Church gave us the Bible

[George95]

What have been your thoughts and peoples reply when they hear that the Church gave us the Bible?

 

[jas3]

What have been your thoughts and peoples reply when they hear that the Church gave us the Bible?

For myself, learning about the development of the canon of Scripture and its transmission through the Church was truly eye-opening. It was one of the first steps pushing me toward traditional Christianity.

Some people with whom I've discussed the topic are receptive and are now highly critical of the removal of deuterocanonical books that happened after the Protestant Reformation. Others are disinterested. I have never run into outright denial of the facts though except in online interactions.

 

[George95]

For myself, learning about the development of the canon of Scripture and its transmission through the Church was truly eye-opening. It was one of the first steps pushing me toward traditional Christianity.

Some people with whom I've discussed the topic are receptive and are now highly critical of the removal of deuterocanonical books that happened after the Protestant Reformation. Others are disinterested. I have never run into outright denial of the facts though except in online interactions.

If you ever get the chance to pick up an Orthodox Study Bible, it’s a really great look into books not found within the Protestant Bible.

 

[jas3]

If you ever get the chance to pick up an Orthodox Study Bible, it’s a really great look into books not found within the Protestant Bible.

That's actually the version I use for my regular reading. It's a beautiful Bible with edifying iconography and commentary, and it's my top recommendation when anyone asks me which version I recommend.

 

[Servus]

It seems to sometimes come out as the church created the bible. And really seems to mostly or only be an issue regarding church dogma and traditions that are not really found within the bible.

There seems to be the idea that since the church had the authority and wherewithal to compile the bible, anything the church has instituted over the centuries carries the same validity as what's in the bible, even if, or perhaps even especially, if it's not found in the bible - more specifically in the new testament.

 

[okay]

If you ever get the chance to pick up an Orthodox Study Bible, it’s a really great look into books not found within the Protestant Bible.

That's actually the version I use for my regular reading. It's a beautiful Bible with edifying iconography and commentary, and it's my top recommendation when anyone asks me which version I recommend.

Are there a specific ones you would recommend? This sounds fascinating to me.

 

[jas3]

Are there a specific ones you would recommend? This sounds fascinating to me.

Of the Orthodox Study Bible? There's only one, although it's published in a few different versions with different covers and (I think) different front matter.

This is the particular version I have: The Orthodox Study Bible, Ancient Faith Edition, Hardcover: Ancient Christianity Speaks to Today’s World

 

[Clare73]

What have been your thoughts and peoples reply when they hear that the Church gave us the Bible?

My first thought is that the church did not "give" it to us, rather the church recognized it.

The Holy Spirit indwelt the early Christians as he does all the born again.

That indwelling enabled them to discern the true word of God from simply man's word.

And I agree with their decision.

For all but one of the books of the Apocrypha, there is to me a tremendous difference in the "quality" and "style" of the texts, compared to the Canon.

Read the whole Bible first, excluding the Apocrypha, and then read the Apocrypha, and I think you'll see the difference.

 

[Ignatius the Hermit]

If you ever get the chance to pick up an Orthodox Study Bible, it’s a really great look into books not found within the Protestant Bible.

I couldn’t agree more! It is very useful and truly helps you build a better prayer life and the notes are easy to understand and quite authoritative in developing your faith. Plus the icons displayed are glorious.

 

[JM]

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Ontologically the Word has always existed and birthed the Church.

God be praised,

JM

 

[BNR32FAN]

What have been your thoughts and peoples reply when they hear that the Church gave us the Bible?

Typically the only people who have a problem with it are the people who don’t recognize the church’s teachings along with the teachings of the scriptures.

 

[dzheremi]

I mean, I'm Orthodox, and from the particular church whose 20th Pope (HH St. Athanasius the Apostolic) gave the world the earliest extant list of the canon that most of the world would come to recognize in subsequent years, so I can't say I've ever encountered any resistance to this idea in Church. Outside of it, though, like on here, sometimes there is resistance. It's usually from people who have ultimately ahistorical and untenable ideas about the canon (such as there being only one, or that one is "correct" and the others "incorrect"), so I don't really take their objections seriously, to be honest. There are too many much more important things to discuss, given the popularity of certain ancient heresies among the same groups of ahistorically-minded Christians. It's like, first let's get everything straight on Who Jesus is, then we'll deal with things like the canon and the historical reality of how it came to be.

 

[The Liturgist]

If you ever get the chance to pick up an Orthodox Study Bible, it’s a really great look into books not found within the Protestant Bible.

I have a printed and ebook form of it, but I normally use the ebook.

That said, most of the books it contains were in the original KJV, but most publishers omit that section to save costs, since only Anglicans use them. Of course, the KJV does not provide the Septuagint-based texts of the Old Testament books such as Esther, Daniel and the Psalter which are so important, in the case of Daniel and the Psalter, of specific liturgical importance.

 

[The Liturgist]

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Ontologically the Word has always existed and birthed the Church.

God be praised,

JM

The incarnate Word, as the person of Jesus Christ. The written word, the Scriptures, are collectively an icon of Christ which were created by the Holy Prophets, Apostles and Evangelists under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. However, the Church has always existed, as the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians, entire), even before anyone had been grafted onto it.

 

[JM]

The incarnate Word, as the person of Jesus Christ. The written word, the Scriptures, are collectively an icon of Christ which were created by the Holy Prophets, Apostles and Evangelists under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. However, the Church has always existed, as the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians, entire), even before anyone had been grafted onto it.

I understand our disagreements.

 

[JM]

I have a printed and ebook form of it, but I normally use the ebook.

That said, most of the books it contains were in the original KJV, but most publishers omit that section to save costs, since only Anglicans use them. Of course, the KJV does not provide the Septuagint-based texts of the Old Testament books such as Esther, Daniel and the Psalter which are so important, in the case of Daniel and the Psalter, of specific liturgical importance.

Augsburg catholics place the second canon in a single volume study edition which includes:

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[trophy33]

No church gave us "the" Bible.

The Old Testament books were in use long before any church. The Septuagint "canon" (not literally) was created by Hellenistic Jews. The later narrower Jewish canon was made by another group of Jews.

The New Testament books were slowly incorporated into church service as they were being incrementally adopted in various independent local churches.

It was a diverse process leading to diverse Bibles. There is no "the Bible" and no "the church", in this context.

 

[The Liturgist]

Augsburg catholics place the second canon in a single volume study edition which includes:

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Yours in the Lord,

jm

Very nice.

 

[The Liturgist]

No church gave us "the" Bible.

The Old Testament books were in use long before any church. The Septuagint "canon" (not literally) was created by Hellenistic Jews. The later narrower Jewish canon was made by another group of Jews.

The New Testament books were slowly incorporated into church service as they were being incrementally adopted in various independent local churches.

It was a diverse process leading to diverse Bibles. There is no "the Bible" and no "the church", in this context.

Have you read the Statement of Purpose for this forum? Because this is Traditional Theology.

 

[trophy33]

Have you read the Statement of Purpose for this forum? Because this is Traditional Theology.

I am not sure how it is related to historical facts like different traditions or that the Old Testament existed before any church.