've found that it has many uses beyond just evil spirits,...

Additional uses of binding and loosing (As needed):
- Removal of any addictions/withdraws from a person’s life
- Removal of lustfulness/sexual desire from a person’s life
- Removal of Hypnotism/mind tricks from a person’s life
- Removal of false love from a person’s life
- Removal of lies from a person's life

 

[ARBITER01]

Over 7,000 views on this subject,... that's pretty good! I guess there are some people out there who need to know.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Over 7,000 views on this subject,... that's pretty good! I guess there are some people out there who need to know.

This is always a good topic to discuss. God bless.