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Tim Walz falsely claims misinformation and hate speech are not protected by the First Amendment

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Bradskii

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You mean like labeling someone as a racist and then discriminating against them or harassing them based on the label you applied to them?
This is becoming confusing...

If someone says or does something that you consider to be racist, shouold you be allowed to call them out on that?
 
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This is becoming confusing...

If someone says or does something that you consider to be racist, shouold you be allowed to call them out on that?
Not if the laws being advocated by some for the legalization against hate speech are put in place. Calling someone a racist is being judgemental and unkind. Plus, attacking people with that kind of label shouldn't be done, should it? Do you think people should be attacked?
 
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Not if the laws being advocated by some for the legalization against hate speech are put in place. Calling someone a racist is being judgemental and unkind. Plus, attacking people with that kind of label shouldn't be done, should it? Do you think people should be attacked?
I'm not talking about the laws. It was a genuine question about what you think. The matter has become confused. I'm looking for some clarity. This is not a gotcha. I want to know what your position is. If someone says or does something that you consider to be racist, should you be allowed to call them out on that?
 
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I'm not talking about the laws. It was a genuine question about what you think. The matter has become confused. I'm looking for some clarity. This is not a gotcha. I want to know what your position is. If someone says or does something that you consider to be racist, should you be allowed to call them out on that?
Depends on what you mean by "call them out". If you're referring to the idea of simply having a discussion with the person because you believe they are saying something that is racist, then sure. But if you mean simply responding to people you don't agree with by saying "you're a racist", and then telling them that if they deny that they are racist, then it is proof they are racist, then that's not helpful at all. That sort of thing is only meant to end a discussion and silence people you don't agree with.
 
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Depends on what you mean by "call them out". If you're referring to the idea of simply having a discussion with the person because you believe they are saying something that is racist, then sure. But if you mean simply responding to people you don't agree with by saying "you're a racist", and then telling them that if they deny that they are racist, then it is proof they are racist, then that's not helpful at all. That sort of thing is only meant to end a discussion and silence people you don't agree with.
So you wouldn't want someone to suggest that you should be charged for accusing someone of being racist. That's all I wanted to know.
 
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So you wouldn't want someone to suggest that you should be charged for accusing someone of being racist. That's all I wanted to know.
So your question wasn't quite as genuine as you claimed it was.
 
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So your question wasn't quite as genuine as you claimed it was.
It really wasn't a gotcha. I tried to word it as accurately as I could. You gave a reasonable answer. Don't be so paranoid...
 
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It really wasn't a gotcha. I tried to word it as accurately as I could. You gave a reasonable answer. Don't be so paranoid...
And then you responded by claiming I said something I didn't.
 
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And then you responded by claiming I said something I didn't.
When I asked if you thought you could be allowed to say something, I wasn't talking about you mum allowing you to say it. I was obviously talking about a legal restriction. It was an honest question. Treat as you will.
 
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One thing "they" have learned is that once someone labels them as a racist, there's no convincing their accuser otherwise. Your post is an example.
Just don’t say racist things. It’s easy. The best piece of advice I ever got growing up was “no matter how much you want to don’t ever do a murder or say something racist; you can’t put that genie back it the bottle”.

Wise words, indeed.
 
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So you think whether someone can speak freely or not is dependent on how others vote?
Sounds like 2 foxes and a hen voting on what's for Dinner.
Not at all. It’s two hen voting and a fox voting on what’s for dinner. As in society today there are fewer racists in the equation.

Unlike in the Jim Crow era.
 
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You mean like labeling someone as a racist and then discriminating against them or harassing them based on the label you applied to them?
Exactly! The would be facing legal consequences like any other law breaker.

Don’t you want to punish law breakers?
 
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Do you think people should be attacked?
Well yes. They are law breakers and need to be punished. Just like those no good dope smokers; they broke the law and society needs to be protected from them.
 
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What does protected classes have to do with causing harm to a person?
I’m sorry I really can’t believe you can’t see that using hate speech aimed at a protected class breaks the law.

It’s literally in print on your screen. So I’m going to go ahead and stop talking to you and enjoy the rest of my morning.
 
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Only the people engaging in legally defined hate speech and lies get silenced.

Why do you want to be able to engage in hate speech and lies? I just don’t get why you stan for hate speech and lies?
The problem is that many liberals define any speech that doesn’t agree with them as misinformation therefore silence the political opposition and problem solved.
 
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The problem is that many liberals define any speech that doesn’t agree with them as misinformation therefore silence the political opposition and problem solved.
Hate speech is legally defined so you can't just label something as hate speech anymore than you can just label something communism.
 
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Hate speech is legally defined so you can't just label something as hate speech anymore than you can just label something communism.
Note I referred to misinformation you referred to to hate speech, two entirely different things. Yes I do recognize communism when it rears its ugly head.
 
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Note I referred to misinformation you referred to to hate speech, two entirely different things. Yes I do recognize communism when it rears its ugly head.
Lies are legally defined so you can't just label something as lies anymore than you can just label something communism.
 
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Lies are legally defined so you can't just label something as lies anymore than you can just label something communism.
Kamala’s proposed price controls are communistic! See how easy that was! Untruths are lies and Walz absolutely lied about his military service. We thank him for his service and call him out for lies about that service.
 
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